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Fiat can never be worthless even if price of bitcoins goes that high as we know the fact that we cannot spend bitcoins directly and whenever we want to spend them we need to convert them to fiat first so till this scenario doesn't change I don't think fiat is going anywhere as people will need fiat to convert their bitcoins.

I agree, fiat never worthless because of regulation. Fiat will be worthless if all people around the world use digital currency, but it will become rare maybe $1 fiat be 100 BTC
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No matter how high the price of bitcoin will get if there are not enough merchants that will accept it then the answer is no. Fiat will still remain as the main currency that will revolve in markets so it will never be worthless. Also if btc price will remain unstable then fiat will still be the best option to hold your funds into. You wouldn't want to wake up one day that all your money has suddenly dropped it's value. Grin

Indeed, fiat also has been stand for a years. therefore people around the world are quite familiar with it. moreover, fiat is being used in different country too, so I don't think it will become worthless, though bitcoin for now is not that as stable like fiat but later it will become like fiat also.
I am currently using fiat despite the popularity of bitcoin, although I choose not to but I cannot do it. The price of bitcoin is solely based on how fiat perform on your certain country. Using it to spend for your daily needs will not be good but as investment you will be satisfied.

Fiat will stay while bitcoin will progress and that is what I want to see, I could earn bitcoins and convert it direct to fiat.
I have my investment with bitcoin and I am gonna make sure I will hold longer and only sell once we can hit that amount as the title says.
I don't care how many years I have to wait, I don't put all the money I need to spend, this is purely for investment in bitcoin only.
This is true no matter how bitcoin would be a good investment it would remain still on that place and theres no other place to go but only in fiat. We are all dependent on fiat itself because we do use it on everyday living without it then we cant survive on everyday.Bitcoin still not usable globally and its still dependent to fiat too regarding to its value.
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No matter how high the price of bitcoin will get if there are not enough merchants that will accept it then the answer is no. Fiat will still remain as the main currency that will revolve in markets so it will never be worthless. Also if btc price will remain unstable then fiat will still be the best option to hold your funds into. You wouldn't want to wake up one day that all your money has suddenly dropped it's value. Grin

Indeed, fiat also has been stand for a years. therefore people around the world are quite familiar with it. moreover, fiat is being used in different country too, so I don't think it will become worthless, though bitcoin for now is not that as stable like fiat but later it will become like fiat also.
I am currently using fiat despite the popularity of bitcoin, although I choose not to but I cannot do it. The price of bitcoin is solely based on how fiat perform on your certain country. Using it to spend for your daily needs will not be good but as investment you will be satisfied.

Fiat will stay while bitcoin will progress and that is what I want to see, I could earn bitcoins and convert it direct to fiat.
I have my investment with bitcoin and I am gonna make sure I will hold longer and only sell once we can hit that amount as the title says.
I don't care how many years I have to wait, I don't put all the money I need to spend, this is purely for investment in bitcoin only.
hero member
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No matter how high the price of bitcoin will get if there are not enough merchants that will accept it then the answer is no. Fiat will still remain as the main currency that will revolve in markets so it will never be worthless. Also if btc price will remain unstable then fiat will still be the best option to hold your funds into. You wouldn't want to wake up one day that all your money has suddenly dropped it's value. Grin

Indeed, fiat also has been stand for a years. therefore people around the world are quite familiar with it. moreover, fiat is being used in different country too, so I don't think it will become worthless, though bitcoin for now is not that as stable like fiat but later it will become like fiat also.
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maybe yes.
if bitcoin hit $10.000, maybe we must pay $100 for a cup of coffe  Grin Grin
in this case with 1BTC ($100.000) we can't buy home
Fiat will automaticaly worthless because of it's inflation, just wait until government print a lot of fiat. Probably the nominal is increase but the value is the same. I think bitcoin need to be used directly to make fiat worthless.

