Illinois Just Made it a Felony for Its Citizens to Record the Police

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Is it a good thing this didn't happen in Illinois?

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-beat-man-7-month-pregnant-wife-deleted-video-survived-cloud/

icloud apparently saved the video before the officer deleted it from the device so the "shooter" managed to retrieve it.

Yep, inadmissible in court doesn't mean it isn't admissible in the court of public opinion. Live casting services are your best protection against abusive thieving cops trying to destroy your property to hide their crimes.

I was asking the question because if this was in Illinois, he could be charged with a felony? The police could then go to his home and take him into custody. What happens after that, who could say?

The police can (and will) charge you with anything. I would like to think that the DA has better sense than to try to pursue felony wire tapping charges against a guy who recorded a cop beating his pregnant wife to death. The optimist in me wants to believe that would bring a nightmare of public outrage.

There has been a nightmare of pubic outrage lasting for decades in the US, yet bloody tyranny grows ever stronger.

A nightmare of public outrage for decades? This is news to me! Huh

Yeah, man - ever since the Internet. All sorts of people clacking away on their keyboards, looking at the worrying amount of police brutality and mis-re-appropriation going on - and they're sick of it, so they vent and relieve the stress so when they finally do encounter a police officer, they can exchange polite howdie-dos and mosey on to their destination (outside the weirdos filming shouting "AM I BEING DETAINED?!" at an officer who pulled him over for going 120mph on a dirt road). Every day at work, we make fun of whoever was pulled over that day by those blood-sucking cock-fuckers... and if "dey shoot mah dogs, dey gon' haffa go through me, 'cause dey like my sons."

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Quote from: desertfox470 on December 29, 2014, 12:07:34 AM

I really don't like that it is a felony, although there are some annoying people who record police instead of just cooperating with them. It does keep the police in check though when there are cameras on them.

Recording the police and cooperating with them can be done hand in hand, although there are only a very limited number of instances when you are required to follow the instructions of the police, mainly when you are suspected of a crime (based on probable cause).

To record the police is an attempt to force them to be held accountable to follow the law

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Quote from: desertfox470 on December 29, 2014, 12:07:34 AM

I really don't like that it is a felony, although there are some annoying people who record police instead of just cooperating with them. It does keep the police in check though when there are cameras on them.

It is already against the law to interfere with the police. This is additional and egregiously unnecessary expansion of power for intimidation's sake.

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Quote from: desertfox470 on December 29, 2014, 12:07:34 AM

I really don't like that it is a felony, although there are some annoying people who record police instead of just cooperating with them. It does keep the police in check though when there are cameras on them.

It's writ large that cameras do not keep the police in check. Not even the cameras that police WANT. RIP Bryce Dion, et al.

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I really don't like that it is a felony, although there are some annoying people who record police instead of just cooperating with them. It does keep the police in check though when there are cameras on them.

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That's besides my point, but even if every single victim were live-streaming (and recording to backup servers) their own murder by government, it still wouldn't result in any real punishment most of the time.

As we are light-years past the level of tyrannical triggers for the US Revolutionary War, I question whether even open democide (US government-run death camps, ovens, mass graves, etc) in the US would cause innocents to rise up and put an end to this shit.

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I agree with this. A lot of people go around, recording cops and purposely irritating them. It's hard to work under pressure especially when people keep on pushing and pushing you. There are already video recorders and cameras in the cars of many cops so if people have complaints they can always get a judge to allow access to the videos in order to make a claim. People who record cops usually do it because they are pretentious douche bags... just saying.

Yeah, I also get annoyed when douch bags try to interrupt my important work of stealing and gang violence. It's hard for me to appropriate your possesions, break up your family, and destroy economic infrastructure when you are taking local measurements of the aether nearby me. Why don't you just talk to my boss? He will set you straight Wink

The thing is that recording the police doing their work does not impede their work. The police need to follow the law just like everyone else does and recording them is one way to prove that they have or have not broken the law. The police does not need to do anything different regardless of if they are being recorded

They claim it does, and more often than not, they get away without any real punishment for violating the civil rights of their recorders.

