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legendary
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July 06, 2018, 09:24:53 AM
#26
I think bitcointalkcourses is too long. I'm also a fan of .coms. If Theymos wants a domain name, I'll hve a look to see what I've got, or I can look for one.

The other alternative is to use a subdomain like courses.bitcointalk.org. If you do that, then make sure you pick up the name without the dot to avoid it getting into scammers control.
staff
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July 06, 2018, 09:18:33 AM
#25
- Open a full contest of teachers in here, as well as the new board (maybe can be restricted, I don't know, maybe global, for there are also good newbies in here).

theymos likely has some decent contacts outside of the forum which would be willing to contribute, and write some of the content. Some well respected ones at that. Not all of them are here on the forum anymore unfortunately. I'm not sure what you mean by contest, however its likely not the best option. What would be better is if anyone has an interest in writing some of the content or contributing other ways such as proof reading they could contact theymos privately, and he could then approach these users if he deems them capable. If we introduce a contest where people can vote etc then I fear the it would just turn into a popularity contest, and not who is the best option. In fact, theymos could probably draw up some questions or ask the applicant to demonstrate how they would explain certain aspects. By this he should be able to gauge the technical ability, and knowledge of the user. Maybe, he could pass the responsibility of this onto some of the mods that are knowledgeable in the specific subject. For example,  achow for subjects relating to Bitcoin.
 
What happens with the shitposters? Well, if someone just inscribes into a course and don't make their best, then they will remain in here as trainee forever, and it is going to be as remaining as newbie forever, so they need to try harder.

I don't think implementing another restriction via requiring users to take a course in order to rank up is the best idea. The merit system is already in place for doing just that. Courses should be optional, and have no bearing on rank. Instead, you get a cool badge to display that you've successfully completed a course!

However, having said that there's been talks about requiring a user to complete a mini quiz to complete registration. I guess that might be able to tie into this idea, possibility.
legendary
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July 06, 2018, 08:55:48 AM
#24
What a beautiful idea, even if it doesn't help those who are not willing to learn, there are others (included me) that will appreciate this. Some basics:

- The domain  Bitcointalkcourses.org is not taken. Maybe to create a website (official) it the best way to manage this.
- We can create a board in which the contents of the courses are divided and everyone can participate in a thread, for instance, in order to generate a good article about a specific theme, once the article is approved, then determinate people can shape it and upload the approved content into the website. This board needs to have some rewards, of course, in order for the people to try their best. Also, the users that created the thread will have some recognition in the course's website.
- If you want to take a course, you will need to use your same account name, it is important due to the next point:
- We can implement a system  of achievements, and organize the courses step by step, with a final trivia, for those who achieve a complete course, we can implement here in the forum a tool that shows it, for instance (trainee, first level, second level, tech expert, graduate, bitcoin genius...), it can be under the actual rank of the user, for instance: Newbie/trainee  /Newbie graduated/ Hero/teacher...and it will help the people to rank-up, in case they achieve the graduate level, for instance, and as well as their participation in here is a good quality one, he can rank-up, I don't know, to full member as much, maybe. It will encourage the people to participate and, probably, help the forum to, at least, knowing who has made the effort and who doesn't.

In order to make this a reality, I think the best path can be:
- Buying the domain, and making it look pleasant, nice.
- Open a full contest of teachers in here, as well as the new board (maybe can be restricted, I don't know, maybe global, for there are also good newbies in here).
- Organizing the web by themes and achievements, and launching contests or information in here, once a course is completed, we can make an official announcement in the forum and encourage the people to take that one.

I do believe that the system of achievements and titles can really encourage the people to be a part of this. Also, if, by learning, they will change something in their profile information, as described, it probably will be a success.
What happens with the shitposters? Well, if someone just inscribes into a course and don't make their best, then they will remain in here as trainee forever, and it is going to be as remaining as newbie forever, so they need to try harder.

