If using cryptocurrencies become a crime, will you be a criminal?

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Quote from: tokeweed on September 30, 2015, 12:31:11 AM

Quote from: point0 on August 24, 2015, 08:04:53 AM

So If using cryptocurrencies become a crime, will you be a criminal AND use it?

Note: Before you reply remember CIA/FBI/NSA/South-park/... Grin

I see it the same as smoking weed. It's all in the legal gray area bitches.

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I love me some gr(a/e)y area. Unfortunately, where I live is attempting to out-law BTC and make it tax-able as an asset..

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Quote from: tokeweed on September 30, 2015, 12:31:11 AM

Quote from: point0 on August 24, 2015, 08:04:53 AM

So If using cryptocurrencies become a crime, will you be a criminal AND use it?

Note: Before you reply remember CIA/FBI/NSA/South-park/... Grin

I see it the same as smoking weed. It's all in the legal gray area bitches.

Man I been smokin weed since long before it was in a legal gray area. They wanna prohibit bitcoin, hell yeah, I'll hold them keys tight and cross any border I please with them. If they wanna label be a criminal, then mark me down as part of the resistance.

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Quote from: tokeweed on September 30, 2015, 12:31:11 AM

Quote from: point0 on August 24, 2015, 08:04:53 AM

So If using cryptocurrencies become a crime, will you be a criminal AND use it?

Note: Before you reply remember CIA/FBI/NSA/South-park/... Grin

I see it the same as smoking weed. It's all in the legal gray area bitches.

Except for the south. They don't play any games in the South..

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Quote from: point0 on August 24, 2015, 08:04:53 AM

So If using cryptocurrencies become a crime, will you be a criminal AND use it?

Note: Before you reply remember CIA/FBI/NSA/South-park/... Grin

I see it the same as smoking weed. It's all in the legal gray area bitches.

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Quote from: point0 on August 24, 2015, 08:04:53 AM

So If using cryptocurrencies become a crime, will you be a criminal AND use it?

Note: Before you reply remember CIA/FBI/NSA/South-park/... Grin

Guilty on all charges. I am sick of banks, I am sick of my mattress. Trezor makes me feel safe. Cool

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Depend on how our goverment control bitcoin as the crime. If goverment already make the policy against bitcoin, so many people will stay away for using bitcoin. But if some people still keep holding or using bitcoin, it can be categorized as the crime that will lead you into jail

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Yes, if what I can get is more what I can lose.

I don't think crypto crime will be equal or worse than drug crime for example

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This thread remind me of replies from Snowden's first tweets. It fits here perfectly.

Oh, dumb girl @Brodalumab deleted her tweet. Anyways, the replies are still there.
She talked about Snowden broke laws. And replies:
"It also used to be a law that people could own slaves. Not a good measure of morality. Go back to Washingon."
"If a law is immoral, it's every person's duty and right to break it".

TL:DR, If law is stupid, don't obey blindly. I'm happy to be a criminal under governments eyes. Lawmakers can't stop me using Bitcoin.

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Quote from: madjules007 on September 29, 2015, 06:03:54 PM

So what could it be, then? Association with drugs, illegal goods? Of course, all forms of money can be associated with such. I'd really be curious to see what legal position would be used to justify this.

There is no reason. It's a purely hypothetical scenario. Bittorrent must've cost content makers countless billions but it's not banned. It's nowt more than a program that's also used for completely legal reasons too.

If Bitcoin did become as relevant as gold to the global economy then it's quite possible a similar executive order could be put into action. I'll bet thousands of tons of gold didn't budge an inch nor would BTC in that scenario.

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In the US the government is slowly taking people rights away. Conspiracy theorist argue that a geopolitical event, false flag, terrorist attack etc could happen and the sheeple will gladly give all their rights away at that point in exchange for protection. If there is a truly anonymous virtual currency in this instance, it could be made illegal. Stranger things have happened. BTW it illegal or not, they wont be stopped.

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To be a gangsta ?

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Quote from: gentlemand on September 29, 2015, 05:58:10 PM

Quote from: twister on September 29, 2015, 04:18:14 AM

If they make it a crime then people who are accepting it for their business will stop doing that and then it will become useless to have it actually, what's the point of having a currency which you can't spend anywhere or buy/sell?