On a NPV level it increases the accountability of the police. Even if they are only held accountable a small percentage of the time, they will likely almost never be held accountable when there is no recording at all

The proper response to being murdered by a government agent is not to hold up a camera which will then be destroyed by your murderer, or if not, won't guarantee life imprisonment or death for your murderer.

Being illegal is not going to stop the recording. It is only going to make it covert, and the publication anonymous.

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I agree with this. A lot of people go around, recording cops and purposely irritating them. It's hard to work under pressure especially when people keep on pushing and pushing you. There are already video recorders and cameras in the cars of many cops so if people have complaints they can always get a judge to allow access to the videos in order to make a claim. People who record cops usually do it because they are pretentious douche bags... just saying.

Yeah, I also get annoyed when douch bags try to interrupt my important work of stealing and gang violence. It's hard for me to appropriate your possesions, break up your family, and destroy economic infrastructure when you are taking local measurements of the aether nearby me. Why don't you just talk to my boss? He will set you straight Wink

The thing is that recording the police doing their work does not impede their work. The police need to follow the law just like everyone else does and recording them is one way to prove that they have or have not broken the law. The police does not need to do anything different regardless of if they are being recorded

They claim it does, and more often than not, they get away without any real punishment for violating the civil rights of their recorders.

On a NPV level it increases the accountability of the police. Even if they are only held accountable a small percentage of the time, they will likely almost never be held accountable when there is no recording at all

The proper response to being murdered by a government agent is not to hold up a camera which will then be destroyed by your murderer, or if not, won't guarantee life imprisonment or death for your murderer.

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Quote from: michaeladair on December 09, 2014, 10:20:44 PM

I agree with this. A lot of people go around, recording cops and purposely irritating them. It's hard to work under pressure especially when people keep on pushing and pushing you. There are already video recorders and cameras in the cars of many cops so if people have complaints they can always get a judge to allow access to the videos in order to make a claim. People who record cops usually do it because they are pretentious douche bags... just saying.

Yeah, I also get annoyed when douch bags try to interrupt my important work of stealing and gang violence. It's hard for me to appropriate your possesions, break up your family, and destroy economic infrastructure when you are taking local measurements of the aether nearby me. Why don't you just talk to my boss? He will set you straight Wink

The thing is that recording the police doing their work does not impede their work. The police need to follow the law just like everyone else does and recording them is one way to prove that they have or have not broken the law. The police does not need to do anything different regardless of if they are being recorded

They claim it does, and more often than not, they get away without any real punishment for violating the civil rights of their recorders.

On a NPV level it increases the accountability of the police. Even if they are only held accountable a small percentage of the time, they will likely almost never be held accountable when there is no recording at all

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Quote from: hashman on December 25, 2014, 12:30:32 AM

Quote from: michaeladair on December 09, 2014, 10:20:44 PM

I agree with this. A lot of people go around, recording cops and purposely irritating them. It's hard to work under pressure especially when people keep on pushing and pushing you. There are already video recorders and cameras in the cars of many cops so if people have complaints they can always get a judge to allow access to the videos in order to make a claim. People who record cops usually do it because they are pretentious douche bags... just saying.

Yeah, I also get annoyed when douch bags try to interrupt my important work of stealing and gang violence. It's hard for me to appropriate your possesions, break up your family, and destroy economic infrastructure when you are taking local measurements of the aether nearby me. Why don't you just talk to my boss? He will set you straight Wink

The thing is that recording the police doing their work does not impede their work. The police need to follow the law just like everyone else does and recording them is one way to prove that they have or have not broken the law. The police does not need to do anything different regardless of if they are being recorded

They claim it does, and more often than not, they get away without any real punishment for violating the civil rights of their recorders.

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Quote from: hashman on December 25, 2014, 12:30:32 AM

Quote from: michaeladair on December 09, 2014, 10:20:44 PM

I agree with this. A lot of people go around, recording cops and purposely irritating them. It's hard to work under pressure especially when people keep on pushing and pushing you. There are already video recorders and cameras in the cars of many cops so if people have complaints they can always get a judge to allow access to the videos in order to make a claim. People who record cops usually do it because they are pretentious douche bags... just saying.

