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Quote from: Atlas on October 12, 2012, 11:01:11 AM

Quote from: mobodick on October 12, 2012, 11:00:08 AM

Quote from: Atlas on October 12, 2012, 10:51:36 AM

Bitcoins are like my home. To tell me to leave my home or place my home in abandoned wasteland does not give me choice. It is basically win or lose and you are asking me to lose.

Reminds me of a person living for free in a subway cart and calling it his home.
And then complains to the driver that the heating is broken...

Except Gavin Andresen and Co. are not the drivers. Satoshi was and he left. It's all free game now.

Yes, so we come back to the point that has been discussed over and over.
If it is a free game for all then why don't you make your own coin?
My guess is you woudn't know where to start and that is why you complain.

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Quote from: Atlas on October 12, 2012, 10:58:45 AM

Quote from: mobodick on October 12, 2012, 10:56:19 AM

Quote from: Atlas on October 12, 2012, 10:51:36 AM

If I just wanted "Bitcoins" to play around with like a kid and monopoly money, I would of created an alternate chain right now. That does not answer my concerns, at all -- AT ALL. The only thing worth defending is what we have now.

I am invested in a large sum of Bitcoins. I am guessing you guys have none. This is just a game for you, isn't it?

But if your concerns were valid a differnt coin with properties you seek should take off and become better than bitcoin. So it would be stupid not to do it if you realy think it's that important.
You would just transfer your bitcoins to the new coin and according to you it should outperform bitcoin (as bitcoin usability and thus growth is hampered by current development).
If what you ask for is really important then you have no way to lose.

No, success isn't guaranteed. The liquidity and support we have for Bitcoin is not a widely available commodity.

I don't even seek different properties. I like what we have now but I am afraid of future change proposed by a trusted and central developer. I am just speaking against possible dangers. That does not require me to run off and reinvent the wheel.

Like it or leave it doesn't apply in this case. It's actually like it and protect it.

This liquidity you talk of has been built up in just 2 years. That's peanuts.
And the things you speak of here are not what your OP was about.
You said you hate the devs and called them autists because they don't implement the features you want.
You were pretty specific.

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Quote from: mobodick on October 12, 2012, 11:00:08 AM

Quote from: Atlas on October 12, 2012, 10:51:36 AM

Bitcoins are like my home. To tell me to leave my home or place my home in abandoned wasteland does not give me choice. It is basically win or lose and you are asking me to lose.

Reminds me of a person living for free in a subway cart and calling it his home.
And then complains to the driver that the heating is broken...

Sounds more like religion to me. There's even the whole "Waiting for the Messiah to return" thing.

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Quote from: mobodick on October 12, 2012, 11:00:08 AM

Quote from: Atlas on October 12, 2012, 10:51:36 AM

Bitcoins are like my home. To tell me to leave my home or place my home in abandoned wasteland does not give me choice. It is basically win or lose and you are asking me to lose.

Reminds me of a person living for free in a subway cart and calling it his home.
And then complains to the driver that the heating is broken...

Except Gavin Andresen and Co. are not the drivers. Satoshi was and he left. It's all free game now.

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Quote from: Atlas on October 12, 2012, 10:51:36 AM

Bitcoins are like my home. To tell me to leave my home or place my home in abandoned wasteland does not give me choice. It is basically win or lose and you are asking me to lose.

Reminds me of a person living for free in a subway cart and calling it his home.
And then complains to the driver that the heating is broken...

Atlas

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Quote from: mobodick on October 12, 2012, 10:56:19 AM

Quote from: Atlas on October 12, 2012, 10:51:36 AM

If I just wanted "Bitcoins" to play around with like a kid and monopoly money, I would of created an alternate chain right now. That does not answer my concerns, at all -- AT ALL. The only thing worth defending is what we have now.

I am invested in a large sum of Bitcoins. I am guessing you guys have none. This is just a game for you, isn't it?