A practical example:

I am a Newbie, and I decide to take an English course at the Bitcointalkcourses.org, so in my profile, once I'm inscribed, it will appear something like this: "English trainee" on my BT profile. Once I get my first grade (lets say we can manage 5 grades of English), in my profile will appear: English level 1!!
Suddlenly, I decide to take the course of "Basic programmation", so it will appear in my profile: Basic Prorgammer trainee, and then, once achieved, it will change to "Basic programmer".
By taking a look at my profile, the people will know that I'm trying my best, so I try to take as many courses as I can.
Once completed all the levels, for instance in my profile will appear: English graduated, or English genius, if we want this to be a little funnier.

That's just an idea. My girsfriend teachs in the university and she's standing by my side know telling me what to write  Cool
staff
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July 06, 2018, 08:38:14 AM
#23
I like the ambition that you are showing at the very least. I don't see this being implemented any time soon unless, there's an open source software already out there that is suitable then this is likely going to need a bit of investment, and time to not only make the content, but the software also. Besides that I'll encourage any type of content creation which will help better others peoples judgment/knowledge on Bitcoin, and this forum.

Consider drawing up a wire frame, and presenting it here. Possibility, we could then have a little more insight, and add to it. Fundamentally, the idea is a good one. Also, how are you going to deal with course details/answers being leaked? I'm assuming that these would have to be changed frequently to avoid this issue.

I'm guessing your going to be the one overseeing this? Haven't you got got enough on your plate already? Tongue

But if courses are only written by trusted & competent people after significant mod review, then only a limited number of courses could be created, and they'd probably quickly become outdated. Perhaps it'd work to do a github-style pull-request format led by some trustworthy editors. (Github could even be used, though that's pretty difficult to use for people not already familiar with git.) Quite like the idea of the forum etiquette, and possibly going into depth on the ins, and outs of the forum.
You've probably got the contacts, and the drive in order to get the most competent people. Even, if it's to initially write the content up, and then using a pull request system to keep things up to date. I don't think it will be a problem for you to contact some of the people who are specialists in the areas that you want. However, they might be able to provide the knowledge, but putting that into an itinerary, and course format might not be the strongest area. You'll likely need to draft in several people for one course where they all provide different inputs.

I think getting the foundations down is going to be the priority. I think you might agree that updating it should not be as difficult as the initial content in terms of updating the content itself. Finding the people capable, and willing to do this could be a little more difficult. However, I think we have more than enough able, and committed members to update topics on Bitcoin, and the forum.

Simple. Editing privileges should only be given to mods or sepcific trustworthy people. The people who write the articles/courses can't edit it but can always update the mods with new information which can be cross checked. Or before the content is published, post it before hand, discuss with the community and confirm the changes and then do what'd be the best.
Mods shouldn't have automatic editing privileges. Of course, if they have the skills, and knowledge then sure. Initially, I think selecting a few "experts" or those capable of creating the content would be the better choice. Then finding a few users who can transfer this into a course structure. Finally, allowing pull requests as mentioned by Github to allow for editing/correcting mistakes.  

And maybe to make this a little more interesting, maybe the writers of these courses could be paid? They could be given custom titles. And more perks? And how about having a secret board only for content writers, they could discuss among themselves and could help correcting the content,everytime the answers can't be right because the internet is that badly screwed.
theymos, I would love to help people out with the courses. I already have a thread for self-teaching people about bitcoin, and a few people have learned a lot of new stuff, including me. So, if at all anything is required, I am there to help out.
A custom title should suffice. Something along the lines of "Content creator". I have no qualms of paying the writers either as this is a fairly ambitions project. However, I would be interested in how many people would voluntarily be willing to do this. Especially, considering the limited amount of people who are able to create worthy content, and discuss in depth, and at the same time convey the information clearly.

Especially, in terms of Bitcoin, and the technology behind it.

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Introductory cryptocurrency investing

It's already misleading people. Cryptocurrencies are not supposed to be an investment and a speculative asset. This is not the ideology of the cryptocurrency. Otherwise, I should be super rich already.
If you're specifically referring to ICOs, then it should not be called cryptocurrency most of the time. A lot of them don't have any product, or don't use anything using the cryptography
Why is this misleading? Cryptocurrency is what you make of it. Whether, you are investing in it for short term gain, and with the ultimate goal of withdrawing, and transferring that back into fiat or your goal is to use Bitcoin as a currency. They are both investments. Plus, investments don't mean a guaranteed profit so it doesn't mean that you would be rich already. I feel for the person that has to write up the investment course, though. Quite a tough subject to tackle that one.
I like the idea a lot. The challenge as I see it is less in creating the content, however, and more in getting people to use it.

