IDEA for a lottery that does not depend on luck

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Quote from: criza on February 16, 2020, 10:37:06 PM

I don't think it would prosper or engaged in by a lot of people because it could be manipulated buy other parties joining the game. Lottery is gambling that's why it is very risky, now, if you take out the luck or random part in it, it would not be gambling any more but, a prediction game wherein the participants are left only with their precision in their deciding and strategy factor excluding their luck to win randomly.

I also think of the same way there wouldn't be a way for us to know if the game is rigged.
Well someone from the team could always bet before it ends and we couldn't know that they are part of the team since there would be so many gamblers.

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Well, copying is boring. Innovation is more exciting, even if it becomes a failure.

I like your fighting spirit to create something new from all of those old boring gambling games,
But OP how could we know that this isn't going to be a one sided bet?

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Quote from: Question123 on February 14, 2020, 05:52:08 PM

For your new games that you want to be create is good to research more and know the consequence of that.

Personly Im a lottery player and betting on that kind of gambling is not easy because there is a lot of combination number that it have and the chance of winning is very low but the winning prizes are very high.

You can get Idea here from the other members here about your game and how to improve it inca

actually all gambling is not that easy to win,there are some of them that may looks easy but the truth is?if we dont have luck still we cannot win.

Quote from: criza on February 16, 2020, 10:37:06 PM

I don't think it would prosper or engaged in by a lot of people because it could be manipulated buy other parties joining the game. Lottery is gambling that's why it is very risky, now, if you take out the luck or random part in it, it would not be gambling any more but, a prediction game wherein the participants are left only with their precision in their deciding and strategy factor excluding their luck to win randomly.

i am thinking about about manipulation because i see nothing if this will be created by a trusted person,but if not?then for sure manipulation will happen thats why i still believe in luck in gambling.

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I don't think it would prosper or engaged in by a lot of people because it could be manipulated buy other parties joining the game. Lottery is gambling that's why it is very risky, now, if you take out the luck or random part in it, it would not be gambling any more but, a prediction game wherein the participants are left only with their precision in their deciding and strategy factor excluding their luck to win randomly.

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Quote from: cryptoini on February 11, 2020, 10:18:41 AM

Hi everybody!

I have an idea for a new type of Bitcoin lottery.

Instead of a lottery where the winner is chosen randomly, I would like to see a lottery where the player can build some strategy to try to win the pot.

The lottery can be called "prediction lottery", let's say there is a period of time, for example, 1 week, after that period 1 player will win the jackpot. Everybody can buy a ticket for a fixed price, for example, 0.001 BTC, instead of choosing some random numbers like in most lotteries, the player makes a prediction of how much the pot is going to be at the end of the period of time. The prediction that is most close to the jackpot value, wins the lottery. Because it is more difficult to predict the pot at the beginning of the round than at the last minute, we can introduce a more expensive price of the ticket for last-minute players.

What do you think? Would you like to play a lottery such as this? What improvements or variations do you suggest?

I think having a bitcoin lottery without relying on the luck is better, especially if it requires us to do research or analyze to win the game, having a kind of new game it better for those persons that are so addicted from gambling, but the mechanics of the game that you have said is not a good thing. I wouldn't try that prediction lottery because of improper mechanics and instruction. I think that no person will put a bet for so early. They would prefer to bet closer to the end period. It is okay to buy a higher price of a ticket if I will assure myself that I have a big chance to win that prediction lottery, hence purchasing a smaller amount of ticket but is not good to win the game. But by the way, that kind of bitcoin lottery is useful if you change the mechanics' mate, try to consider the reactions of the audience, so the product of the things that you are promoting will become better. There are so many ways to make that better, think deeply, but for me, I would strongly suggest changing the mechanics of the game.

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Quote from: Lecam on February 16, 2020, 08:39:21 PM

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Lottery is a type of game that is played by guessing a number of numbers where the fewer the number of combinations of numbers we buy, the less chance of winning and vice versa if the more combination of numbers we buy, the greater the chance of victory.

Does it require luck? Yes, after buying one or more combinations of numbers then only luck will make us win. This is of course because there is no sure way to guess the numbers correctly because the determination of numbers issued randomly.

So it's not just the lottery, I think all games need luck and someone who wins the game is the lucky one. Have capital, effort, luck and they will be said to be winners and conversely, have capital, effort, have no luck then they are not people who are said to be winners and are declared as losers.

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Quote from: cryptoini on February 14, 2020, 06:50:48 AM

Well, copying is boring. Innovation is more exciting, even if it becomes a failure.

I guess before he is launching the website, he can ask some people to test the site so he can get suggestions from them, and if it is necessary, he can add more features inside the site. When he can get more tips from many people, he can make his gambling site better because he can apply for each recommendation from the people. After every step to modify or the test phase is completed, he can launch the site to the public, and if he wants, he can give a welcome bonus to every people.

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Quote from: cryptoini on February 11, 2020, 10:18:41 AM

Hi everybody!

I have an idea for a new type of Bitcoin lottery.

