Topic: Ideas and Thoughts for celebrating 10th Bitcointalk Anniversary in Indian board (Read 1129 times)

A couple of people requested that I provide some stats on the poll voters here. I am generally willing to provide poll stats that are general enough not to identify individual voters. If you want actual voter lists published, then you have to warn people about this in advance.

One person specifically requested that I provide counts of voters who had at least 10 merit. 10 voters for DarkStar_ had at least 10 merit, while 8 voters for legendster had at least 10 merit. An additional stat which I came up with: Consider the amount of merit that each voter earned over the last year. The median of that stat was 82 for DarkStar_ voters, and 3 for legendster voters.

I am only providing stats; do not interpret this as me supporting anyone. I barely even know what you're voting on here.

@Rotten Egg, everyone one of us (at least who are using the Indian forum regularly) are aware that you are a well seasoned troll here for years and we do know that replying to a troll will increase the troll's power. But since, you have started making claims here and trying to create too much drama I would like to chime in.

The telegram group right now has 21 members ranging from old timer trustworthy members to newbies. Everyone of them have been part of the Indian forum for years and are the only remaining people (after the 2017-2018 pump and dump) who are non-spammy, never received a negative trust and are highly contributing to the section. We have cumulatively spoken regarding this and have selected DarkStar for being the escrow. I have invited newIndia, deadley, avikz and other trustworthy people to the group as well to make everyone available in the group. Right now only newIndia and deadley are the only old non-negative trust Indians who have still not joined the group. You are totally banned from joining the group with yourself being a self-made troll and commenting to any of your posts in future will eventually feed you to become someone like Cryptocunter/TOAA.

Regarding the escrow, pawanjain has pitched the idea to hold the funds in a wallet which can either be controlled by me or by any of the trusted escrows.
 
Here is the post for the same :


MZ, Benson, Avirunes and escrow.ms had been the only escrow as far as Indian forum was concerned. We tried to contact MZ and Benson but both of them are far from reach and apart from the above 4 people none of the Indian has expressed interest in being a escrow so far. This is why I thought any of the global escrows could do the job for holding the amount and hence I put forward the names of DarkStar_, krogothmanhattan and bl4nkcode.


But some of them without reading the topic wholly has started their claims that I have imposed DarkStar's name. Both DarkStar_ and bL4nkcode uses the Piggy's notification bot and tagging their name in any of the topic in forum will trigger a PM notification to them. DarkStar_ should have seen the notification and would have expressed his interest in escrowing the amount. There is no such "PMs or deceiving DarkStar_ to be in DT" dramas over here. You are imagining things and trying to ruin everything which is very much evident in your above posts.

@DarkStar_ we would like to apologize for the unnecessary dramas created over here by these trolls. Right from 2017 December, the Indian board has been a frog pond with too much of spammers and after 2 years of reporting by newIndia, eaLiTy and myself the board is somewhat in the reactivation state and would hopefully reach betterment next year. Trolls were very much silent till 2019 but when the board is gearing up for the betterment they have started their trolling.

---

---

The celebration topic has been created and DarkStar_ is the escrow with the results of voting. The idea was pitched by me initially and hence the celebration topic has started after many discussions. This topic will be locked by now to prevent further derailing and dramas. If any of the trolls don't like the happenings going over here create a separate  topic in Meta/Reputation and complain about me.

I don't know why Darkstar shouldn't escrow this deal and why we are insisting that the escrow be an Indian. It doesn't matter as we are not using any Indian payment and Darkstar is willing to help and is more trusted than the Indians in the poll. It's after all bitcointalk anniversary so let's celebrate it rather happily and not hold any grudges for others. It's not Indian independence that is being celebrated only by us.

I don't see why this is so much of an issue. It's not like I'm charging a few and profiting off of the India section celebrations. If you don't trust me enough, I guess the simple solution is to not participate in anything I run/escrow. I don't really care whether or not I escrow for this, it doesn't make a difference if I do it or if legendster does it. (or someone else entirely)


I know for a fact that there is a Telegram group with a bunch of Bitcointalk members from India. Just because it's off forum doesn't make their opinions invalid.

