Topic: IDEAL: no ICOs, no proof-of-work, no proof-of-stake, no governance, and no forks - page 4. (Read 6503 times)

I couldn't fit "(Satoshi's)" into the title:

Maybe I have misunderstood but it states you want no proof of work in the title of this thread?

Okay I see, that makes sense and that's perfectly legit of course. Interesting topic!

I stated these are my ideals. I didn't state that everyone must agree with my ideals.


I believe (based on my private work) Satohi's proof-of-work isn't the only kind of proof-of-work block chain possible.

You need basic proof of work to even launch a blockchain in the firstplace? 

Why do you believe that you know what is ideal? How can you be so sure of what you say?

Do you think you're (a) god?

Exactly.


You said it, not me.


Impossible because there is no project to pump. Where can it be purchased? It can't.

Btw, I answered a question.

You are a jealous troll.

Please go pump your investments in other threads and stop trolling my thread.

Certainly, in this thread you have not crucified any projects. However, in many other threads there is evidence of such. I am confident that forum members that have been paying attention can understand what I mean by that.

Yes, but you are claiming to have solved at least one of these ideals, but not revealing the solution. Meanwhile, you are tearing down other cryptocurrencies' reputations because of them. You provide no proof of you having solved these issues. Pointing out a problem is one thing, but claiming to have solved it, and any cryptocurrency that hasn't to be a "dead end" or "eternally broken", is another.

I see that you still haven't realized this since we last debated. It is a shame for a self-proclaimed genius, and "jack of all trades". You are pumping a project.... yours. Your statement:


This is a pump in and of itself. Your posts throughout the past years have been pumping a cryptocurrency... yours. You are no different than the "scammers" that you intend to crucify by written word, daily. You argue these unrealistic ideals are ideal, and that any cryptocurrency that doesn't meet them is a dead end or broken (evidenced by your statements in many other threads), then pretend like you have solved all these issues. It is on you to provide proof. If you have such ground-breaking solutions, then please reveal them. Until then, you are simply blowing hot air and spreading FUD.

Effectively, all of your attacks on any other cryptocurrency can be viewed as pumping your yet-to-be-released info-yet-to-be-published super-duper-awesome coin that solves all of cryptocurrencies' existing problems.

Yet, you claim them as being "must haves", and attack any other cryptocurrency that can't solve your unsolvable problems. Again, as evidenced in many other threads and posts of yours.

You do not implicitly state it in this thread, but you imply it... which has the same effect as explicitly stating it. Not to mention all the other threads where you explicitly argue these principals.

You mean Nubits? That is because Bitshares' Smartcoins are a better design than Nubits. That is evidenced by Nubits' recent crash and burn. Nubits are worth $0.22 now, meanwhile bitUSD is worth $1.06. bitUSD, after two years of trading, has more closely tracked the value of the US dollar than Nubits. Please, enlighten me how I was wrong? The evidence (market data history) proves that my claims were correct.

This thread is simply a microcosm of your previous posts/threads trolling other cryptocurrencies. Considering the body of evidence, evaluating this thread without considering all your other posts/threads would be silly.

You always complain about "character assassination" while performing character assination yourself. Pot meet kettle.



Remember, it is on you to prove that you have solved the unsolvable. Until then, you are simply blowing hot air and spreading FUD.

Don't tell me the current Satoshi proof-of-work is any where near a fair, competitive free market distribution scheme:


So we pay $600 per BTC, and 21 Inc. will pay $8.

I added that after writing the OP, based on learning that one way to manipulate the coin's price and market cap is to control many of tokens (such as perhaps via an ICO buying from yourself as the issuer), then use margin to create more buy or sell demand.

If the distribution of the token is thought to be reasonably competitive, transparent/free market (i.e. "fair"), then I also don't see a problem with margin trading. It actually adds more information to the ecosystem.

I didn't crucify any project. I wrote these are my ideals, i.e. goals.

I did point out where existing projects don't yet accomplish these idealistic goals, which just makes facts, not crucifixion. If nothing yet meets my ideal goals, that doesn't mean I am crucifying the others.


Outlining idealistic goals and shooting to achieve them, is a win for everyone that cares and shares my vision about the value and idealistic outlook for our crypto block chain ecosystem.

Perhaps you didn't realize this thread isn't pumping any projects. Just because I didn't pump your favorite investments, doesn't mean you didn't win. Unless you are just a selfish Hitler "assimilate or die" retard. I already know from your prior stalking of me, that you are 20-something guy at the university with a chip on your shoulder. Hopefully you come to maturity senses after reading this, and chillax. But something tells me your bruised tardbutt ego is going to go ballistic instead of taking this mild "for you own good' educational spanking and realize you are just acting like a jealous asshat again.


I will later prove it is achievable; thus your assumption is incorrect.

But even presuming you are correct (which you aren't), it is still okay for some of us to have idealistic R&D goals.


I did not state any where in this thread that anyone should stop their involvement in existing projects in the interim time until my goals are attained. Nor did I state they should abandon other projects and choose my idealism if ever my ideal goals were attained. Every person should decide for themself.


