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Topic: If tax calculators are to believed, staying in the UK means getting robbed (Read 3316 times)

legendary
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Queenie poo should turn Buckingham palace into a massive B&B she would make a mint with all the Americans flocking to stay there and she would not need handouts from the British public. LOL

Its not so simple.  The Queen and her relatives are legal owners of huge tracts of UK land.  If the Royals were cut loose and allowed to charge rent, it would be very expensive.  For example, all seashores are owned by the Crown. 
full member
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All things considered UK is actually not that bad in comparison with other nations.

ROFLMAO. You get persecuted for having screwdriver in your pocket while criminals use pistols. There is higher rate of some criminal offenses in London than in Cape Town. And yet they keep robbing you saying how much they take care of you and how they are ensuring your safety. Sure, not bad  Roll Eyes

Right, I guess I can find the same job in Cape Town and get paid the same NET amount right?
So easy to throw shit and use stupid cases to justify your opinion.
If you are of some use, I guess yes.
newbie
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Queenie poo should turn Buckingham palace into a massive B&B she would make a mint with all the Americans flocking to stay there and she would not need handouts from the British public. LOL
legendary
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Roll on independence in Scotland.. Fed up of Westminster taxing us.. Bedroom tax is the latest one!!

Saw Cameron on TV with his serious face on the other day urging Scots to vote no on it for the 'sake of Great Britain'. I'm sure they're just going to miss your taxes and don't really care otherwise.

Are you guys kidding?  The SNP is dedicated to higher taxes and they are the Scottish government.  

Yes, but then the taxes go to the Scottish people, not Cameron and his Corporate buddies.

That's a nice thought but in reality, the Scots enjoy a generous subsidy as well as disproportionate political representation.  If the Scots leave, England will be financially far better off.

Are you sure? Why are they so bothered about you leaving then? It will effect their interests negatively in some other capacity.

National pride is more important than money.  Ireland got indepedence in 1921 and it was a financial disaster.  There was never a point where anyoen said "Lets go back to being British."  Same with most ex-colonies.

Money is not a big deal if you don't feel free.  As it happens, the Scots seem set to reject independence as they are big fans of the Queen and all that guff.  Sad for me as I live in England and our taxes would fall if Scotland left.  There can never be a Labour government in England again without Scottish votes.

I wish we'd just abolish the monarchy and 'all that guff'. It's pathetic. Why can't we sell off/privatise the Royal Family and let somebody else pay for them instead of all our other nationally owned assets?
hero member
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As a USA resident, its not the amount of taxes which is so appalling (and it is) as how it is spent. Mostly on the military, where it is squandered through inefficiency (see Iraq/Afganistan) and corruption which reaches all the way up to congress (a part of the B2 stealth bomber is made in all 50 states in the USA).

The amount is rapidly 1 trillion USD per year. If Congress took half of this, and spent it instead on improving infrastructure, education, transportation, networks, robotics, nanotechnology, green energy, medical research, and other 21st century technologies, our country would look radically different a be in a much better place in 50 years. We might even be able to dig ourselves out of the financial hole we are in and bring the entire world economy with us (with Bitcoin leading the way - of course). As it stands currently, Im frightened how our country will look in 25 years, let alone 50-100.
newbie
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All things considered UK is actually not that bad in comparison with other nations.

ROFLMAO. You get persecuted for having screwdriver in your pocket while criminals use pistols. There is higher rate of some criminal offenses in London than in Cape Town. And yet they keep robbing you saying how much they take care of you and how they are ensuring your safety. Sure, not bad  Roll Eyes

Right, I guess I can find the same job in Cape Town and get paid the same NET amount right?
So easy to throw shit and use stupid cases to justify your opinion.
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1001
Roll on independence in Scotland.. Fed up of Westminster taxing us.. Bedroom tax is the latest one!!

Saw Cameron on TV with his serious face on the other day urging Scots to vote no on it for the 'sake of Great Britain'. I'm sure they're just going to miss your taxes and don't really care otherwise.

Are you guys kidding?  The SNP is dedicated to higher taxes and they are the Scottish government.  

Yes, but then the taxes go to the Scottish people, not Cameron and his Corporate buddies.

That's a nice thought but in reality, the Scots enjoy a generous subsidy as well as disproportionate political representation.  If the Scots leave, England will be financially far better off.

Are you sure? Why are they so bothered about you leaving then? It will effect their interests negatively in some other capacity.

National pride is more important than money.  Ireland got indepedence in 1921 and it was a financial disaster.  There was never a point where anyoen said "Lets go back to being British."  Same with most ex-colonies.

Money is not a big deal if you don't feel free.  As it happens, the Scots seem set to reject independence as they are big fans of the Queen and all that guff.  Sad for me as I live in England and our taxes would fall if Scotland left.  There can never be a Labour government in England again without Scottish votes.
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Roll on independence in Scotland.. Fed up of Westminster taxing us.. Bedroom tax is the latest one!!

Saw Cameron on TV with his serious face on the other day urging Scots to vote no on it for the 'sake of Great Britain'. I'm sure they're just going to miss your taxes and don't really care otherwise.

Are you guys kidding?  The SNP is dedicated to higher taxes and they are the Scottish government.  

Yes, but then the taxes go to the Scottish people, not Cameron and his Corporate buddies.

That's a nice thought but in reality, the Scots enjoy a generous subsidy as well as disproportionate political representation.  If the Scots leave, England will be financially far better off.