The USD has lost 95% of its value since 1913, but that hasn't made it worthless. In fact, even though that statistic is brandies about as evidence of how unstable the dollar is, or as evidence of how "evil" the fed is, the US economy is stable and inflation is reasonable. You have to use 100 year time periods to see the "drastic" devaluation cited, but nobody generally lives long enough to lose such a significant portion of their savings to inflation

There are three kinds of lies - lies, damned lies, and statistics

When someone says that the dollar has lost 95% of its value since 1913, this figure looks mind-boggling of course, but we should compare it with the income that might have been earned on this dollar. Since this is the American dollar, we should take the American bonds as the yardstick which have the same risk as the dollar itself since they are issued by the same US government. Since we are talking about long terms, we should obviously take the longest term US bonds, say, 10 or 30 year bonds, and when we calculate their income with interest compounded, we will see that bonds, which are basically the same dollars with interest paid on them, would well outperform inflation of the dollar as such

Not only that, but there are also TIPS bonds, which are Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities. They pay a set interest rate, and then also pay an additional rate on top of that that is pegged to inflation, so as to negate the dilutive power of dollar creation over time. But you are correct that the 10, 20, and 30 year bond yields are currently above the rate of inflation, and have been for some time. You might have to go back to the 70s or 80s, when inflation was quite high, to find a time when inflation outpaced long term treasury yields.

In fact, I meant TIPS as well

But I wasn't sure how long they have been in circulation so I decided not to mention them specifically. My point is that saving naked dollars is an exercise in futility when you can easily use financial tools which have absolutely the same amount of risk as the dollar itself and still protect you from inflation most of the time if not all the time (at least, so far). In any case, holding your wealth in paper is not a very good idea overall since governments may default too ("all paper will burn") 
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I think, fiat will never be worthless, no matter how much bitcoin price is, there still be a fiat. Even bitcoin price really expensive, some 3rd world country still didnt know about what bitcoin is. They already confident with fiat, and trust it already.
For me, i trust bitcoin can be more expensive in the future but,in the end we have to agree that fiat is important, the role it has in day to day transactions is something bitcoin can't take over. But, who knows.. time will answer this, lets see.
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Fiat can never be worthless even if price of bitcoins goes that high as we know the fact that we cannot spend bitcoins directly and whenever we want to spend them we need to convert them to fiat first so till this scenario doesn't change I don't think fiat is going anywhere as people will need fiat to convert their bitcoins.

Lol, and the moon is made of fish eggs.  Balloons will never deflate and we know nobody ever eats without a spoon carved in the shape of Qetzlcoatl. 
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Bitcoin is an alternative mechanism of value transfer for a specific demographic of people.

It can never make fiat money worthless.

I am agree with you. Bitcoin can't make fiat worthless. But I think that with such huge price, 10000$ it's really big, bitcoin can easily be banned in some poor countries. So will such big price be good to us or not? That's the question.
i think bitcoin is not make for to make fiat worthless. bitcoin was created for online purpose and now we can also use it in local shops also but still bitcoin is not use by all the people and may be not more 1% people are using. it. but still its users are increasing from time to time.
Yeah, and I have to add that even if the value of most fiat currencies falls, what will make Bitcoin succeed in the long run is the amount of people adopting and using Bitcoin, as that is what will bring liquidity to the market, allowing the currency to gain more stability and making people feel safer using it.

Fiat is a different way of currency which is following the whole world economy but bitcoin is online currency and it is more like a investment value coin just like gold and other precious metals. So i think both of them have their own value and no one can take another ones position

That's right. It won't matter what the price of bitcoin is as fiat doesnt rely on any digital currency. At this point, i don't see anything coming close to fiat when it comes to use so whether shoots up to that amount or become obsolete, i don't think fiat users would feel any effect
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Bitcoin is an alternative mechanism of value transfer for a specific demographic of people.

It can never make fiat money worthless.

I am agree with you. Bitcoin can't make fiat worthless. But I think that with such huge price, 10000$ it's really big, bitcoin can easily be banned in some poor countries. So will such big price be good to us or not? That's the question.
i think bitcoin is not make for to make fiat worthless. bitcoin was created for online purpose and now we can also use it in local shops also but still bitcoin is not use by all the people and may be not more 1% people are using. it. but still its users are increasing from time to time.
Yeah, and I have to add that even if the value of most fiat currencies falls, what will make Bitcoin succeed in the long run is the amount of people adopting and using Bitcoin, as that is what will bring liquidity to the market, allowing the currency to gain more stability and making people feel safer using it.

