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Topic: If the signature campaings are removed from the forum, will you stay or leave? - page 2. (Read 820 times)

legendary
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If I'm to be really honest, if signature campaigns are removed and I get busy in real life with other things that could prolly earn me some more money, I'll have little or no time to come here to make posts, I would be an occasional poster, that doesn't mean that I'm in the forum just for the money, cause I really find here interesting and educative, and earning somewhat complements it all, thus if that incentive is no longer there and I have a substitute means of making extra money in real life, there is no way I'll forfeit that to post on the forum frequently, I'd prolly be more of a reader and post only when I actually have the time to construct something.

Having said that, I'll not leave the forum for anything, my frequency in posting could reduce, but to totally leave the forum seems somewhat impossible right now, maybe sometime along the line I could have a different idea/mindset.
legendary
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I haven't seen an alternative to the forum that I really like, so I don't see a reason to leave. I am sure that I would be less active, but you would still see me around regularly. I don't like browsing crypto blogs and websites either so where do I go? There is only one German blog that I visit occasionally and that's it. I really don't like the Twitter/Discord/Telegram atmosphere with memes, lols, and whatnot. I feel like more effort is required to write decent to good posts here than what we have on social media.

Signatures won't be banned because theymos knows that's the start of the end.   
legendary
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Most will leave regardless, eventually. If the forum's administration continues to stay the way it is, I don't expect things to become better here. The OGs already left, when sig campaigns came around.

Think about this: Lauda left, Lutpin is Huh?, Zepher died(fuck.), same for Bruno(RIP), idk where escrow, tradefortress, or half of the OG ogs even are. Bitcointalk is no longer the iconic place it once was, it doesn't feel like the same forum where the likes of Hal Finney used to go around and speak with the community, hell even Satoshi was in the same forum; he fucking created the forum and now its a shitpile if anything.

I used to read like 50-60 threads a day now there is barely anything worthwhile to read, the only generally good posts I see are from people with the chipmixer signature, and a few others who talk in the Meta/Rep/Service Discussion/Economics/Speculation board.  Am I wrong?
staff
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I've never really understood why there's such a stigma against signature campaigns or advertising on the forum via your signature. Signatures can be disabled, and while yeah there are definitely spammers, they should be reported to both the moderators, and the signature campaign manager. Hopefully they're handled appropriately from both points of view.

However, the vast majority of users at least within the Bitcoin section advertising for Bitcoin paying campaigns are pretty decently run, with only a few exceptions. The problem lies in the altcoin section which is predominately paying in tokens which aren't worth anything at the time of signing up, let alone a few months down the line.

Though, there's definitely a lot of reports handled when they're reported, and several moderators seem to skim the section looking for trouble users. So, despite the altcoin section getting over run, there's a conscious, and relentless approach to dealing with it.
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This looks like a honeypot. I'm sure everyone who chose the first option will be banned, and everyone who chose the second option will be red-trusted for being dishonest.

Why?  I voted for the second option and I’ve never been part of a signature campaign and can’t see any circumstance in which I would.
I don't think that suchmoon was serious about that honeypot thing, but one thing implied there is true: ~95% (pure guesstimate based from what I saw in these 2 years on the forum) of the people that are wearing signature are either lying to themselves or others (probably both) if they claim to keep the  same activity regardless of signature campaigns.

Hell, majority of people adjust their posting habits based on the signature campaign rules and now imagine what would happen if there is no financial incentive to keep posting day after day, without never taking a break. Taking a break here in majority of cases equals to being kicked out of campaign and no one wants that.

As a result of being in a signature campaign for a gambling operation I have moved my witty sports commentary from NBA message boards to bitcointalk.  It doesn't really provide any relevant information for this site, but it's a conversation I'd have anyway, so I figure I might as well have it here and get paid while promoting a service I appreciate.  At the same time it inflates the views here and makes the site more relevant on the internet.  I guess it's a win-win for everyone in that regard.  The annoying thing to me is when trolls who have no idea what they're talking about chime in on actual Bitcoin activity with nonsense to inflate their post count.  We see way too much of that... 
legendary
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You're exaggerating

I might have been, yes.

Point is, with anonymous polls I think answers tend to be more wishful than factual. On average. Not everyone is necessarily or consciously dishonest.