Are you sure? Why are they so bothered about you leaving then? It will effect their interests negatively in some other capacity.
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1001
Roll on independence in Scotland.. Fed up of Westminster taxing us.. Bedroom tax is the latest one!!

Saw Cameron on TV with his serious face on the other day urging Scots to vote no on it for the 'sake of Great Britain'. I'm sure they're just going to miss your taxes and don't really care otherwise.

Are you guys kidding?  The SNP is dedicated to higher taxes and they are the Scottish government.  

Yes, but then the taxes go to the Scottish people, not Cameron and his Corporate buddies.

That's a nice thought but in reality, the Scots enjoy a generous subsidy as well as disproportionate political representation.  If the Scots leave, England will be financially far better off.
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Roll on independence in Scotland.. Fed up of Westminster taxing us.. Bedroom tax is the latest one!!

Saw Cameron on TV with his serious face on the other day urging Scots to vote no on it for the 'sake of Great Britain'. I'm sure they're just going to miss your taxes and don't really care otherwise.

Are you guys kidding?  The SNP is dedicated to higher taxes and they are the Scottish government.  

Yes, but then the taxes go to the Scottish people, not Cameron and his Corporate buddies.
newbie
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Yes the majority of contractors here in the UK use LTD company vehicles to be tax efficient. But for the employed this is not an option. Most people like the comfort of holiday, sick and crappy pension at the end, if the company has not plundered it.
sr. member
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People in the UK are definitely getting screwed, thank the PAYE system for that. With the introduction of PAYE your tax is taken from your pay cheque before you even see the money.

Of course, once you get out of the PAYE system you will find that you can get away with paying much less tax. This is how the majority of the rich operate. They run business and they take dividends and receive 'loans' from off-shore unaccountable companies. It's not even difficult nor illegal. It's just not accessible by your average employee.
sr. member
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Scottish independence will start off with a burst of high taxes to make up for the loss of the subsidy from the English.  Once that pain has been dealt with, the Scots are well educated people with a world class infrastructure of roads, education, health and the like.  An independent Scotland should do just fine.

Yeah, paid for from that aforementioned subsidy.  To be fair they've got a "get on with it" attitude so have new stuff built which has improved their infrastructure (while in the wealth generating south east, every single development is bludgeoned to death by nimbism), but that wont last long once they are out of the union with less money.  They wont have the EU handouts either as they wont be able to join (Spain has already said they wont support Scotland joining, to send a signal to Catalonia and Basque), will find it very difficult to raise bonds when they have no national bank (BoE signalled will not support them), and the oil revenue is dwindling.  Noone other than the SNP thinks it will work economically, its a complete no starter.
newbie
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I think the whole of Britain should vote on whether Scotland should remain as part of the United Kingdom, not just the scots..  Roll Eyes
legendary
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I hope so, I wouldn't mind seeing an independent Wales as well.
legendary
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Roll on independence in Scotland.. Fed up of Westminster taxing us.. Bedroom tax is the latest one!!

Saw Cameron on TV with his serious face on the other day urging Scots to vote no on it for the 'sake of Great Britain'. I'm sure they're just going to miss your taxes and don't really care otherwise.

Are you guys kidding?  The SNP is dedicated to higher taxes and they are the Scottish government.  

I'm also not sure whether independence from Brittain will be beneficial for Scotland economically.

At least they'll shake paying for the war machine Smiley

Scottish independence will start off with a burst of high taxes to make up for the loss of the subsidy from the English.  Once that pain has been dealt with, the Scots are well educated people with a world class infrastructure of roads, education, health and the like.  An independent Scotland should do just fine.
legendary
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Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about, I also think that's probably what the Bank of England will be betting on, the politicians are just worried about saving face, they hate letting people decide for themselves on an issue.
legendary
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It depends on how It's done, there was talk about Scotland keeping the pound even if there was a yes vote on independence in Scotland so in the end it wouldn't mean much, I don't think the SNP know very much about keeping a country independent for all I've heard about them.

That said, the idea of a yes vote for it alone scares the crap out of the main party politicians, much like with the AV Referendum lol Tongue
legendary
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All things considered UK is actually not that bad in comparison with other nations.

ROFLMAO. You get persecuted for having screwdriver in your pocket while criminals use pistols. There is higher rate of some criminal offenses in London than in Cape Town. And yet they keep robbing you saying how much they take care of you and how they are ensuring your safety. Sure, not bad  Roll Eyes

I've forgotten the name of the Anarchist but I was told about this guy who had been accused by police of having a brick in his pocket at a protest and throwing at them and the only way he could prove his innocence was getting his coat forensically examined to prove that there wasn't even a trace of brick in the pockets. The only difference between the countries people like to attack so much is honesty, western countries generally tend to be much better at hiding and lying about their corruption whereas the eastern countries just can't be bothered with any of that.

Oh and Hawker I guess I have to agree with you on the voter thing if those turnout numbers are right, but the interesting thing is that my family is pretty pro-labour but they're getting tired of all the bullshit as well which is interesting, I think that the main reason people in the UK vote now is to make sure that the 'other guy' doesn't get in. As demonstrated by labour in the last election when they tried using that tactic against the neo-conservative party.

I think we'll see more George Galloway type manoeuvres by the voters just to make sure none of the main parties win, or at least I hope to see some of it Cheesy lol the look on the Labour parties' faces was fantastic when it happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crvy6twP_3s
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