Fiat is a different way of currency which is following the whole world economy but bitcoin is online currency and it is more like a investment value coin just like gold and other precious metals. So i think both of them have their own value and no one can take another ones position
sr. member
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Bitcoin is an alternative mechanism of value transfer for a specific demographic of people.

It can never make fiat money worthless.

I am agree with you. Bitcoin can't make fiat worthless. But I think that with such huge price, 10000$ it's really big, bitcoin can easily be banned in some poor countries. So will such big price be good to us or not? That's the question.
i think bitcoin is not make for to make fiat worthless. bitcoin was created for online purpose and now we can also use it in local shops also but still bitcoin is not use by all the people and may be not more 1% people are using. it. but still its users are increasing from time to time.
Yeah, and I have to add that even if the value of most fiat currencies falls, what will make Bitcoin succeed in the long run is the amount of people adopting and using Bitcoin, as that is what will bring liquidity to the market, allowing the currency to gain more stability and making people feel safer using it.
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maybe yes.
if bitcoin hit $10.000, maybe we must pay $100 for a cup of coffe  Grin Grin
in this case with 1BTC ($100.000) we can't buy home
Fiat will automaticaly worthless because of it's inflation, just wait until government print a lot of fiat. Probably the nominal is increase but the value is the same. I think bitcoin need to be used directly to make fiat worthless.

The USD has lost 95% of its value since 1913, but that hasn't made it worthless. In fact, even though that statistic is brandies about as evidence of how unstable the dollar is, or as evidence of how "evil" the fed is, the US economy is stable and inflation is reasonable. You have to use 100 year time periods to see the "drastic" devaluation cited, but nobody generally lives long enough to lose such a significant portion of their savings to inflation

There are three kinds of lies - lies, damned lies, and statistics

When someone says that the dollar has lost 95% of its value since 1913, this figure looks mind-boggling of course, but we should compare it with the income that might have been earned on this dollar. Since this is the American dollar, we should take the American bonds as the yardstick which have the same risk as the dollar itself since they are issued by the same US government. Since we are talking about long terms, we should obviously take the longest term US bonds, say, 10 or 30 year bonds, and when we calculate their income with interest compounded, we will see that bonds, which are basically the same dollars with interest paid on them, would well outperform inflation of the dollar as such

Not only that, but there are also TIPS bonds, which are Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities. They pay a set interest rate, and then also pay an additional rate on top of that that is pegged to inflation, so as to negate the dilutive power of dollar creation over time. But you are correct that the 10, 20, and 30 year bond yields are currently above the rate of inflation, and have been for some time. You might have to go back to the 70s or 80s, when inflation was quite high, to find a time when inflation outpaced long term treasury yields.
sr. member
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Fiat can never be worthless even if price of bitcoins goes that high as we know the fact that we cannot spend bitcoins directly and whenever we want to spend them we need to convert them to fiat first so till this scenario doesn't change I don't think fiat is going anywhere as people will need fiat to convert their bitcoins.
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Even if bitcoin is $10,000 or any amount,fiat will never be worthless as long as majority of the people will use it on a daily basis.  Fiat is easy to use and you can bring it anywhere.

It's not people using fiat that keeps it valuable. Plenty of people were using currencies that were undergoing hyperinflation in the past. In Germany, the German Mark was used by all German citizens, but that didn't save its value from the rapid devaluation brought on by the governments disasterous economic policies.

What happened to the Yugoslavian Dinar and the Zimbabwean Dollar in the past, and what is happening to the Venezuelan Bolivar right now are quite similar. The fiat currencies will remain valuable as long as the government is capable of removing the excess supply from the market.
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maybe yes.
if bitcoin hit $10.000, maybe we must pay $100 for a cup of coffe  Grin Grin
in this case with 1BTC ($100.000) we can't buy home
Fiat will automaticaly worthless because of it's inflation, just wait until government print a lot of fiat. Probably the nominal is increase but the value is the same. I think bitcoin need to be used directly to make fiat worthless.

