Topic: If you thought you had found the real satoshi with 99.9% certainty ... (Read 769 times)

Although Satoshi Nakamoto has a big hand in creating digital currency his identity is kept secret in every case. If someone else introduces himself as seven hundred there will be many secrets behind it there have been many attempts many researches to find out his identity, but no one has been able to find out his true identity the amount of bitcoins that he is supposed to have the current value will exceed five billion dollars. But such a genius man who is now one of the most successful people in the world has become the air behind the scenes.

Satoshi is watching and reading everything you all are saying. One day you all will regrate and feel shame of your selves. The way you all are treating man who has done nothing wrong to you but oneday your greed will buy for you not only a  bucket full shame in the multi media but some of you will definitely become a good neighbour of Ross Ulbricht, unless otherwise confess your sin and ask for forgiveness to the man you all are persecuting. What satoshi nakamoto has done wrong to you  ?

Bitcoin has given you a new life a wealthy life but for Satoshi ? You all are causing him a great suffering. This is absolutely barbaric and inhuman. The history will punish you all those causing satoshi to suffer gravely. Get ready, Satoshi nakamoto has saved the word from nuclear war in 2020 as the Trump and Kim were about to start the war in 2019. Satoshis Corona virus protocols has saved the planet earth and has cleansed the air. You have attacked satoshi with Corona virus on 12 February 2920 at the Church of Jesus Christ Later Day Saint in in Exibision road London.  Satoshi nakamoto has recovered then you have attacked him with pokonium. What a greedy people you all are that a man who gave you the Bitcoin and made you rich and you are trying to kill him, this is really horrendous and horrified fact. I am Satoshi Nakamoto speaking. Please leave me alone. For the sake of heaven, leave me alone. This is my final request. Just leave me alone. Enough is enough. Ok you all are Satoshi. Now leave me alone. And let me live my life. 

If you do not leave me alone, I will pronounce nuclear world War lll. Believe me it will happen, same as the Corona virus.

How I do my work you have no knowledge ? This is the final warning. Why just can't you leave me alone ?  Please leave me alone. Other wise I will publish the whole data to the news media and file the case this will create the chaos I do not want to create but you all are forcing me to do it.

Depends, if it was NSA, FBI or any of the sort, then hell yeah, but if it is Torvalds, Tanenbaum, Hellman or any other great mind or group of minds, I'd stay shut and just enjoy the IoT world from different perspective.

Given that we are heading into interchain era, automation, oracles, etc. I'm willing to accept that it might be the first group who's behind it all. We're improving the working mechanisms in ever existent AI powered by all devices connected to internet (IoT) by solving more and more complicated math tasks. Soon games like Sandbox will improve to RDR2 quality and beyond, we'll start spending more and more time in Virtual world, spending virtual currency, feeding of 3d printed food. Welcome to Matrix

We don't have to worry about last one switching off the light, crypto will never die, as it is a powerful means to achieving new world order that has to be perfected by everyday man's input, but it's wrapped in beautiful packaging called lambo and even if people are aware of that, they will still never stop improving it because of the gains. Let's face it, 80% of crypto enthusiasts don't even know how blockchain operates.

I'd like to believe it's just like Nobel's dynamite if shit goes down and technology gets used for wrong reasons, but having met dark side of human nature too many times I am very sceptical.

ok, back to the question:
Yes and No 

I think this is a pretty open and shut case a big resounding NO from the community.

Really great to see that!

 

No.. but its quite intriguing to know.

If I accidentally found out who is hiding behind the name Satoshi, I wouldn't tell the general public about it. Although I generally doubt that someone would pay attention to my statement, since there have already been a lot of assumptions with evidence, even this topic has such.

I think if I found that out I would like to reveal his identity just for fun and information, knowing who created bitcoin is kinda cool and I think its really a thing that everyone should know.

Know who creator made bitcoin is I think will not make a difference at this time and it's not really going to make the market value increase or somehow hype the bitcoin community again.

But I guess it is good information to share with everyone who uses bitcoin even though a lot of people are not going to believe it.

If you thought you had found the real satoshi with 99.9% certainty would you reveal the identity? NO
Would your choice be influenced on the basis that the candidate was already dead or still alive? NO

He created bitcoin which has a concern with privacy.
I love bitcoin.

then:
1. I need to respect his privacy.
2. I am a community guy, I don't want to destroy the community I love.

It's just my simple and personal answer tbh.

I don't know why you're saying 99.9% and not 100%. Anyway, the answer is, of course, no. I don't know how exactly I would have find him, but even if I succeeded on that, I wouldn't want to ruin this mystery. Although, let's be honest, who wouldn't want to know who is he? Even if he was dead, it wouldn't affect me to publish it on an article.