But if your concerns were valid a differnt coin with properties you seek should take off and become better than bitcoin. So it would be stupid not to do it if you realy think it's that important.
You would just transfer your bitcoins to the new coin and according to you it should outperform bitcoin (as bitcoin usability and thus growth is hampered by current development).
If what you ask for is really important then you have no way to lose.

No, success isn't guaranteed. The liquidity and support we have for Bitcoin is not a widely available commodity.

I don't even seek different properties. I like what we have now but I am afraid of future change proposed by a trusted and central developer. I am just speaking against possible dangers. That does not require me to run off and reinvent the wheel.

Like it or leave it doesn't apply in this case. It's actually like it and protect it.

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Quote from: Atlas on October 12, 2012, 10:51:36 AM

If I just wanted "Bitcoins" to play around with like a kid and monopoly money, I would of created an alternate chain right now. That does not answer my concerns, at all -- AT ALL. The only thing worth defending is what we have now.

I am invested in a large sum of Bitcoins. I am guessing you guys have none. This is just a game for you, isn't it?

But if your concerns were valid a differnt coin with properties you seek should take off and become better than bitcoin. So it would be stupid not to do it if you really think it's that important.
You would just transfer your bitcoins to the new coin and according to you it should outperform bitcoin (as bitcoin usability and thus growth is hampered by current development).
If what you ask for is really important then you have no way to lose.

Atlas

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If I just wanted "Bitcoins" to play around with like a kid and monopoly money, I would of created an alternate chain right now. That does not answer my concerns, at all -- AT ALL. The only thing worth defending is what we have now.

I am invested in a large sum of Bitcoins. I am guessing you guys have none. This is just a game for you, isn't it?

Bitcoins are like my home. To tell me to leave my home or place my home in abandoned wasteland does not give me choice. It is basically win or lose and you are asking me to lose.

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Quote from: Richy_T on October 12, 2012, 10:48:45 AM

Quote from: Atlas on October 12, 2012, 10:43:46 AM

Except a fork in this case creates an entirely different currency. I don't want to reduce the value of the Bitcoins I have now or see them reduced.

Not really. As long as it implements the same underlying protocol, it is still bitcoins.

No, no it is not. I will not get $12 and upwards for an alternate Bitcoin not supported by most of the community.

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Quote from: Atlas on October 12, 2012, 10:43:46 AM

Except a fork in this case creates an entirely different currency. I don't want to reduce the value of the Bitcoins I have now or see them reduced.

Not really. As long as it implements the same underlying protocol, it is still bitcoins.

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Quote from: ShadowOfHarbringer on October 12, 2012, 06:41:23 AM

Quote from: Atlas on October 11, 2012, 03:51:28 PM

Quote from: Richy_T on October 11, 2012, 03:40:10 PM

Quote from: ElectricMucus on October 11, 2012, 02:52:05 PM

Messias complexes usually end in the mental hospital.

Unfortunately, as the ones wearing badges which say "Doctor"

http://www.ted.com/talks/tim_harford.html

Apparently the "god complex" issue applies to this subject very well. We can either act on proposed solutions by a central authority and trust that authority or we can improve through trial-and-error with various solutions.

There still is one concept you simply can't grasp:

What you said above is not how open source projects work. In open source world, once most of people don't like the decision of the "central authority", they make a fork, and majority starts using the fork.

Examples are many. Gnome 3 -> Mate, MySQL -> MariaDB/Percona, OpenOffice -> LibreOffice. This really works.

And I am not even mentioning completely alternative (not forked) projects...

Except a fork in this case creates an entirely different currency. I don't want to reduce the value of the Bitcoins I have now or see them reduced.

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Quote from: Atlas on October 11, 2012, 03:51:28 PM

Quote from: Richy_T on October 11, 2012, 03:40:10 PM

Quote from: ElectricMucus on October 11, 2012, 02:52:05 PM

Messias complexes usually end in the mental hospital.

Unfortunately, as the ones wearing badges which say "Doctor"

http://www.ted.com/talks/tim_harford.html

Apparently the "god complex" issue applies to this subject very well. We can either act on proposed solutions by a central authority and trust that authority or we can improve through trial-and-error with various solutions.