Instead of a lottery where the winner is chosen randomly, I would like to see a lottery where the player can build some strategy to try to win the pot.

The lottery can be called "prediction lottery", let's say there is a period of time, for example, 1 week, after that period 1 player will win the jackpot. Everybody can buy a ticket for a fixed price, for example, 0.001 BTC, instead of choosing some random numbers like in most lotteries, the player makes a prediction of how much the pot is going to be at the end of the period of time. The prediction that is most close to the jackpot value, wins the lottery. Because it is more difficult to predict the pot at the beginning of the round than at the last minute, we can introduce a more expensive price of the ticket for last-minute players.

What do you think? Would you like to play a lottery such as this? What improvements or variations do you suggest?

That is a good idea but I think this not called lottery this game is prediction. And this kind of game is need a luck also because only one can win and so we need to be predict the right answer. Every game that involves gambling is need a luck if don't have that I think gambling is not yours.

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Quote from: agustina2 on February 12, 2020, 06:45:35 PM

Quote from: Yamifoud on February 12, 2020, 05:15:31 PM

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OP called it as not depending on luck because players can put as much as bet they want especially at the endgame while the deadline is near. The strategy is to spend money as much as they can to increase the winning chances.

In other words, it is still a luck-based game lol but with a twist.

I don't see any site that becomes a success to this type of betting meaning it's not preferred by most people. OP can still continue his plan and see if it can attract some people here.

That's the way he goes...and I'm sure that this experiment never works and people never follow what OP did. Because I'd never see any attraction to what he does and we know that winning in gambling is mostly because of having luck (less strategy) and lottery needs luck IMO. And my bad experience in the lottery tells me something that is not the right place for me because luck isn't in favor of me rather than playing card games where I can apply some strategies.

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Quote from: cryptoini on February 11, 2020, 10:18:41 AM

Hi everybody!

I have an idea for a new type of Bitcoin lottery.

Instead of a lottery where the winner is chosen randomly, I would like to see a lottery where the player can build some strategy to try to win the pot.

The lottery can be called "prediction lottery", let's say there is a period of time, for example, 1 week, after that period 1 player will win the jackpot. Everybody can buy a ticket for a fixed price, for example, 0.001 BTC, instead of choosing some random numbers like in most lotteries, the player makes a prediction of how much the pot is going to be at the end of the period of time. The prediction that is most close to the jackpot value, wins the lottery. Because it is more difficult to predict the pot at the beginning of the round than at the last minute, we can introduce a more expensive price of the ticket for last-minute players.

What do you think? Would you like to play a lottery such as this? What improvements or variations do you suggest?

That is a bad idea. That can be gamed by someone who has a lot of bitcoin. Imagine you have a bunch of bitcoin all you have to do is guess the highest amount and make sure the pool gets that high using alt accounts to "buy tickets". And that's not a lottery there are those types of games and rounds everywhere

I second this. And it does not even make it fairer that the late bettors will pay more expensive tickets. It does not matter especially for whales and big time bettors whether they will be spending bigger amount for as long as they have very high probability of winning.

However, personally, I might still play this kind of lottery especially if the jackpot price is very big.

And in order to pull this bettig game off perfectly ou would need to hide the amount of bettors that had already placed their entries. Otherwise people will just be able to predict the total amount of what is in the pot. This is something that bettors don't like as it doesn't promote fairness in the game. Moreover, if you are to push hiding the amount of players who have bet, it will go back to being an RNG gambling game which defeats the purpose in itself of this gane you are creating. So I don't see this game really surviving as there are many gambling sites who can do this better, so there's no niche you're hoping to fill in the market. And that is bad as it will saturate the industry. I

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Quote from: cryptoini on February 14, 2020, 06:50:48 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on February 14, 2020, 04:01:44 AM

What do you dislike about luck games?
And why don't you just choose some other games (non-gambling) from the many already created games, but want to create a new one? Or for some reason you want to create something fundamentally new in this area?

Well, copying is boring. Innovation is more exciting, even if it becomes a failure.

Copying works well if your main goal is to make money. And I think even the fulfillment of this goal is very exciting - there are no guarantees that you will achieve it.
As for your project, I did not see much innovation. This is just a mix of luck games and games using certain skills. Maybe you should come up with something radically new.

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Quote from: cryptoini on February 11, 2020, 10:18:41 AM

Hi everybody!

I have an idea for a new type of Bitcoin lottery.

Instead of a lottery where the winner is chosen randomly, I would like to see a lottery where the player can build some strategy to try to win the pot.

The lottery can be called "prediction lottery", let's say there is a period of time, for example, 1 week, after that period 1 player will win the jackpot. Everybody can buy a ticket for a fixed price, for example, 0.001 BTC, instead of choosing some random numbers like in most lotteries, the player makes a prediction of how much the pot is going to be at the end of the period of time. The prediction that is most close to the jackpot value, wins the lottery. Because it is more difficult to predict the pot at the beginning of the round than at the last minute, we can introduce a more expensive price of the ticket for last-minute players.

What do you think? Would you like to play a lottery such as this? What improvements or variations do you suggest?