@BitcoinFX, you must be one of the first people that tried bitcoin. In the first topic of the forum, I've seen you posting when satoshi was still active. I don't know if you have even given an interview on zasad@, but I would want to read it.

Nah, unless you want a lot of mics waiting in front of your door the next day.
I don't think it matters anyway on who they really are. No one knew his real identity from the last decade, and I don't think it will do anyway. Maybe we'll just get fake-toshis around.

I voted the same way the majority did, and I'm pleasantly surprised that this is the dominant view in the community. That is, if Satoshi were alive, of course. If Satoshi's dead and I find out, I suppose I'd probably make the info public because this would not affect Satoshi as a person anymore.
If Satoshi is still alive and has not revealed oneself, I think it's a very reasonable assumption that Satoshi does not want the identity to be revealed. I mean, the person's got strong nerves sitting out everything Craig is doing! Unless, of course, Craig is Satoshi and then he's already revealed himself as my friend believes 
If there were a huge financial reward for the revelation, I want to think I would not go for it and would keep quiet, but I am not so sure.

If I would have found out his identity I would certainly not reveal it to anybody because that would just create a panic in the community.
It might turn bad for bitcoin, you never know. The most important thing is it would bring Satoshi and myself into the limelight and who knows what that limelight may bring for us. There are many people who are against bitcoin and if they come to know about it then both of our lives would be in danger.
Also, bitcoin is going really good without Satoshi and I would like it to be that way.

I'm not sure you can be so sure about that. I wouldn't be sure anyway 

There are two now as of this posting. 39 votes no.

I voted no and it will remain no even if he's dead. It would be dangerous to all his relatives and friends in case his identity is revealed. People and authorities will probably try everything, including hurting and threatening them, to get access to all his bitcoins.

I was proud of pretty much everybody voting "no" in this poll. I thought there'd be a few more people out there that would vote "yes" but I guess the trolls and/or rats are taking the day off.

I notice you posted this on Reddit about 3 years ago but I read most of it:


You seem like you truly believe you've found him with 99.9% certainty.

I also want to know Satoshi's identity but it's impossible for me, and I'm sure many people don't know Satoshi didn't reveal his identity either. many people who want to know satoshi's identity but to no avail, i am sure satoshi's identity will be secret forever.

I think I wouldn't reveal Satoshi's identity too. I also think that it is not very important for people whether knowing the real identity of the inventor of Bitcoin or not. The important thing is learning about Bitcoin correctly.

No one didn't reveal thre true identity of Satoshi and no one will unless he wants it to. He knows how to hide himself and he has full right to do it
Revealing his identity isn't crucial for Bitcoin community and I can understand curiosity but really people should be less obsessed with the fact who Satoshi really is.

Yes.

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Is Satoshi Nakamoto Mike Hearn?
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There are many coincidences involving a Mike Hearn and Satoshi Nakamoto connection.   Though many of you will automatically reject the notion because you dislike Mike Hearn, I would suggest you at least entertain the idea’s possibility. I have seen Mike Hearn on the long list of “Satoshi candidates” posted on bitcointalk but I have never seen anyone explore the idea.

Besides Mike being British and Satoshi using British English my first inclination to even consider Mike Hearn as being Satoshi Nakamoto was that Mike’s bitcointalk.org profile was created 1 day after Satoshi last logged in to the forum.

Satoshi’s profile:  https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/satoshi-3
Mike’s profile:  https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mike-hearn-2700

Mike’s bitcointalk presence began 1 day 53 minutes and 13 seconds after Satoshi’s bitcointalk presence ended. Almost exactly 1 day separating their profiles seemed odd to me especially considering the impact Mike had in development later on.
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Why would Satoshi Nakamoto hide his real identity?

The people who created the precursors to Bitcoin were not anonymous. Satoshi even referenced multiple influences by name in his whitepaper like Wei Dai, Ralph Merkle, and Adam Back. So why did the person behind Satoshi feel the need to remain anonymous? There doesn’t seem to be any precedent in the small niche of people who attempted to make digital/electronic cash. A lot of people are constantly regurgitating the idea that Satoshi knew how big Bitcoin would become and that Governments or nefarious people would want to hunt him down for his bitcoin holdings or for simply inventing bitcoin.
In reality, Satoshi didn’t even know if his invention would gain traction. Satoshi didn’t know he would be one of a handful of users running bitcoin in the first year which would allow him to mine as many blocks as he did. Satoshi didn’t know how much bitcoin would actually be worth.

So I think the better question is why would Mike Hearn hide is identity?