Nopes. It is not mandatory at all and I have never said such either. But, what you said to whom in Telegram or who decided what in Telegram has no relevance over here in BitcoinTalk. Historically, lot of scams have taken place in BitcoinTalk due to Telegram communication. So, we should rather be wary of Telegram usage in things related to BitcoinTalk.

First of all, the whole poll is meaningless if DS is there. Others are just no match with the trustworthiness of DS, who is entrusted by theymos to HODL a key for the forum fund. But, at the same time, this is an Indian thing, where we are not allowing non-Indian users. Hence, escrow should be Indian as well. A global celebration is already taking place in Meta run by theymos. I dont know, whether DS saw this thread and showed interest himself or some manipulative guy invited him here to complicate the process. Having seen lot of scammers before, I can somehow sense the modus operandi of a scammer. It seems, someone here wants to woo DS to be entrusted by him to get into DT2. That is when, we'll start to witness the real drama.

Apart from this, I think, the fund should be used in Speculation game only or something related to BitcoinTalk. For translation etc, translators can post their address here and donations can go directly to them. Fund creation is not required for this. This is my personal opinion though and can definitely be discarded. But, a fare discussion regarding this needs to take place on BitcoinTalk, not on Telegram.

In any case, I think, all eligible Indian should be given equal chance in the poll to hold the escrow.

Darkstar already agreed to do escrow without any fee, so I think he is best option.

Was it mandatory to post here about our opinion? I'm clear with my decision already over Telegram that I'd only prefer Darkstar_ over any other candidates here.


Well, if you're talking about DS (I believe he supports DS as well), he may choose to do it right now as he's got enough votes over any candidate here, but that wouldn't be fair and that's why he even added more candidates like deadley, vennali and newIndia to give equal chance to everyone of them to be decided as an escrow, but I believe that our local community is highly inactive and/or unknown about this as well as very limited in number so we really can't get to a result here (if you want to hire an Indian extremely over a Canadian based on the TG group guy's comments). So it's better to stop this discussion please and leave it in the hands of DS, he's clearly the best of the best amongst any escrow on this forum.

Think I have voiced my opinion on this before. Thanks for the consideration. I don't think anyone could be a better option than Darkstar_ here because unlike me, he is really trusted by many people on this forum and he has proved his mettle.

Though this is no endorsement, just my opinion which is unbiased despite him helping me in my time of need.

Thanks for putting up my name as an escrow but I don't wish to be one as it's a very responsible job. Darkstar is the best to choose.

I dont know whether the naming order can be rearranged. But, if it is, Any other active member and If anyone of you doesn't need a multisig, comment your support for whom? should be the last two options.

Also, voters need to know, how long the poll will remain active. Otherwise, OP can close it at his whim as and when he feels his choices has higher vote than others.

I think, the escrow choice through this poll should also be exclusively mentioned in the Speculation Game thread.

Correct. I think, DT represents accuracy of a person's judgment, while trust feedbacks represent how trustworthy the person is.

Voted for Darkstar since I can't see OP in the list although there is a option for that. Hey OP, why didn't you put yourself on the list? I didn't read a lot of replies though, I think you must be there. I would trust you with 1 BTC , lol
By the way, what's going to be happened.
Thanks @mic for the gift. You are a true BTC legend.

FYI DefaultTrust only refers to the accuracy of a person's judgment, and not how trustworthy they are.

Note: I'm not saying that either myself or Avirunes are untrustworthy, just that DT1 is not a measure of that.

I appreciate you supporting me for the escrow but I don't feel like I am up for it due to personal reasons and also I might go inactive at any point of time. I am cool with DarkStar_ as escrow- he is professional and experienced.

I love when someone supports me but given the situation I am not in position to fill up the shoes as an escrow.

OMG! Looks like I should not have posted anything yesterday. Since my post, first I earned a negative trust (which is now removed) and now this fight!

See, I am proposing a simple solution...

