Topic: If you could create a new society from the ground up, what would you do? - page 2. (Read 3514 times)

An online community where you can only gain admission through a rigorous family background check and where all members of the community agree only to marry other members of the community?  I guess it is possible, but people will be tempted to stray from the community, plus it won't be able to provide as much benefit.  Who wants to follow a bunch of strict rules... just to gain membership to a website?  It isn't worth it.

By making a physical community you can eliminate violent crime, and all of its associated costs.  For example Oslo would be a rape-free city if not for immigrants, because all of the hundreds of rapes committed there are committed by immigrants.

Absolutely nothing, but live and let live.

We reep what we sow - and a seed only grows in favourable ground

I don't think any amount of conditioning can change human nature.

Could you have an online community along these lines ? why does it necessarily have to be physical ?

On what grounds would someone gain access to such a community/society ?

Exactly, which is why only my idea works.  My founding population would include only people who do not try to gain power, and whose parents did not try to gain power.  The people in my society would have no desire to rule over others.  I wouldn't need to condition them, they would be born that way.

Someone who has a superiority complex almost always has self worth issues. It's ironic yes but if we removed the self worth issues, the superiority complexes would probably go too. Also, what could be achieved by putting yourself in power that would be any better for you that the situation you are in now?

People are always trying to gain power, and no matter how much conditioning to believe in the system they get, many someones will try to, and eventually successfully, put themselves above everyone else.

Nature is running its course. See the revolutions and riots increasing all over the globe. Man is only under the illusion he is in control.

The herd will soon be culled.

Humanity will survive as long as there is an attainable frontier to reset the cycle from. Then repeat the hamster wheel collective madness again anew.

I disagree, we are bubble wrapping the planet to cater to idiots.  We need to take the safety devices off and let nature run its course. I agree that nothing will change though.  Humans are too greedy of a species.

We are quickly hitting a point of no return. Every species has an expiration date, and lets face it, humans are starting to smell.

All of the upthread comments are nonsense.

There is nothing you could do to make the new civilization have an outcome any different than the one we have already.

Read from the linked post on down to end of thread to educate yourselves:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6864704

I live in a world of very dumb men. Sigh. 

Too many people are focusing on the political system of the new society.  The reality is that the political system will end up reflecting the population's inherent nature, sooner or later.

The solution is to carefully select your people.  Good genetics = good society.  Whatever traits you want society to have make sure that they are abundant in your founding stock.  Additionally you will want a sense of community, so make sure to select a small number of people, so that eventually everyone will have some sort of family connection to everyone else.  I might go with as few as 64 founders, assuming that we would have rapid population growth to cope with inbreeding concerns, though I would probably double or triple that just to be safe.  If population couldn't grow then I would select about 3000 founders.

Reward system for right-doing versus punishment for wrong-doing...
So you turn the current 'person of interest' type mass spying operation from one being targeted at precrimes, and convert it to a system that rewards people with bitcoin who go through their day without either breaking the law or generally being an arsehole...maybe a weekly lottery of all those caught on surveillance doing good, 10 winners a week, 500 satoshi each...

I'd make it kind of like Canada. Free health care, moderate taxes, and diversity.

Currency would be a custom crypto (Maybe), and I'd set up mandatory work requirements unless seriously disabled or sick, but those requirements can have an optional overtime, chosen individually.

I'm not sure what could be used to help the economy... Depends on geography.

I have to think about what else.

accept bitcoin, legalize weed and prostitution (to attract tourists), enjoy the benefits

Nothing will change.

The nature is harsh and competition is the only way to preserve "desire" trait of human/species.

Natural selection is just doing its job to weed out the inflexible.

I will see to it all is treated as one and teach everyone to treat all in the world as his/her own.

I would create a military society like sparta, clone millions of new soldiers. Create enterprise ships from asteroids then conquer and unite earth under one rule.

Yes. I mean Mars One. Mostly I was just curious about what everybody thought about creating a brand-new society where our children and grandchildren will have to live with the consequences of the decisions we make now.

I would probably play a few different simulation games like Civilization and try to optimize society based on the best parts of each civilization in history.
Might even separate areas to experiment with different ideas example China and Hong Kong two systems but one country but pushed further to one specializing in avionics and space development the other country agriculture and deep seafaring technologies.
Try different legal procedures and different laws within countries such as difference between Civil and Common Law or Even Sharia  and develop a system based on all three but using the best of it.
And have fun with society set minimum working age in different countries one 10 one 12 one 14 one 16 one 18
Same with consent and marriage
Then try different types of education systems classic example focus on math in asian countries focus on general arts and creative thinking in Western countries
Play with subsidization in some countries and remove it in others and see how people adapt and where they become the most creative since the brain is more malleable when young does it make sense to be innovative at a younger age and have people learn at older ages or is it better for education to be taught as it is and for the big wigs and corporate structure to be old and unchanging slow to innovate.
Goes into environmental structure so developing the right structure is worth a reanalysis to find and discover the best optimization settings.
Then Try developing a tech paradise in one city and an ecological efficient sustainable city in another.
Rebuild the internet make a mesh-net that uses computing power to try and develop plasma based engines and do formulas that would take significant man time but can be replaced with processing, aka organize big datasets into something useful like is being done with medical research
Replace oil energy with geothermal energy in the long run with solar becoming more efficient and using less energy in the production process
First by sticking rods around Volcanos then finding better processes to acquire the earths internal core temperature
Then using magnetic fields try to utilize that energy into a low density field to store energy since our current systems are limited by live current basically we can't store energy in signifcant amounts to solve that we need to concentrate energy for long durations of time. (Hard light) etc.
Develop new storage systems using DNA sequences to maximize the writing of data
Overall resulting in a bit of a mad scientist as I try to develop cryogenics in my quest for immortality and then creating an interactive virtual world that allows time to pass by faster in it than outside it example 1000 hours in VR is 1 day in reality allowing for more time to develop the outside society within a single human lifetime.

Oh some of this exists already but making scale and improving it is the goal
http://gameslikefinder.com/games-like-civilization/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_magnetic_energy_storage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_legal_systems
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malleability_of_intelligence
www.reed.edu/~mab/papers/fletcher.ab96.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person%E2%80%93environment_fit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_distributed_computing_projects
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_energy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_data
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_digital_data_storage
http://accelworld.wikia.com/wiki/Brain_Burst
www.shs.edu.tw/works/essay/2006/10/2006102810584206.pdf