Mike Hearn in mid August 2006 was hired on by Google as a Site Reliability Engineer (http://web.archive.org/web/20090514053312/http://mikehearn.wordpress.com:80/2006/08/)

Why would an employee of Google secretly develop something? Well, Google themselves sum it up pretty nicely here: “As part of your employment agreement, Google most likely owns intellectual property (IP) you create while at the company. Because Google’s business interests are so wide and varied, this likely applies to any personal project you have. That includes new development on personal projects you created prior to employment at Google.“ (https://opensource.google.com/docs/iarc/ )

Here Mike was indeed fully aware of Google’s policy when he released bitcoinj as a Google copyrighted project under the Apache 2 license: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61438
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61658

Then here he is emailing Satoshi (himself ) a few hours after the bitcointalk announcement:
https://pastebin.com/JF3USKFT

I have no idea how long it takes Google to vet an employee project and license it, but combine that with building bitcoinj and doing that all under 3 months seems fast. What do I know, maybe bitcoinj was a pretty simple project.

I wonder what Google would have done with Bitcoin had Satoshi been an employee of Google?

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Mike claiming he supposedly “coined the term SPV”.  Or, did he?
Here is Peter Todd https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/649413412158599168 and here is the reddit thread to go along with it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3n1ydp/peter_todd_on_twitter_mike_hearn_claiming_he/

The term “SPV” does not appear in the whitepaper but its meaning does. Simplified Payment Verification is section 8 of the whitepaper.  Did Mike slip and just inadvertently hint to him being the real Satoshi? Upon further investigation Mike had claimed months earlier that he coined the term “SPV wallet”.  https://medium.com/@octskyward/the-capacity-cliff-586d1bf7715e So he could have meant to say SPV wallet when Peter Todd was calling him out or maybe he did mean to say just “SPV”. Still not the smoking gun but interesting that he would throw that around knowing full well that Simplified Payment Verification was in the Whitepaper.

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[After writing this up, Mike just released all his private Satoshi Emails through a user named CipherionX. Mike did show up in a reddit thread to confirm that they came from him and are indeed not fake. Bitcointalk link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/new-satoshi-emails-2080206
Reddit link to Mike’s post: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6t2ci2/never_before_seen_mike_hearn_satoshi_nakamoto/dliizv6/ ]
It is very plausible that in order to remain separate from something, that someone would in fact have email conversations between himself and an alias as “proof” that they are completely different independent people. Of course this would only make sense if the emails were made public at some point. Well guess what?  Mike just made them public and Mike also attempted to divulge them to Charles Hoskinson in 2013 who did not release them to the public.

If the dates can be trusted, Mike’s email leak serves as proof that he was there early on even if he was corresponding with himself Besides the new email dump the only known public involvement that I could find was here on the sourceforge forum in October 2009: https://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/bitcoin-list/thread/f4cd80640910240804m64ba45f1g216905fc9db16a2%40mail.gmail.com/#msg23827020 . 

Why did Mike not use Sourceforge as he posted openly so frequently in other project lists or forums? Are there posts that I haven’t seen from early on?


Mike did produce an email he sent to Satoshi In April of 2009 here in this thread: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/54-my-first-message-to-satoshi/ which does correspond with the new email dump.  An interesting thing I noticed in the above link is that Mike stated, But Mike continued to capitalize Bitcoin as BitCoin not just in that email but until May 14, 2011. Why is that interesting? Well, every thread and post he responded to that mentioned the word bitcoin didn’t capitalize the “C” ever. It would seem like he was almost doing it on purpose to show what a noob he was to the project. Oh then he of course points out the fact that he was a newbie for capitalizing bitcoin that way. It is odd that he continued to use that spelling without regard to how everyone else was spelling it and then later direct people’s attention to the fact that he use to spell it that way early on.
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Also, what is odd about Mike’s involvement early on is that it doesn’t really parallel with his natural online demeanor. He is very vocal and has an involved online presence yet he just really isn’t vocal during the early stages of Bitcoin. Even his personal blog posts came to a halt in early 2009. https://web.archive.org/web/20111130084418/http://mikehearn.wordpress.com:80/ For someone who is  generally very active online before Bitcoin and then after Satoshi’s disappearence, I find it peculiar that there is a dead silence period from Mike Hearn while Satoshi existed online.
Mike went Facebook silent from July 23, 2007 to March 8, 2011 which also coincides with Satoshi’s existence and pre-release development of Bitcoin. https://www.facebook.com/i.am.the.real.mike?lst=662933243%3A61203304%3A1502324015

The next step in my exploration of this idea was to create a calendar of time periods where Satoshi was silent on the forums. For example, Satoshi was silent on the forum from March 24, 2010 until May 16, 2010. I am guessing this is a period when Satoshi was away from his home travelling or vacationing. I was wanting to then correspond them with known dates when Mike was on vacations or at a conference, but as I stated above MIke wasn’t very public during Satoshi’s presence. If anyone knows of any of the potential Satoshis that were vacationing, hospitalized (Hal?), or travelling during that March to May gap in 2010, it would be a good link to the real Satoshi.