Let it be clear that all the donations for now will be used for this BitcoinTalk's 10th anniversary. So, whoever is selected as escrow, will hold funds only till the end of this event, i.e. November 22, 2019. For any further fund creation, escrow selection will take place later. No multi-sig required for this event, provided all funds are spent on BitcoinTalk's 10th anniversary celebration by November 22, 2019.

Now, DarkStar_ and Avirunes are both on DT1. Avirunes is from India, whereas DarkStar_ is from Canada. Let's first have a response from Avirunes (please dont mind DarkStar_), whether he/she wanna escrow or not. If he agrees, go with him/her. If he/she does not, go with DarkStar_, who has already agreed.

Please stop this infighting. Trust me Bitcoin aka Crypto is much more bigger than BitcoinTalk. In current trouble times, India needs unity of Crypto space.

We dont have much time left. If you guys agree with my proposal, do not post. Because, if you post, you'll start fighting again. Those who agree, just leave me me*it and we move forward together.

How did you know that Avirunes is not interested in being an escrow? And even if he was not, how did you know that Avirunes will not change his mind like you are saying that Eality would? When an Indian is sitting on DT1, why are we even looking further?

Deadly was last active today and newIndia was last active yesterday. newIndia is consistently active in India forum as well. Deadly's forum activity is 2044 and newIndia's forum activity is 1722. Let me know how exactly you are defining activity.

vennali was last active today. Given the spammy discussions, back stabbing and scam patronage that takes place in India forum for so long, one might chose to distance himself from here. Even OP was not active in Indian board a few months back and here was his excuse...


Similar to Lender, I have no issues with Eality either. But, why certain guys will be dropped because of one person's ego?

Though I think using a multi sig wallet is better when multiple people are contributing for a good cause, I do agree with the point that the amount is not so big and hence a multi sig wallet would not be necessary here. Darkstar is a reputable member and has vouched to do the escrow. Hence my vote goes to him.

That's because, Avirunes is not interested in being an escrow. Deadly and newIndia seems to be not very active in the forum discussions. vennali hasn't posted in Indian Section for a long time, to be exact, the last post is on 22 May 2019

Edit: Eality also wants to be removed from the list. But I think he'll be up for the task if he got selected 

Absolutely agreed. These people are to be added in the list. OP seems to have seen your post, but have not added any of them!

First of all, I like the idea of Speculation Games. Thanks to whoever has originally suggested it. I'm not sure about the confusion regarding escrow though, as I don't see any such discussion regarding that in this thread. In any case, it seems, I'm unable to participate in the voting process, as voting options are disabled for me!

If you guys are looking for forum escrow, here is a list to chose from - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/recommended-bitcointalk-escrow-services-2439910. But, as I can see, DarkStar_ has already showed interest and that should have already solved the problem, unless you are looking for multi-sig.

Looking at the rest of the choices in suggested escrow, it seems you guys are trying to have someone from India. In that case, I'll suggest the following names to be included in voting list...

1. deadley - Legendary - Registered on April 11, 2013 - No negative trust

2. erikalui - Legendary - Registered on July 28, 2013 - No negative trust

3. vennali - Legendary - Registered on September 26, 2013 - No negative trust

4. Stedsm - Legendary - Registered on November 28, 2013 - No negative trust

5. Avirunes - Legendary - Registered on November 30, 2013 - No negative trust

6. newIndia - Legendary - Registered on December 27, 2013 - No negative trust

All of the people mentioned above are Legendary with no negative trust from DT and registered on 2013. All of them were active within last one month, which means these people are continuously contributing for almost 6 years. I believe, that is enough at stake and we can have any one of them as escrow (or multiple if we go for multi-sig).

I dont see any reason to exclude the existing users listed in the voting though, as I am not aware of any scammy behaviour from any of them. So, you can just include deadley, vennali, Avirunes & newIndia in your list to make it complete and let them compete.

If Darkstar has no problem to hold funds and give out money to winners every month, I don't think we need multi-sig wallet. Darkstar alone is sufficient to be trusted.