Of the topics you've listed a number of them already have guide threads stickied in various places. People don't read them.

Having said that, if we are looking at this not just as a way of improving the forum, but also as a way of improving the entire crypto community, it's a great idea.
You'll be surprised how many people will be willing to do it just to get a badge on their profile. That's enough of an incentive for them alone, and of course they pick up some knowledge on the way, and hopefully put that into practice. It's exactly why sticky threads aren't looked at or adhered by. They don't really offer any real incentive to those that read it other than gaining knowledge, and following etiquette. It doesn't mean that offering an incentive via badges would get them to intake the information they are going through, unless you have to demonstrate what you've learned in the course via a quiz or something along those lines.


1 I do not advertise the mentioned above website, I just want to share my experience with you. If you feel that is not acceptable,I'll just delete my post.

2 With "free" I mean you have access almost all the courses and at the end you can decide by yourself if you want to pay for certificate or not. There are some professional courses where you have to pay to enroll like this one, but still it is a good opportunity.


Edx is something we should be looking to emulate. However, I quite like the idea of this Bitcoin forum being the forefather for information about Bitcoin, and therefore hosting it via this site would be the best option. I've used Edx, and in fact a few universities actually recommend it, however I don't think they have a platform that can hosted elsewhere, and tied into here on the forum.
copper member
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July 06, 2018, 07:33:48 AM
#22
The idea itself is looking good however when you mention


Quote
Introductory cryptocurrency investing

It's already misleading people. Cryptocurrencies are not supposed to be an investment and a speculative asset. This is not the ideology of the cryptocurrency. Otherwise, I should be super rich already.
If you're specifically referring to ICOs, then it should not be called cryptocurrency most of the time. A lot of them don't have any product, or don't use anything using the cryptography
legendary
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July 06, 2018, 07:19:43 AM
#21
Some different/modified software would be needed. The existing threads structure is not at all suitable. Neither are wiki pages, since they're too easily messed-with. Maybe some suitable online-course software already exists. It'd be cool if the courses were internally gamified a bit, maybe with "achievements" and stuff. And it could be integrated with the main forum, eg. giving you badges on your profile if you completed a course.
Have you contacted slickage for ideas on this? Aren't they designing the new forum and they only helped with the merit source issues. They would have better ideas than anyone else because they have more experience on softwares.

A real challenge, which I'm not exactly sure how to solve, would be to keep them up-to-date, accurate, and unbiased. 99.9% of introductory cryptocurrency info on the Internet is basically an advertisement for something, and therefore not very useful. If anyone could create a course and publish it on equal standing with the other courses, then we'd end up with a huge pile of altcoin-pump courses, "how to make money using totally-safe HYIPs", and stuff like that. But if courses are only written by trusted & competent people after significant mod review, then only a limited number of courses could be created, and they'd probably quickly become outdated. Perhaps it'd work to do a github-style pull-request format led by some trustworthy editors. (Github could even be used, though that's pretty difficult to use for people not already familiar with git.)
Simple. Editing privileges should only be given to mods or sepcific trustworthy people. The people who write the articles/courses can't edit it but can always update the mods with new information which can be cross checked. Or before the content is published, post it before hand, discuss with the community and confirm the changes and then do what'd be the best.

And maybe to make this a little more interesting, maybe the writers of these courses could be paid? They could be given custom titles. And more perks? And how about having a secret board only for content writers, they could discuss among themselves and could help correcting the content,everytime the answers can't be right because the internet is that badly screwed.
theymos, I would love to help people out with the courses. I already have a thread for self-teaching people about bitcoin, and a few people have learned a lot of new stuff, including me. So, if at all anything is required, I am there to help out.
legendary
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July 06, 2018, 07:06:37 AM
#20
There are plenty of free platforms online for creating and sharing courses - Udemy, Teachable, Google Open Education, etc. The challenge will be to integrate the platform with the forum - I doubt any existing software would offer this functionality.