It isn't really a lottery it is more likely a prediction game but this is the first one that would depend on the pot money,
The only known prediction games are crypto price like BTC.
It is a good one but the tickets shouldn't have a number so the gamblers shouldn't have any idea on how many tickets has been sold.
I think the site should only put the informations of how many gamblers have bought a ticket but not the info about how many tickets has been sold,
For example a gambler could buy 10 or more ticket to have a high chance of winning but the site would only register it as one gambler.

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For your new games that you want to be create is good to research more and know the consequence of that.

Personly Im a lottery player and betting on that kind of gambling is not easy because there is a lot of combination number that it have and the chance of winning is very low but the winning prizes are very high.

You can get Idea here from the other members here about your game and how to improve it incase you want to be start.

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Quote from: Naida_BR on February 14, 2020, 02:10:05 PM

From when predictions are not based on luck?
The concept you are think is nothing different than luck. You just give the option to the participants to take the luck on their hands.
I don't think your Idea is going to create a new way of doing lotteries.

Yeah lol, basically any gambling will give a result of the luck factor, maybe he feels something like an expert who doesn't need luck when gambling, because even any predictions made will only produce results for a loss if you really are the one who no luck anytime when you gamble.
Does the pot you make guarantee predictions that anyone who bet will win the bet? I don't think so, someone who wins a bet will still be based on their luck.

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From when predictions are not based on luck?
The concept you are think is nothing different than luck. You just give the option to the participants to take the luck on their hands.
I don't think your Idea is going to create a new way of doing lotteries.

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Quote from: imstillthebest on February 14, 2020, 07:48:17 AM

Quote from: cryptoini on February 14, 2020, 06:50:48 AM

Well, copying is boring. Innovation is more exciting, even if it becomes a failure.

with the growing industry of gambling , many new sites are popping up with limited ideas but most of them just copy and slightly modify the other . that is why they fail too easy because they lack of originality . its alway a good idea if you came up with something original and its okay if itl fail but atleast its original . besides there are still a room for improvement . just include beta on your site if your not done with the improvement and people will understand that .

We cant blame those creator of new gambling site even some of them are not reliable or untrustworthy even some of them they create it intentionally just to get something from us. So we must be very careful, but we dont need to worry about that because still many gambling site are worth it, only remind that we should know how to notice the real and safe one, dont easily attract to there prices that they can give.

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Quote from: cryptoini on February 14, 2020, 06:50:48 AM

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Quote from: cryptoini on February 13, 2020, 03:03:28 PM

Thanks for all the comments and feedback. At least the post opened an interesting discussion.

I've been myself player of dice, poker and other games. I am just trying to create something different and that depends more on strategy and skill rather than in luck.
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What do you dislike about luck games?
And why don't you just choose some other games (non-gambling) from the many already created games, but want to create a new one? Or for some reason you want to create something fundamentally new in this area?

Well, copying is boring. Innovation is more exciting, even if it becomes a failure.

with the growing industry of gambling , many new sites are popping up with limited ideas but most of them just copy and slightly modify the other . that is why they fail too easy because they lack of originality . its alway a good idea if you came up with something original and its okay if itl fail but atleast its original . besides there are still a room for improvement . just include beta on your site if your not done with the improvement and people will understand that .

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This feels like a wagering competition since it all comes down to whoever is able to snipe the final ticket. Like the others mentioned luck is still a factor but imo a lottery game would be more favorable to those who don't spend too much since they still have a shot at winning even though it's very unlikely while on this game whoever bets the earliest is likely to lose.

If certain rules are added it could be fair like having a weighted system for example the last gambler predicted correctly but he doesn't win the entire pot so that the game could still look appealing.

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Good pitch but this is more like a prediction game than a lottery.

Lottery really includes luck, you can't separate those two. I think you want to minimize the risk into this game that is why you are finding a way to remove the game from being luck dependable. If you will stick to predictions, maybe you can just create a puzzle or a question and pick the correct answers to the people who answered correctly. Since you want a 7-day long game, you could just eliminate those who answered wrong and on the last day, the ones who remain wins.

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Quote from: KTChampions on February 14, 2020, 04:01:44 AM

Quote from: cryptoini on February 13, 2020, 03:03:28 PM

Thanks for all the comments and feedback. At least the post opened an interesting discussion.

I've been myself player of dice, poker and other games. I am just trying to create something different and that depends more on strategy and skill rather than in luck.
~

What do you dislike about luck games?
And why don't you just choose some other games (non-gambling) from the many already created games, but want to create a new one? Or for some reason you want to create something fundamentally new in this area?

Well, copying is boring. Innovation is more exciting, even if it becomes a failure.

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Quote from: cryptoini on February 13, 2020, 03:03:28 PM

Thanks for all the comments and feedback. At least the post opened an interesting discussion.

I've been myself player of dice, poker and other games. I am just trying to create something different and that depends more on strategy and skill rather than in luck.
~

What do you dislike about luck games?
And why don't you just choose some other games (non-gambling) from the many already created games, but want to create a new one? Or for some reason you want to create something fundamentally new in this area?

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