The USD has lost 95% of its value since 1913, but that hasn't made it worthless. In fact, even though that statistic is brandies about as evidence of how unstable the dollar is, or as evidence of how "evil" the fed is, the US economy is stable and inflation is reasonable. You have to use 100 year time periods to see the "drastic" devaluation cited, but nobody generally lives long enough to lose such a significant portion of their savings to inflation

There are three kinds of lies - lies, damned lies, and statistics

When someone says that the dollar has lost 95% of its value since 1913, this figure looks mind-boggling of course, but we should compare it with the income that might have been earned on this dollar. Since this is the American dollar, we should take the American bonds as the yardstick which have the same risk as the dollar itself since they are issued by the same US government. Since we are talking about long terms, we should obviously take the longest term US bonds, say, 10 or 30 year bonds, and when we calculate their income with interest compounded, we will see that bonds, which are basically the same dollars with interest paid on them, would well outperform inflation of the dollar as such
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Even if bitcoin is $10,000 or any amount,fiat will never be worthless as long as majority of the people will use it on a daily basis.  Fiat is easy to use and you can bring it anywhere.

It's not people using fiat that keeps it valuable. Plenty of people were using currencies that were undergoing hyperinflation in the past. In Germany, the German Mark was used by all German citizens, but that didn't save its value from the rapid devaluation brought on by the governments disasterous economic policies.
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maybe yes.
if bitcoin hit $10.000, maybe we must pay $100 for a cup of coffe  Grin Grin
in this case with 1BTC ($100.000) we can't buy home
Fiat will automaticaly worthless because of it's inflation, just wait until government print a lot of fiat. Probably the nominal is increase but the value is the same. I think bitcoin need to be used directly to make fiat worthless.

The USD has lost 95% of its value since 1913, but that hasn't made it worthless. In fact, even though that statistic is brandies about as evidence of how unstable the dollar is, or as evidence of how "evil" the fed is, the US economy is stable and inflation is reasonable. You have to use 100 year time periods to see the "drastic" devaluation cited, but nobody generally lives long enough to lose such a significant portion of their savings to inflation.
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Even if bitcoin is $10,000 or any amount,fiat will never be worthless as long as majority of the people will use it on a daily basis.  Fiat is easy to use and you can bring it anywhere.
i think fiat has not such concern with the price of bitcoin, i think it depend on the mass adoption, as more and more people will adopt bitcoin, and as soon as they will start using bitcoin in their daily life like fiat currency it will put effect on fiat, but i think still it can take a long long time, because the number of bitcoin users is very low. may be less than 1% of the total population, i think we can expect these changes in next generation.
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Even if bitcoin is $10,000 or any amount,fiat will never be worthless as long as majority of the people will use it on a daily basis.  Fiat is easy to use and you can bring it anywhere.
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maybe yes.
if bitcoin hit $10.000, maybe we must pay $100 for a cup of coffe  Grin Grin
in this case with 1BTC ($100.000) we can't buy home
Fiat will automaticaly worthless because of it's inflation, just wait until government print a lot of fiat. Probably the nominal is increase but the value is the same. I think bitcoin need to be used directly to make fiat worthless.
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Fiat will become useless only for those people who use Bitcoin. But they are few compared to those who use the fiat. So the high price of Bitcoin has no effect on Fiat

Even these Bitcoin users are indirectly dependent upon the fiat. The bitcoin exchange rates are calculated with respect to the fiat currencies such as the US Dollar and the Chinese Yuan. The shopping sites  which accept Bitcoin calculates the price first in fiat, and then converts the price to BTC as per the existing exchange rate.
I do not think that fiat will be worthless or useless since its our nation money and i think it will never become useless beside bitcoins is not worthless if there is no fiat.. like sithara007 said. bitcoin has respect for bitcoin since bitcoin is just an alternative payment method..
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