Maybe Quickseller's suggestion of PowerPoint style courses would be more easy to integrate?
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July 06, 2018, 04:03:30 AM
#19
The gamified structure of the education about cryptocurrencies would really help boost the number of possible users to be there. The entertainment approach is typically the ones that people like and do (based on experience). The trust-building network should really be strict and know that it would only be quality content courses. Probably some of the people that would make their own can submit their approach and then evaluate.

My thoughts would be:
  • Games/Trivia - There could be a trivia like people would join and participate every related thing/lesson to bitcoin and just answer. It's like a game show that features the bitcointalk and every established member with the highest achievement
  • Masterclass - the approach of a masterclass that it is separated into lessons and exercises would need to be submitted and evaluate if the student is learning or not.
  • Basic work - The part of the making money online. Provide simple objectives like Encoding an excel, latest news (with sources), research, etc.
  • Building Connections - we all have different ways on connecting with other people, probably there could be a way to integrate our real life to help mutually benefit each other towards a personal goal or something.
legendary
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July 06, 2018, 03:55:25 AM
#18
@Theymos

You are welcome to copy and use any of the content in any of my projects if you think they will help Bitcoin Talk.
I've got a partial list on this page - http://talkmerit.com/projects/

The Onkly project ( core node and mining experiments) is inchoate, and I haven't completed the introductory page yet. I'm quite excited by this one, as it will help me to decide if I should create a new coin.
legendary
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July 06, 2018, 03:43:34 AM
#17
My initial reaction is along the lines of "Wow, massively ambitious, good luck with that".

As you raise this structural problem regarding the current forum format, it has to be asked whether the new forum software could be more suitable for this?
Could there be a way of getting something up and running by using the current resources, i.e. authoritative existing posts, collected together by some mechanism (maybe a use for the merit system?) into something akin to a dynamic "Read this" sticky for each sub forum?
Just a couple of thoughts.
jr. member
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July 06, 2018, 03:23:15 AM
#16
Here is how this can be achieved on this forum :

1) Creating a section here where members can add such information under various headings. They can be encouraged with merits or some monetary rewards.

2) Having some strict measures to deal with spam in that section.

3) Regarding having course related to "Make money online", you should reconsider that as it will dilute the forum in my opinion.
legendary
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July 06, 2018, 02:58:28 AM
#15
Some different/modified software would be needed. The existing threads structure is not at all suitable. Neither are wiki pages, since they're too easily messed-with. Maybe some suitable online-course software already exists. It'd be cool if the courses were internally gamified a bit, maybe with "achievements" and stuff. And it could be integrated with the main forum, eg. giving you badges on your profile if you completed a course.
Would it still be on this same domain, with the same login? I would prefer that.

The benefits of this should be obvious, and completion of this course could be used as a way to reduce the duration of some bans.
I like it! Give shitposters a chance to redeem themselves, making an effort instead of just dumb spamming.


I'm offering my help in creating or proofreading parts of the courses.
legendary
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July 06, 2018, 02:22:45 AM
#14
Exactly this is a great idea. Since I have joined this forum I work always fight against scammer and spammers. Of curse some members have created some guidelines but it wasn't focused as well. Those thing you are pointed here exactly I was looking for that. Specially newcomer and who have not much idea about crypto it will be most helpful for them. Introductory cryptocurrency investing is more important for now. Because many people are getting scamed by investing. So if your idea implement then it will be very helpful.
Anyway here is many members know about software you need. They might be help about that. Just need to be verify. Hope your idea will be implemented.
copper member
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July 06, 2018, 02:15:16 AM
#13
This could be done with Powerpoint-like software fairly easily once the content is created.

It would probably be beneficial to have Bitcoin-related history courses about scams, thefts and losses in Bitcoin's early days. This ideally would help people from falling into these same traps.

It might be a good idea to invest some of the forum's money into buying licenses of courses focused on teaching english, including english grammar. The benefits of this should be obvious, and completion of this course could be used as a way to reduce the duration of some bans.

It would be beneficial for adoption to have courses related to how to buy, store, and use Bitcoin from a consumer point of view. This course would go over everything from choosing an exchange to choosing wallet software to figuring out an appropriate fee to pay while at a physical store.