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Hal Finney was also involved at the start only to leave and eventually return. He came back a month before Satoshi departed though.  Hal was the recipient of bitcoins first transaction and helped Satoshi troubleshoot early problems [Suspicious link removed]j.com/public/resources/documents/finneynakamotoemails.pdf

Their correspondence lead me to believe that Satoshi may have had either a rapport or at the least some familiarity with Hal. I decided to search Mike Hearn and Hal Finney together which turned up a nice find. Here, https://sourceforge.net/p/tboot/mailman/tboot-devel/?style=threaded&viewmonth=200807 Mike and Hal are talking about Trusted Computing back in July 2008, just months before the bitcoin whitepaper surfaced. Unfortunately I don’t quite fully understand Trusted Computing and the reason Mike Hearn was inquiring about a trusted web browser or how it would relate to Bitcoin, However, I did also find this thread from Mike Hearn that Hal Finney later resurrected about TC: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/avoiding-theft-using-trusted-computing-67508 And even more interesting, Hal Finney later wrote in his brief memoir of bitcoin, “Bitcoin and Me”, posted on the bitcointalk forum (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-and-me-hal-finney-155054)  that he was currently “working on something Mike Hearn suggested, using the security features of modern processors, designed to support "Trusted Computing", to harden Bitcoin wallets.” Was Mike Hearn originally researching a use for trusted computing in Bitcoin but never implemented it only to later pass it on to Hal FInney as a “suggestion”?  Mike on Google+ posted a link to Hal’s TC project when he learned Hal passed away and linked to Hal’s post on BTCtalk (https://plus.google.com/+MikeHearn ; https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-bcflick-using-tpms-and-trusted-computing-to-strengthen-bitcoin-wallets-154290 )

So,

here is Satoshi stating he started working on bitcoin in 2007 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1617,
here Satoshi said he was done writing Bitcoin by July 2008 because that is when Google protocol buffers was made public”I looked at Google protocol buffers when they were released last year, but I had already written everything by then.” https://pastebin.com/Na5FwkQ4
and then above Mike Hearn in July 2008 is seeking guidance from Hal about trusted computing and then Hal working on trusted computing application on the suggestion of Mike for bitcoin. Ok why? Well bitcoin was done by July 2007 when Mike was inquiring about TC and Hal was working on a TC application later, meaning that TC has some application not related to the core of bitcoin but rather to a peripheral of bitcoin.
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[Weak] Searching for more clues about Satoshi I came across a colloquial/slang term that he used. “Hack on” was used by Satoshi in the context of “work on”. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13206
I found multiple instances where Mike Hearn used the same exact term in the same context: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-April/007779.html
http://bitcoin-development.narkive.com/hczWIAby/bitcoin-development-cartographer
https://web.archive.org/web/20170628004052/http://www.advogato.org/person/mikehearn/
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2003-March/msg00031.html
I do admit the “hack on” argument is lame evidence as it is somewhat common term. However, not everyone used it in that context (like Hal Finney didn’t) and it does add to the list of coincidences.
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[Warning: Reaching] Another super weak semi-coincidence is Mike Hearns birthday. Mike’s birthday is April 17th, 1984. Satoshi’s birthday was chosen as April 5th, 1975. I don’t know about you, but a lot of times when I have to enter a birthday in a service where I don’t want them knowing the truth, I usually always use my real birth month with fake day and year. [More reaching] adding 1975’s digits equal adding 1984’s digits/ 7+5=12 and 8+4=12.

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According to Mike Hearn, Satoshi “communicated with a few of the core developers before leaving. He told myself and Gavin that he had moved on to other things and that the project was in good hands.“ https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1558053 This is also backed up by the new email release here:
https://pastebin.com/syrmi3ET   
Mike- “I had a few other things on my mind (as always). One is, are you planning on rejoining the community at some point (eg for code reviews), or is your plan to permanently step back from the limelight?”
Satoshi- “I've moved on to other things.  It's in good hands with Gavin and everyone.”
The above communication is supposedly the first time anyone heard that Satoshi was leaving for good and it was none other than Mike Hearn as the recipient. Then a few days later Satoshi told Gavin the same thing.

None of these things points or alludes to Mike being Satoshi by themselves. But I do think that all these things together do paint a possible connection. Mike denied being Satoshi when I emailed him and also didn’t seem to care that I would post these things online attempting to connect him to Satoshi.

There is still nobody says "Yes" to the question including me on the poll. I wouldn't reveal the real identity of Satoshi. Because I think there must be a reason for Satoshi not revealing his/her/their identity. If I reveal it, it might cause to some big problems who knows.