Yeah that didn't happen in 1 day.
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Topic: If confirmation takes 10 minutes, how will I buy coffee at Starbucks? (Read 9948 times)
December 16, 2013, 07:44:51 PM
December 16, 2013, 07:40:03 PM
Don't use Starbucks; find a independent coffeeshop that takes bitcoin and support them instead!
If starbucks start accepting bitcoins the price will double in a day.
I really doubt it double in a day. I'm sure it'll raise the price and profile of BTC, but double it is a bit extreme.
Agreed. Bitcoin isn't some tiny experiment where the money supply is worth a few million anymore. There is pretty much no event that could cause it to double in on day. Likewise the only events IMHO that could cause it to fall more than 50% in one day anymore are likely catastrophic (massive network wide double spend, 51% attack blocking all transactions, a fatal flaw found in SHA-256, a backdoor found in the ECC curve used by Bitcoin, etc).
Yet bitcoin lost 50% of its value in 1 day because baidu removed it from it's homepage. Were you saying back then that this was a no event either?
December 16, 2013, 04:40:20 PM
If bitcoin becomes massive, how will I buy a coffee at Starbucks? Will I have to pay with bitcoins and then wait 10/30 minutes before picking up my coffee?
That's an easy one. You simply buy a second coffee.
December 16, 2013, 10:36:31 AM
Don't use Starbucks; find a independent coffeeshop that takes bitcoin and support them instead!
If starbucks start accepting bitcoins the price will double in a day.
I really doubt it double in a day. I'm sure it'll raise the price and profile of BTC, but double it is a bit extreme.
Agreed. Bitcoin isn't some tiny experiment where the money supply is worth a few million anymore. There is pretty much no event that could cause it to double in on day. Likewise the only events IMHO that could cause it to fall more than 50% in one day anymore are likely catastrophic (massive network wide double spend, 51% attack blocking all transactions, a fatal flaw found in SHA-256, a backdoor found in the ECC curve used by Bitcoin, etc).
December 16, 2013, 06:11:14 AM
For most, that is damn near impossible... I don't know of any independent coffee shops near me that take BTC. In fact, i don't know of any brick and mortar stores near me that do. To date, i have only been able to use BTC online.
I don't know of anyone that knows what bitcoin is. I have only been able to find people that know about bitcoin online.
What does this mean? That bitcoin is impossible?
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December 16, 2013, 05:58:30 AM
For most, that is damn near impossible... I don't know of any independent coffee shops near me that take BTC. In fact, i don't know of any brick and mortar stores near me that do. To date, i have only been able to use BTC online.
It's early days yet. Plus, you'll only be aware of them if you go in. Some stores that accept them don't even state they do or explicitly advertise the fact. Let's see how many stores start accepting them in 2014 - I think you'll be surprised. It'll also be much easier to get smaller independent entrepreneurial shops to experiment with accepting them as opposed to big corporations. I'll probably buy a coffee with BTC the first place I see that accepts them just to try it out and encourage it's use.
December 16, 2013, 04:42:13 AM
For most, that is damn near impossible... I don't know of any independent coffee shops near me that take BTC. In fact, i don't know of any brick and mortar stores near me that do. To date, i have only been able to use BTC online.
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December 16, 2013, 04:19:07 AM
Don't use Starbucks; find a independent coffeeshop that takes bitcoin and support them instead!
If starbucks start accepting bitcoins the price will double in a day.
I really doubt it double in a day. I'm sure it'll raise the price and profile of BTC, but double it is a bit extreme.
December 16, 2013, 04:01:30 AM
Don't use Starbucks; find a independent coffeeshop that takes bitcoin and support them instead!
If starbucks start accepting bitcoins the price will double in a day.
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December 15, 2013, 05:07:30 PM
coffee is legal, why the hell would you want to use bitcoins for that
LOL !!!Sadly though, even though it's funny here, many people have a misconception about bitcoins, and that it's used mostly for illegl things. I here this all the time. While this is far from the trueth, hopefully there will be some positive marketting coming from the bigger investors some time soon.
Tell them cash is used for many illegal things.
December 15, 2013, 04:34:54 PM
coffee is legal, why the hell would you want to use bitcoins for that
LOL !!!Sadly though, even though it's funny here, many people have a misconception about bitcoins, and that it's used mostly for illegl things. I here this all the time. While this is far from the trueth, hopefully there will be some positive marketting coming from the bigger investors some time soon.
December 15, 2013, 04:32:31 PM
coffee is legal, why the hell would you want to use bitcoins for that
LOL !!! December 15, 2013, 03:34:26 PM
simple answer:
0 confirmation transactions are safer than you think, its still way harder than chargeback on a credit card
starbucks has cameras, if you steal from them than they call the police
0 confirmation transactions are safer than you think, its still way harder than chargeback on a credit card
starbucks has cameras, if you steal from them than they call the police
Yes, another elegant way to put it. Plus, just because your bitcoins are anonymous to an extent in your wallet, who's to say most companies won't ask for ID before you make your bitcoin payment. So if you were to double spend, they'd at least have a photo ID scanned to send to the police. Double spending is also not THAT easy to do.
December 15, 2013, 03:29:26 PM
simple answer:
0 confirmation transactions are safer than you think, its still way harder than chargeback on a credit card
starbucks has cameras, if you steal from them than they call the police
0 confirmation transactions are safer than you think, its still way harder than chargeback on a credit card
starbucks has cameras, if you steal from them than they call the police
December 15, 2013, 03:25:14 PM
As I said on various other posts, things like starbucks will accept 0 verifications. And if bigger shops work with BTc, either they wait a little, or have insurance that protects from double spending.
December 15, 2013, 12:38:33 PM
What about fastcoin? I understand that one is teh fastest!
December 13, 2013, 03:37:09 PM
The problem isn't 0 confirmation transactions it's if Bitcoin becomes mainstream for people using it as a source of payment, it will break as it can't handle the transaction load, and will become a clusterfuck of a problem.
Hasn't this been discussed over and over , and it's clear that the network can hold a great amount of transactions if we tweak it a little bit?
December 12, 2013, 04:03:26 PM
The problem isn't 0 confirmation transactions it's if Bitcoin becomes mainstream for people using it as a source of payment, it will break as it can't handle the transaction load, and will become a clusterfuck of a problem.
There is that potential. Especially as we seem to be working against a logistic function. Most people fail to comprehend how fast things can happen. That said, we seem to have a number of tactics available right away that just require implementation.
Some new heavy hitters coming in for mining as well. When combined with funding we could see significant improvements happening sooner. Note Gavin working with Coinbase may give some additional ooomph in development assisted by new capital from VCs.
December 12, 2013, 03:06:51 PM
The problem isn't 0 confirmation transactions it's if Bitcoin becomes mainstream for people using it as a source of payment, it will break as it can't handle the transaction load, and will become a clusterfuck of a problem.
December 12, 2013, 12:08:16 PM
I met an actuary at the Las Vegas conference and told him he should apply that to measuring double spend risk and selling insurance to merchants.
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