There still is one concept you simply can't grasp:

What you said above is not how open source projects work. In open source world, once most of people don't like the decision of the "central authority", they make a fork, and majority starts using the fork.

Examples are many. Gnome 3 -> Mate, MySQL -> MariaDB/Percona, OpenOffice -> LibreOffice. This really works.

And I am not even mentioning completely alternative (not forked) projects...

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Quote from: Atlas on October 11, 2012, 03:51:28 PM

Quote from: Richy_T on October 11, 2012, 03:40:10 PM

Quote from: ElectricMucus on October 11, 2012, 02:52:05 PM

Messias complexes usually end in the mental hospital.

Unfortunately, as the ones wearing badges which say "Doctor"

http://www.ted.com/talks/tim_harford.html

Apparently the "god complex" issue applies to this subject very well. We can either act on proposed solutions by a central authority and trust that authority or we can improve through trial-and-error with various solutions.

Sure, so again, why don't you go and make your own variation?

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So, basically you wrote a post agreeing with me, yet made it somehow seem that you were correcting me. Wink

Yep, I indeed misconstrued your post to mean that people should either learn how Bitcoin works or not use it at all, and apologize for the misunderstanding.

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Quote from: Richy_T on October 11, 2012, 03:40:10 PM

Quote from: ElectricMucus on October 11, 2012, 02:52:05 PM

Messias complexes usually end in the mental hospital.

Unfortunately, as the ones wearing badges which say "Doctor"

http://www.ted.com/talks/tim_harford.html

Apparently the "god complex" issue applies to this subject very well. We can either act on proposed solutions by a central authority and trust that authority or we can improve through trial-and-error with various solutions.

mobodick

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Quote from: ElectricMucus on October 11, 2012, 03:45:39 PM

Quote from: Richy_T on October 11, 2012, 03:40:10 PM

Quote from: ElectricMucus on October 11, 2012, 02:52:05 PM

Messias complexes usually end in the mental hospital.

Unfortunately, as the ones wearing badges which say "Doctor"

Agreed, todays mental health treatment is the equivalent to bloodletting using leeches.

Jesus, then you better not read about how it worked 100 years ago...
They were making lobotobots at industrial speed.

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Quote from: Richy_T on October 11, 2012, 03:40:10 PM

Quote from: ElectricMucus on October 11, 2012, 02:52:05 PM

Messias complexes usually end in the mental hospital.

Unfortunately, as the ones wearing badges which say "Doctor"

Agreed, todays mental health treatment is the equivalent to bloodletting using leeches.

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Quote from: ElectricMucus on October 11, 2012, 02:52:05 PM

Messias complexes usually end in the mental hospital.

Unfortunately, as the ones wearing badges which say "Doctor"

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Quote from: ChrisKoss on October 11, 2012, 03:26:10 PM

Quote from: Atlas on October 11, 2012, 01:47:47 PM

Unremorsefully. Autists have destroyed companies and they do not make marketable and successful products. Google OpenMoko.

Welp, Atlas has received 4 pages of well thought out responses, but only responds to nitpick minor points. He doesn't want discussion, he wants to make-believe that he is an important member of the community just for being the most whiny person here.

This is a troll thread. It's disappointing, but all the well-written replies appear to have been in vain. He doesn't listen, he just wants to be heard. This is just a sad cry for attention.

Oh, I listen. I may not accept the conjecture but I listen.

Philosophical differences do not have to be resolved.

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Quote from: Atlas on October 11, 2012, 01:47:47 PM

Unremorsefully. Autists have destroyed companies and they do not make marketable and successful products. Google OpenMoko.

Welp, Atlas has received 4 pages of well thought out responses, but only responds to nitpick minor points. He doesn't want discussion, he wants to make-believe that he is an important member of the community just for being the most whiny person here.

This is a troll thread. It's disappointing, but all the well-written replies appear to have been in vain. He doesn't listen, he just wants to be heard. This is just a sad cry for attention.

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