Topic: (IDEAS?) What to do with auction proceeds for ScamKey victims - page 2. (Read 1408 times)

I posted on forum & reached out to everyone knew who held ColdCuntz as soon as I possibly could.

My idea for one of the ideas to vote on.

Original price of card reimbursed to anyone who was swept or peeled after warning with proof pic & research of sweep date.

That’s all I’m pushing for here.  This would help a lot of people, not just “some”. And any of those folks may be entitled to funds as well, let the people decide.

yes "some" would be better. but unless you know some specifics of people knowingly doing so - I wouldnt even say "some"

and yes you did, you messaged me off the forums if I recall.

edit: and my time reference was simply to point out that you dont know many of the people here as well as some of us others. another reason why not to accuse anyone.

and I wasnt as vulgar as to say "your rookie ass"

Oh & my rookie ass alerted everyone to getting buttfucked within hours… beginners luck? 

Everyone .. maybe I should have said “some”.  This isn’t about trashing people, this is about getting the fucking option to vote on the table & “some” folks constantly swatting that idea down in favor of a select “some” getting all the charity funds! 

Mopar, you’re a good dude & my fight isn’t with you.  I want a vote.  Others do too but don’t want to post because they’re anti-drama.  Doesn’t matter how long I’ve been on this forum.  All hobbies have the same scams & I’m a veteran in that regard ✌🏼

what warning signs? I knew nothing of any of those things - only that a few people were missing some cards and he was - from the posts people made - was addressing them.


and if you dont think of the ones I listed were intentionally doing it - maybe dont say "everyone"?

you been here what? less than a year? maybe a little over a year? and wanna trash everyone? take a step back. blame the guy who did the wrong - not everyone else.

Again you have no fucking clue or any idea what the hell I went through so leave me the fuck alone stop accusing me of bullshit and just fuck off. Yes this is me when someone accuses me of being part of a scam when I have done literally nothing but try to help yog and the rest of you people, and now you attack me personally and accuse me of being part of the scam. Do you see why that burns me now? I guess not because you're not in my shoes obviously. You need the help because you cant get over it I've already moved past it but when someone's accuses me of scamming when I made zero and lost more than you it kind of burns my ass You get it yet? Fuck sakes you are thick

I don't know how much money you had up tied because all I was doing was trying to fix all the other fucking messes but he kept creating more behind my back so is that my fucking fault? Anyways now I'm fucking done for real now...

Edit. .. I am not and have never been affiliated with cold scam other than helping Patrick out. It was his company not mine. 🖕

Agreed but the warning signs were there.  I don’t believe any of the people you mentioned intentionally kept the racket going… but the hype campaign was strong when there was fire coming in the woods.

maybe some of them? I dont know - do you? but you stated " everyone was giving personal loans to keep the racket going" that puts hookzup1, krogoth, myself, polymerbit and a few others I cant think of off the top of my head - and none of us did it to "keep the racket going"

I get you are pissed but your general statements are trashing everyone for no reason. No one on this thread is responsible for what yogg did - only  yogg is.

I could be mistaken but didn’t some of his backers know he was whacked out on drugs, not delivering old ass orders, constantly borrowing $ & making excuses?  Is this someone you would tell the community to trust?  I’m not saying they intentionally did anything to scam anyone, I’m saying the warning signs were there.  I’ve spoken to OG’s that sold their cards long ago bc they lost confidence.  I’ve trusted the wrong people in my life too, believe me, but looking back, I had that feeling that they were capable of what they did.

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Reality check - There are literally zero ways to accurately track "Premium" losses here - Seriously, forget it. Premiums are what buyers attach to the product, yes I too paid many times over face for certain cards but how in the living f is anyone gonna prove that or even track it? It seriously boggles my mind, so drop that idea. The best these funds will cover is Cygan's losses out of pocket which should be #1 to me, and the others who never sought refunds from Cygan like myself... Sure many people bought cards on the forum so history can be looked up, but many many others did off-forum deals (PM etc etc) as well.

The fact that everyone freaked out and peeled every card they had as a result of only 2 specific sets known to have been swept PROVES this was NOT an orchestrated fraud from the beginning. NO other cards have been swept... So ... That leads to the question, why should anyone be reimbursed for funds that were never likely to be swept? (For the record, Yogg was a genius in terms of IQ, but came at the expense of social skills and other aspects of his life..  So... IMO, I KNOW if he had done this on purpose from day one, all funds would have gone woosh at once for ALL cards ...

@Hookzup, all your other cards still funded?  

And yes, if someone is going to falsely accuse me of being part of some kind of orchestrated fraud, I WILL INDEED leave them negative trust, or at least Neutral...  The trust system is not moderated, so anyone who doesn't like it can fuck off too afaic....

For the record, this "precious" guy (fitting lol) was nothing but whiny, skittish and impatient whenever I dealt with him and the fact I even TRIED to help him burns now as well when I had no control over a guy in France lol ... I've spent 9 years here combatting scams and scammers... Ever heard of the GAW mining scam? Yeah, go look back through 2014 of my posts. I spent half my life exposing Homero the GAW cloud mining fraudster along with @Suchmoon who called it first...

lastly, Yogg nearly literally fckn killed me that day when he went fuckin batshit insane - I have health issues too, so I'm sure you all saw the messages I sent him etc ffs? Does that look fun to you on a day off?

Have a good night, I got real work to do...
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Help me recover my $1000+ worth of btc funding that I sent specifically for funding my history sets of your affiliated company?? That’s what I’m whiny and impatient about?

