Topic: Ideas for topic ordering in altcoin announcements? - page 3. (Read 18930 times)

This would be the IDEAL situation.

However there are only a handful of persons that can screen a projects design and make useful analysis.  Also with ico distributional processes having capped limits reached in seconds it is impossible to tell if that was just a very popular project or just a 100% instamine by colluding whales.

The paid group would also be under huge temptation to push forward projects brimming with ico bitcoins for back handers so this is quite a risky thing too.

Better to use age of account + merit (capped at 200 earned) for cumulative value of topic. The opt out button mentioned by suchmoon would be good idea too to avoid contributing to perceived value when posting to inform people it is a scam or questioning the dev team to get much needed answeres.

Glad you like it, this is the best I could come with that would not let to serious abuse. Of course, merit can be bought but is going to cost them a lot and they would be far easier to identify.

Still, I wouldn't go as far as saying that suddenly people will want to make meritable posts in the altcoin section.


But from what theymos proposed I'm really concerned with the point you've raised:


So if an ICO is discovered to be a scam with a  fake team or anything else and you, loycev or marlboroza post in it warning people about the issue that topic would probably be on the first page forever although your warning posts will be buried under a ton of one-liners.

So the system would backfire seriously in this case, turning scam warnings in the most generous promoters ever.

In my case, for example, I posted only once in the last month on an ANN, congratulating BCH for the flippening.  
Pretty obvious that with the new system I would have stayed away, so this might have some weird consequences.


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I see you've edited your reply but the first time you've mentioned: "a person" that was doing the scanning and is now banned from the board. Who are you talking about?

They would still be able to post but their posts wouldn't bump the thread to the front page. And requiring to post in the ANN thread is already against the rules.

Although I still prefer stompix's idea of having to spend merits to bump a thread. This would cost abusers a lot more than just getting a merited account and using it for unlimited bumps.

My Idea is to screen each projects in that section and let them pay for it for  you to enable to form a group that will screen every project. This will avoid creating scam projects which likely will reduce the percentage of accused scam projects from 90% scam projects probably down to 5% or below will be good. There is no problem with how the topic was being arranged but the problem is that people are likely to scam because of anonymity feature of cryptocurrency. If we can limit this feature for the team who composes in a project and should have made a registration for the project for a good results even if it will fail for there is still a refund to be conducted.

Agree with this idea. Bump once every 24 hours seems nice. For example, if 10 posts were made in the last 24 hours, then the thread only bump one time.

This idea wouldn't work on the bounty section because of "#proof of authentication" post, and because of some bounty that requires the participant to post on the ANN thread. Therefore, it gives unfair advantages to merited members and easily abused.

Again, this would be easily abused by campaigns hiring bots to spam competitors' threads with identical posts and therefore get them locked.



I would make the criteria somewhat stricter, say 5 merits in the last 30 or 90 days, but I like this idea a lot. However, it does still run the risk of creating a marketplace for certain users to sell their "bumping ability".

I prefer models where everyone has the same opportunity to be heard according to fair analysis of their real value.

Since that is impossible to implement short of having AI review every post and mark it against strict complex criteria (same for everyone) then we can try to filter the merit scores as we have them now.

I would cap merit weight at 150-200 earned merits (*nobody to me has fairly earned more than this these numbers are not purely guess work and come from light analysis of the merit system ) this can be increased gradually and sensibly over time so that merit scores have semblance of useful representation of the value of the member. This although does not take into account all those good posts drown out by the spammers on their fav parts of the forum it does a good job balancing things for a quick fix.

If we really want to start attributing weight to merit though there would need really to be a complete overhaul to make it a fairer system that is far more objective and gave a similar chance of review for all posts. Either that or work out some good filters and caps.

I actually believe a safer way is to weight  both merit (capped or overhauled) and activity.

* by fair i mean that given from where we started with merit it was impossible to give the same opportunity to all posters regardless of which board they post on due to dilution by spam. I also do believe a few do not treat the merit system exactly as it was intended to be used.

This could be interesting. However, the bot would need to be able to filter out quotes if this was to be implemented. However, I already know what they'll do to work around it. They are likely to lazy to think of new phrases, but will just post random letters at the end of the reply or something annoying like that. The thing is the users behind the bumping are well aware of how the forum works, and any system which is implemented will likely be abused. The objective is to introduce something that as the least impact on the users, and the least impact if abused.

A system that automatically gives you something for nothing will likely get abused by alts.

Using the existing merits sounds like a better approach.

Any change that uses algorithms to determine an order may eventually be gamified by the users. And since the speed of changes in anything that involves the forum code is very slow, I do not believe that it will be the best solution if there is not a planning to constantly update the algorithm.

I suggest bump of topic only happen when somebody who had earned 5 merits in last six month reply on it. It will take power of bumping from those people who got mass chunk in one go and are suspected merit abuser.

If feasible, I will like anti bump button for the users so that they can reply on topic without bumping it.
Anti bump button will be useful when you like to post warnings in thread (so user who are tracking it will read it) but it will not be bumped because bumping might attract lot of shitposter and warning you put in thread will be lost between in that shitposts.


Edit: Another Approach.
Just like source merit, we can have bump merits. Whoever has rank greater than member will get 5 bump merits in a day (if user do not use them then it will expire, so next day its total will be 5 , not more than 5). User will use their bump merit to bump the thread (by default , 1 bump merit is used in each reply unless user decline to use bump merit or already ran out of his bump merits.

If a Thread has more then 2 or 4 exactly the same messages like copy and paste (plagiarism)  the thread get locked by the system !

Or if the Thread last 5 posts only "Good Projekt"  the thread gets automatically sorted out and reported to the Mods !

But guess this is a way to much to implement this !

I don't know what's worse, mentioning KYC three times for the third time or having this in your signature:



 

A lot less work in the long run as it removes a huge incentive to spam. The mod just moves any duplicates to the original thread or trashes them.

we cant solve problem about newbie registrations, becouse i think forum is for newcomers to.

and i know KYC is not popular and best way. but KYC is way for broke this problems.

without kyc - i think about  new way.

now on bounty threads, bounty and airdrop managers want Quote, becous if some person make new quote - (reply) post will go in TOP, and can find new people for bounty and airdrop. if new reply couldnot UP thread, i think it will be better.

This sounds lovely.


This might encourage creating new threads so more work for mods trying to weed out duplicates.

Some users have 1000+ accounts.



This will transform merit in a thing used by spammers to bumping threads and used on not valuable posts, but will have a good side, those spammers will lose the airdropped merit.

"Announcements" are traditionally a piece of news about a time sensitive event;

Just list them in date order of the original post, not by popularity or most recent addition. Bumping becomes irrelevant.
Anyone seriously interested in a particular scheme can watch it or find it thru search.

Nice that you're finally talking seriously about this problem and you intend to act but I think it's simply to complicated. And when things get complicated there are more ways in which the system gets abused and cheaters bypass it.

Rather than implementing all this, why not try simpler solutions as hilariousetc, suchmoon or Loycev have said.

- make the topics bumpable once in an interval, not once a day, this sounds too much, but maybe 8/6/4 hours?
- make so that only users who have earned 1 merit (in the last 30 days!!, to deny merit farmers) can bump a topic

Or we could go to an extreme solution!
- bump the topic only when a merit has been awarded in that topic

Spammers would just create hundreds of non-KYC accounts like they already do with the newbies shitbumping the threads.