I don't think that suchmoon was serious about that honeypot thing

I used to wear a big red "/s" in my signature back in the day and I'd probably go back to doing that if I'm no longer in a campaign. Some people still take me too seriously after all these years Smiley
legendary
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Farewell, Leo
I joined this forum in March 2020, when the first quarantine started and I got myself a wonderful read of an introduction of how Bitcoin works. I'm the kind of guy that makes a lot of questions; the first of my threads speak for themselves.

The responses I got really helped. I fell down the rabbit hole and saw another world. I think that I'll devote a part of my life to this forum and to Bitcoin that gave me this opportunity.

I guess, that I'd stay, but not as active as I am today. What to say when there's incentive in the middle?
legendary
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This looks like a honeypot. I'm sure everyone who chose the first option will be banned, and everyone who chose the second option will be red-trusted for being dishonest.

Oh, NO!!

I am feel stupid, I clicked the first one without reading properly. I saw the word "stay" on the second and third line" and totally didn't notice I clicked "leave" for the first option until the poll showed the results.
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... lol Smiley
hero member
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I think there are plenty who have similar opinion, but they prefer to stay silent to avoid getting shat on   Tongue

Yup, and we could pretty much say the same thing about the new forum software as well.

Deep down many are longing for mobile responsiveness, notification bell and tipping feature Grin
legendary
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This looks like a honeypot. I'm sure everyone who chose the first option will be banned, and everyone who chose the second option will be red-trusted for being dishonest.

Why?  I voted for the second option and I’ve never been part of a signature campaign and can’t see any circumstance in which I would.
I don't think that suchmoon was serious about that honeypot thing, but one thing implied there is true: ~95% (pure guesstimate based from what I saw in these 2 years on the forum) of the people that are wearing signature are either lying to themselves or others (probably both) if they claim to keep the  same activity regardless of signature campaigns.

Hell, majority of people adjust their posting habits based on the signature campaign rules and now imagine what would happen if there is no financial incentive to keep posting day after day, without never taking a break. Taking a break here in majority of cases equals to being kicked out of campaign and no one wants that.
legendary
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I never joined the forum to earn but to learn something new, and I never chased any signature campaigns.
You never know what tomorrow may bring but I can imagine many different scenarios than would force me to leave the forum and none of them are for signature reasons.
If you don't see me in bitcointalk forum for a long time, with or without signature, know that I am either dead, or forced to retire and live in some hidden mountain cabin without internet connection.

PS
Can anyone theymos please allow poor LoyceV to edit his Poll vote that he will leave the forum without signature, it was an honest mistake  Sad
It's messing up all the stats showing that 8% would leave the forum without precious signatures, plus 4% of bounty hunters that would probably join them.




hero member
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This looks like a honeypot. I'm sure everyone who chose the first option will be banned, and everyone who chose the second option will be red-trusted for being dishonest.

Why?  I voted for the second option and I’ve never been part of a signature campaign and can’t see any circumstance in which I would.
legendary
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Sig spammers are a scourge on these forums, and they can't all die in a fire soon enough.

This, I'd be delighted to see them go.

I voted "Stay, no change" but would have preferred a "Stay, will contribute more" option.  The overall standard of posting is absolutely risible - you can absolutely guarantee that any rambling, illogical, impenetrable post, repeating what's been said before or ignoring the question entirely will have a paid sig underneath it - anything that could improve that would be great.

Tell me about it.

It's hard to have a reasonable discussion about any gambling topic because of the swarm of posters babbling about things I've read dozens of times by now just to fill the gambling dig quota.
legendary
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This looks like a honeypot. I'm sure everyone who chose the first option will be banned, and everyone who chose the second option will be red-trusted for being dishonest.

I think I'm posting about as much now as I did before I joined the campaign, and I'd stay if all campaigns disappeared. But that would very different than not joining a campaign voluntarily, i.e. I'd probably participate less for reasons pointed out by Rikafip above... fewer shitheads to argue with etc.

However I don't think this would bring the end of the forum (I mean the disappearance of signatures, not me arguing with fewer shitheads). The forum will end with or without signatures. It will end because it's the RadioShack of social media. Average tubetwit person doesn't have the attention span for it. Nor do they want to read.
hero member
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This, finally someone with an unpopular opinion. Can imagine an average Joe mentioning that and getting shat on.