That’s all true - but at least I got my funds. The post explaining all the made up difficulties that was promised never happened either. Only promised after I threatened to go public… I truly regret not going public (could’ve saved you guys and me some btc) but had no way of knowing about all the loans and owed products. I thought I was a one off case and not the norm. Either way - your reputation precedes itself. I don’t know what personal issues you have going on but acting out online and “blocking” “negative trust” and crying about it isn’t healthy. Hope you get the help you need. Cuz man - you are something else. When you have this constant drama surrounding you, plus flying off the handle at random shit all the time… bro - seek help. I am not the first second or tenth person you’ve done this to and I know I won’t be the last.

hold on a second - who was being propped up by yogg? people were helping him - people were buying the card - people loaned him funds - yes, but not to keep the "Racket" going.

you just accused a ton of great people - "regular joe collectors"

Yes, something like that.  Initial cost of card, some were more obviously & a proof pic must be sent with QR visible with addy & name/date.

Just vote & have all options on the table with ranked choice or multiple choice.  No point in arguing. 

Ummm reality check.. he swept another round a month after the first swipening.  He also missed some cards the first time in the same batch. Genius? Maybe not lol.  People literally left funds on their shit & he fuckin Yogg’d their ass later as an extra fuck you to everyone 🙄 leaving funds on one still is like going back in time & buying a bunch of 2FA Titans

The premium reimbursement is plausible & I’ll be giving my suggestions as soon as the poll is complete.  Let’s face it, you got a handful of people who want it all to go to people to propped up the scammer, guilty or not themselves & all the “common folk” who just lost a lot of Fuckin money trusting someone everyone was giving personal loans to keep the racket going…. Let just be honest… the regular Joe collectors deserve some relief, maybe some for the whales too ✌🏼

the point is whether it was that set or those 2 sets - anyone leaving a card unpeeled would have been asking for it to be taken - I think even you told everyone to peel em - might be wrong but peeling them was the right thing.

people getting reimbursed for the last premium? I would say no - I mean shit, I paid nearly 3/4 of a Bitcoin for all my cards - a shit ton of premium - lost premium should not be reimbursed.

maybe reimburse everyone for the initial cost of a card? if they have the card itself then reimburse but that could be hard to prove still.

Reality check - There are literally zero ways to accurately track "Premium" losses here - Seriously, forget it. Premiums are what buyers attach to the product, yes I too paid many times over face for certain cards but how in the living f is anyone gonna prove that or even track it? It seriously boggles my mind, so drop that idea. The best these funds will cover is Cygan's losses out of pocket which should be #1 to me, and the others who never sought refunds from Cygan like myself... Sure many people bought cards on the forum so history can be looked up, but many many others did off-forum deals (PM etc etc) as well.

The fact that everyone freaked out and peeled every card they had as a result of only 2 specific sets known to have been swept PROVES this was NOT an orchestrated fraud from the beginning. NO other cards have been swept... So ... That leads to the question, why should anyone be reimbursed for funds that were never likely to be swept? (For the record, Yogg was a genius in terms of IQ, but came at the expense of social skills and other aspects of his life..  So... IMO, I KNOW if he had done this on purpose from day one, all funds would have gone woosh at once for ALL cards ...

@Hookzup, all your other cards still funded? 

And yes, if someone is going to falsely accuse me of being part of some kind of orchestrated fraud, I WILL INDEED leave them negative trust, or at least Neutral...  The trust system is not moderated, so anyone who doesn't like it can fuck off too afaic....

For the record, this "precious" guy (fitting lol) was nothing but whiny, skittish and impatient whenever I dealt with him and the fact I even TRIED to help him burns now as well when I had no control over a guy in France lol ... I've spent 9 years here combatting scams and scammers... Ever heard of the GAW mining scam? Yeah, go look back through 2014 of my posts. I spent half my life exposing Homero the GAW cloud mining fraudster along with @Suchmoon who called it first...

lastly, Yogg nearly literally fckn killed me that day when he went fuckin batshit insane - I have health issues too, so I'm sure you all saw the messages I sent him etc ffs? Does that look fun to you on a day off?

Have a good night, I got real work to do...

Negative trust for an argument? Come on man… we all grown ups here… I think 🤔 He didn’t rip you off or anything, that’s what I always thought the trust system was for.  You do what you say kinda thing or reporting scammers. 

Anyway, a poll with ranked choice voting & if 2 or 3 have significant votes, we divide the funds up. Maybe a portion can be distributed to people who lost premium or never received their items, to refund folks who didn’t want cygan’s, refund Cygan & personal loan folks etc.  The people will show the way… we gotta rip this bandaid off & move on ✌🏼

I do agree but after being personally slandered and attacked a short while ago, I would like to say for the fucking absolute record:

 ... I take great issue with that @PreciousMetaps, as you really really really have zero fucking clue what I actually gave/put into this fucking shitshow project when it was actually viable. I did more than my fucking best, so again stuff your premiums up your ass. Not even counting cards I was scammed, peeled or premiums I lost about 15k. Wanna keep arguing? Nope, you are now on my ignore list and wil be leaving you red trust for slandering me in the post above.

Furthermore, If you or anyone doesn't like it, fuck off, I'm sorry, as I said, I lost way fucking more than most of you, plus one of my best friends (Who played me in every fucking manner at that), so fuck all of you AFAIC - As I said, I don't care about this money, give it to fucking Ukraine FFS....  

Many of us knew him personally. That’s why this was so fucked up. Especially for Owlcatz, who knew him very well and tried working with /helping him out. But Patrick did this all on his own, and no one else is to blame nor do I view their reputation tied to cold key at all. If anything Owlcatz and Cygan’s reputation is better than before, as both have been very upfront, trying to help out those who lost money etc.

It’s simply a shit situation.



This makes sense.

A ranked choice poll is the best idea.  Everyone chime in who has been affected.  Once the results are in, we can move forward & put this behind us ✌🏼