I am generally opposed to "investment guides" as anyone who "invests" via cryptocurrency should have near-expert level of understanding of crypto, business, and how to perform due diligence and this expertise should be obtained from multiple sources and the accuracy of said information should be independently verified.
newbie
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July 06, 2018, 02:14:05 AM
#12
Are you really expecting spammers wont take advantage? signatures are the main reason why this forum wont be as good before.Merit system is working but how about your merit sources? do you really think we have enough? do not create another spam-machine shits,give the people/users in this forum some good reason why they should keep using bitcointalk.

member
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July 06, 2018, 02:09:32 AM
#11
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Thank you for the very useful collections on books, courses, websites, @iasenko.
By the way, congratulations and it's really good to see you ranked up to Senior Member, months after the launch day of merit system.
legendary
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July 06, 2018, 01:55:01 AM
#10
Great ideas, Theymos.
I will strongly support bitcointalk online courses if you decide implementing it in the future.
Something like online courses in Coursera platform, and has different pay gates, BTC, LTC, Doge, ETH, etc. for learners.


Weeks ago, I had a idea to make a collection (an ebook, exactly), which collect main topics of the forum.
I would like to create a textbook, or guideline, anything you think a relevant name for it, I order to help forum users can learn, get ideas, skills, experiences from others, especially from available helpful topics.
Of course, forum members can do it by themselves, but they can only do this if they have Internet connections on train, buses, during vacations, etc.
It is the main reasons why I thought of creating a guideline book for off-line situation.



Nevertheless, doing this requires lots of time, and I am not sure whether this guideline will potentially violate both forum rules and copy rights.
Consequently, I didn't not make it.

Do you have any ideas or suggestions, Theymos.
If you claim that such guideline book will not violate forum rules, I gonna start doing this. Grin
legendary
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July 06, 2018, 01:48:33 AM
#9
Regarding the existing online courses I can suggest EDX1 as a platform.
Just to add here that edx is free2 platform for online education and certification provided by the world leading universities and organisations like MIT, Boston university, Linux Foundation etc.
Most of the courses are free, you pay only for certificate /world wide accepted/ if you want one.

Course: Bitcoin and Cryptocurrencies
Institution: University of California, Berkeley
Info:
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Learn the fundamentals of Bitcoin and the Cryptocurrency space, including the basics of smart contracts, the Ethereum platform and how to build decentralized applications.

Course: Blockchain: Understanding Its Uses and Implications
Institution:The Linux Foundation
Info:
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Understand exactly what a blockchain is, its impact and potential for change around the world, and analyze use cases in technology, business, and enterprise products and institutions.

Course: Blockchain and FinTech: Basics, Applications, and Limitations
Institution:University of Hong Kong Logo
Info:
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Understand the design rationale of blockchain technology, its emerging platforms and applications and uncover the limitations and the opportunities enabled by blockchain applications, particularly as it relates to finance.

 Course:Blockchain Technology
Institution:University of California, Berkeley
Info:
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Learn the fundamentals of blockchain technology and how it will power the economy of tomorrow.


1 I do not advertise the mentioned above website, I just want to share my experience with you. If you feel that is not acceptable,I'll just delete my post.

2 With "free" I mean you have access almost all the courses and at the end you can decide by yourself if you want to pay for certificate or not. There are some professional courses where you have to pay to enroll like this one, but still it is a good opportunity.

legendary
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July 06, 2018, 01:40:13 AM
#8
I do not know if the forum has the structure needed for something like that. There are thousands of other structures much better prepared.

I don’t agree with that. Many years ago, I learned how to play poker on a forum, and a made good money as a result. There are other educational forums about finances as well. I think a forum; well-structured it is an ideal place for those courses. You can have articles and videos and structure them in different levels, where you can't unlock the next level if you haven't passed the previous one.

I quite like Theymos’ idea.
legendary
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July 06, 2018, 01:26:16 AM
#7
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So if we are saying that it's best to create tools that are linked to forum accounts, but also saying that the forum is not the best medium to deliver these courses, then we need to find a platform that can support such courses and that can be linked to forum accounts.
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