Like it or not, signature campaigns are a win-win situation. Advertisers get their traffic and customers, posters get their funds for their expenses. That's how marketing works; volumes to keep the site alive. Solely discussing Bitcoin and technology won't pay the bills, unless they have a ton of wealth to begin with.

Even without them, shitposters still exist the moment there's some sort of monetization opportunity.

I think there are plenty who have similar opinion, but they prefer to stay silent to avoid getting shat on   Tongue
legendary
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This forum is not only because of the signature campaign, but it also helps me a lot of information and I enjoy those learnings its more worthy than the earnings. Looks like earnings is just a side tip of the knowledge we gain so I will stay here and continue exploring more things related to the crypto world its more updated here than reading a lot of news and also the community helps each other to exchange ideas, opinions, and thoughts than just reading a single article without prior knowledge if this is a reliable or there's small mistaken information.
hero member
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I think there's likely quite a few users here who would prefer a signature free forum, but while its not they might as well earn a little something on the side. I don't really have too many complaints about users using it like this.

Times have changed, and more people are in need of funds so the demand for advertising never waned. In fact, signature campaigns have contributed in paying off some of my loans and I'm quite thankful for them.

On a side note, I'm using a browser that pays for displaying ads so I don't really mind them as well.
staff
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First of all, I quite like the idea that I can earn some money on the side while doing something that I intended on doing anyway, because I enjoy it. I probably posted a lot more when I wasn't in a signature campaign years ago, naturally I've become a little more busy as time progresses, and you could probably say I've matured a little more, and aren't quite as excited as I was before to get involved in discussions.

Though, I still have a passion for the forum unlike any other I've encountered. Some might think that the moderator position effects my attitude towards signature campaigns, but I don't think so. I love the mod position, and I also love earning while doing something I would do anyway; post. I think it's natural at times to be more motivated to post when your earning from it, I won't deny that's obviously a motivation for a lot of users, but if the content is good, I say let it be, and not worry too much about the motivation behind it.

 I literally don't participate in any other forum, and I think that speaks a lot for the quality of content available here. Yeah, the forum has its problems, but what doesn't have its problems these days. Bitcoin something we're all here for, has its problems.

I'm also someone that struggles to pick up new habits, for example I've been introduced to several other ways of communicating about Bitcoin, and other interests, but they never really stick. The forum has, and I'm going on eight years now since I've registered. I definitely haven't been in a signature campaign for that amount of time, so yeah I would definitely be still here.

Although, I do concede that this forum would likely lose a lot of traffic, and I have no way of verifying that, but it does seem a lot of users come here with the prospect of making money either through altcoins or through Bitcoin signature campaigns, which I'm totally fine with.


There are still few (as I know)  who do not wear signatures even though they can easily wear and get accepted everywhere. They are the real ones who would like the signature free forum.
I think there's likely quite a few users here who would prefer a signature free forum, but while its not they might as well earn a little something on the side. I don't really have too many complaints about users using it like this.
hero member
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I won't leave the forum either because I am addicted to it. There are one or two sections of the forum where I post a lot due to my interest and I will continue doing that.

Personally, I didn't join the forum to make money, but it ended up turning into that. I attribute being so well known on this forum because of campaigns. I don't feel like I would visit the forum much if signature campaigns went away even though I don't manage them much any longer. I do have a pretty decent income from wearing a signature though.

I find nothing wrong with users making money here. Hell, the admins are making a pretty penny weekly on advertising. Why would they ever want to try and cut out the smaller guy?

Let's say they stop allowing signatures, what would be the backlash of that? Well for starters, forum traffic drops by 90%. That means forum ads lose their appeal to businesses. Also leading to no income for the forum, ultimately leading to the forum closing down after a period of time. That's what I think would happen anyways. There will be a few happy members of course, but there will be no reason to keep the forum open for the 100 or so users left.


Perhaps the most honest answer. Even I believe that those 100 people who want the forum to be signature-free, won't be as active as they are while wearing the signature.
There are still few (as I know)  who do not wear signatures even though they can easily wear and get accepted everywhere. They are the real ones who would like the signature free forum.
legendary
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I’d stay for sure, this is one of the very best places for information & general bitcoin discussion. I’ve met around 10 people in real life from the Wall Observer & become genuine friends. I’m very glad I found this forum, I would definitely stay here if signature campaigns were removed.

At the moment we have the best of both worlds though Smiley
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