You used to troll other coins while trying to promote the features of Bitshares.

And I didn't troll any CCs in this thread. You are trolling my thread and attacking me. So don't be surprised by my reaction. Grow up kid.


Do you have my photo taped on your dorm room door and throw darts at it while studying?

Chillax bro and focus on making your own accomplishments. Stop stalking my coattails, because you are jealous when I have any readership. Otherwise you just waste time & effort you could apply to making your own accomplishments.

(I'd refer you to threads over the past month where I did extensive mea culpas about being wrong for harping about scams and taking strong-willed sides about which projects are worthy, but I don't think you are sincerely interested in the power of reformation and improvement)



The definition I am using was provided upthread. What you've written is not my definition. You are free to not ascribe to my definition of a fair, free market, competitively priced launch distribution. And others are free to ascribe to my ideals.


You are so sure of yourself. Cocky enough to troll your off-topic attacks. Remember how when we were teenagers and we thought our parents were stupid. And you are a 20-something "know it all" now disrespecting a 51-year computer programmer with 37 years of coding experience. It doesn't mean a 20 year old doesn't have anything useful to say. Rather it means don't go gun blazing, when you are not even not wrong, but rather off-topic. If you want to start a "I hate AnonyMint" thread, then go ahead. There is actually already such a thread about AnonyMint that got move to Reputation. Your personal attacks on me are off-topic to this thread subject.

I am going to ask you one time nicely to please not troll this thread with nonsense bickering, back and forth flame wars.

Exhibit A...

In the OP you admit that no one has been able to solve the ideals you claim as being ideal.

Then, you go on to crucify any cryptocurrency that doesn't meet these unobtainable ideals by trolling Bitcointalk.

Since no one is willing to waste as much time as you are by defending their points, you "win" by default.

Exhibit B...

Since your ideal list of cryptocurrency "must haves" is not achievable, it is akin to me saying "all cryptocurrencies should solve world hunger" or "all cryptocurrencies should have the ability to time travel".

Then, imagine that I go around trolling all cryptocurrencies that do not have these features.

That is in essence what you have been doing for the past year(s) on here.

Exhibit C...

There is no such thing as a fair cryptocurrency distribution.

What is fair to someone (for example, you) would not be considered fair by someone else (enter some random person here).

You may think you have obtained some state of enlightenment, and been able to solve the problem no one has been able to solve, but you are fooling yourself.

I cannot wait for you to release your plans for an "ideal" distribution so that I can point out all of the ways it will be considered unfair by random current and future participants.

have to add: one needs to make a distinction between a cryptocurrency (higher inflation for circulation in business) and a cryptocommodity (lower inflation for value storage with less volume in the markets and less circulation). These are two different valid money-animals in their own right. Apart from that these other (ico)toycoins and tokens shouldn't be looked at as real currency or commmodity because most will be gone in a few weeks and nobody can remember them.

Bitcoin isn't a currency; it's a commodity btw.

The community really needs to discuss what makes a coin a valid money and what properties and requirements and also priorities money has. This crypto-thing is about value store and medium of exchange; it's not about "innovation going nowhere", "adding more features", "good marketing and roadmap" and "littering the landscape with abandoned projects"

Please make crypto great already! No more ponzi-presale-scams! Fuck overrating of innovation - it's broken 'innovation' in 99,99% of cases (aka 'no innovation at all')

Ultimately a simple, resilient, viable and fair coin is to prefer to a complex, hyped, new and broken coin for the longterm investors.  People need to use the brain more.
This is software based on math that needs to be secure and new tech needs vetting and auditing - and a lot of that,this is not dishwashers or radios where more features are always better and simple to roll out.  


edit: don't see a problem with margin-exchange. It just adds a little more volatility but won't affect the overall valuation of the coin. It's just more noise, no issue with that.

edit2: governance is only possible through consensus - in the literal sense of the word, not only machine-consensus; a majority vote is not that. Projects governed by 50%+1 majority votes will 100% fail in the long run. Yes, 100%.
The only way of governance is by consensus or 90% majority-votes. Why it is this way is a topic for a large article about history of mankind and money and dynamics in power aswell as observations in politics.
It's not as easy as people think. People aren't aware of the pitfalls of majority votes. They will have to fail for 10 or 20 years in these coins before understanding what some know already. Such is life

Likewise, show me where I stated you mentioned Bitshares. Likewise, it is cute how you try to change the topic. Refer to my reply to you again.

It is cute how you tried to change the topic. Please show me where in my post that I mentioned Bitshares. I will resize the text back to normal to help you out.

If you want to fork, offer a proof-of-burn. Let's each token hodler decide independently from the others. Degrees-of-freedom = freedom and decentralization. Binding us all together in one knot is politics, centralization, corruption, and failure.

We are just fools:

Thank you. May I suggest you sample all my posts, because I am trying to keep them focused and on point lately:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/iamnotback-851556

Some discussion about how ICOs may be converting altcoin investing into a criminal enterprise. Please read the following linked post:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15372116