Folks on here often enjoy making comparisons with drugs. If it's illegal they'll just want it more. In Bitcoin's case, er, no. If it's illegal then it becomes utterly useless to almost everyone. Drugs carry on being fun no matter what their legal status is.

One important question in this scenario: What legal basis could be used to prohibit the possession of/transacting with bitcoins? For instance, under Executive Order 6102, possession of monetary gold was criminalized on the basis that hoarding of gold was stagnating the economy. Naturally, this argument falls flat on its face in regards to bitcoin, as bitcoin is virtually irrelevant to the global economy.

So what could it be, then? Association with drugs, illegal goods? Of course, all forms of money can be associated with such. I'd really be curious to see what legal position would be used to justify this.

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Quote from: twister on September 29, 2015, 04:18:14 AM

If they make it a crime then people who are accepting it for their business will stop doing that and then it will become useless to have it actually, what's the point of having a currency which you can't spend anywhere or buy/sell?

Folks on here often enjoy making comparisons with drugs. If it's illegal they'll just want it more. In Bitcoin's case, er, no. If it's illegal then it becomes utterly useless to almost everyone. Drugs carry on being fun no matter what their legal status is.

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I guess I will. Carrying cash may follow the same path. Governments want to control all financial activities, but there will always be wild guys who don't want to be monitored. I don't have a smartphone for that reason.

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Thank you for your time.

Quote from: Kazimir on August 24, 2015, 11:42:18 AM

Whatever, stop this stream of utterly useless suggestive bullshit questions please. We've got enough FUD.

FUD... Fucking Useless Drivel?
And I agree, I am inclined to believe this is a ploy to get people to comment on a thread, so OP can get the mad bitcoinz from sig. campaigns.

What say you?

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I'm not sure if that would happen, at least in this country. Right now is the opposite thing; people that already are criminals use Bitcoin for their methods.

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Quote from: point0 on August 24, 2015, 08:04:53 AM

So If using cryptocurrencies become a crime, will you be a criminal AND use it?

Note: Before you reply remember CIA/FBI/NSA/South-park/... Grin

In short - YES

I believe in bitcoin & everything about it. I want to be my own bank & if bitcoin does rapidly increase in value & you own some why they hell would you comply with the law Wink

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Quote from: NorrisK on September 29, 2015, 02:02:53 AM

I don't think using cryptocurrencies could ever become a crime. That would go against a lot of rights in the constitution. They may try to enforce legislation even harder (e.g. you need some kind of license to send bitcoins?), but arresting you for using bitcoin? I don't see that happening.

OP doesnt want to hear any explaining if using cryptocurrencies is a crime or not. He just asking what you will do if using cryptocurrencies is a crime. Well anyway you'll never know what government is planning for this...

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A Bitcoin transaction is data. For a bitcoin transaction of mine, that data was created on computing hardware that I own using unrestricted software that implements algorithms (e.g., crypto signatures) that I am free to use.

Therefore, it is my right to create and share this data with the world. That right is called free speech.

If there were to be some law that infringes on my right to free speech I might take action to fight that law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience

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Quote from: Kakmakr on September 29, 2015, 02:28:52 AM

I will stop using it. I have a family to think of and no criminal record. I doubt if it will happen in my country, because we have a vibrant Bitcoin economy and a Bitcoin friendly government. I am not saying it will not happen, but the government is getting a lot of extra TAX from this, so they are happy.

I know the Russians and China and Australia are clamping down on Bitcoin use now, so it might happen to them. Australia even banned Chris Brown from entering their country. Roll Eyes

I would not risk going to jail or being fined high amounts of money. It simply wouldn't be worth it. Of course... i think i would not stop using bitcoin. I might go underground and use it only very secure. Though you would need to be cautious with some software. Electrum lately loses my setting to use a proxy with each restart of the wallet. And that already could reveal your identity. So i would need to be very sure about that.

But even when it would become illegal. The fines would surely not be very high. I mean many would not even know that it is illegal. I don't see a justification coming for really high fines.

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