Yeah, I also get annoyed when douch bags try to interrupt my important work of stealing and gang violence. It's hard for me to appropriate your possesions, break up your family, and destroy economic infrastructure when you are taking local measurements of the aether nearby me. Why don't you just talk to my boss? He will set you straight Wink

The thing is that recording the police doing their work does not impede their work. The police need to follow the law just like everyone else does and recording them is one way to prove that they have or have not broken the law. The police does not need to do anything different regardless of if they are being recorded

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Quote from: michaeladair on December 09, 2014, 10:20:44 PM

I agree with this. A lot of people go around, recording cops and purposely irritating them. It's hard to work under pressure especially when people keep on pushing and pushing you. There are already video recorders and cameras in the cars of many cops so if people have complaints they can always get a judge to allow access to the videos in order to make a claim. People who record cops usually do it because they are pretentious douche bags... just saying.

Yeah, I also get annoyed when douch bags try to interrupt my important work of stealing and gang violence. It's hard for me to appropriate your possesions, break up your family, and destroy economic infrastructure when you are taking local measurements of the aether nearby me. Why don't you just talk to my boss? He will set you straight Wink

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Quote from: jaysabi on December 23, 2014, 11:02:20 AM

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Quote from: NewLiberty on December 17, 2014, 03:16:22 AM

Is it a good thing this didn't happen in Illinois?

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-beat-man-7-month-pregnant-wife-deleted-video-survived-cloud/

icloud apparently saved the video before the officer deleted it from the device so the "shooter" managed to retrieve it.

Yep, inadmissible in court doesn't mean it isn't admissible in the court of public opinion. Live casting services are your best protection against abusive thieving cops trying to destroy your property to hide their crimes.

I was asking the question because if this was in Illinois, he could be charged with a felony? The police could then go to his home and take him into custody. What happens after that, who could say?

The police can (and will) charge you with anything. I would like to think that the DA has better sense than to try to pursue felony wire tapping charges against a guy who recorded a cop beating his pregnant wife to death. The optimist in me wants to believe that would bring a nightmare of public outrage.

Sometimes people just die in jail and never make it to a trial. Some are unexplained, others are "suicides" or "natural causes". I hear it is not a fun place and can be depressing or stressful.

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Quote from: NewLiberty on December 17, 2014, 03:45:16 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on December 17, 2014, 03:34:12 AM

Quote from: NewLiberty on December 17, 2014, 03:16:22 AM

Is it a good thing this didn't happen in Illinois?

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-beat-man-7-month-pregnant-wife-deleted-video-survived-cloud/

icloud apparently saved the video before the officer deleted it from the device so the "shooter" managed to retrieve it.

Yep, inadmissible in court doesn't mean it isn't admissible in the court of public opinion. Live casting services are your best protection against abusive thieving cops trying to destroy your property to hide their crimes.

I was asking the question because if this was in Illinois, he could be charged with a felony? The police could then go to his home and take him into custody. What happens after that, who could say?

The police can (and will) charge you with anything. I would like to think that the DA has better sense than to try to pursue felony wire tapping charges against a guy who recorded a cop beating his pregnant wife to death. The optimist in me wants to believe that would bring a nightmare of public outrage.

There has been a nightmare of pubic outrage lasting for decades in the US, yet bloody tyranny grows ever stronger.

A nightmare of public outrage for decades? This is news to me! Huh

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Quote from: NewLiberty on December 17, 2014, 03:45:16 AM

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Quote from: NewLiberty on December 17, 2014, 03:16:22 AM

Is it a good thing this didn't happen in Illinois?

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-beat-man-7-month-pregnant-wife-deleted-video-survived-cloud/

icloud apparently saved the video before the officer deleted it from the device so the "shooter" managed to retrieve it.

Yep, inadmissible in court doesn't mean it isn't admissible in the court of public opinion. Live casting services are your best protection against abusive thieving cops trying to destroy your property to hide their crimes.

I was asking the question because if this was in Illinois, he could be charged with a felony? The police could then go to his home and take him into custody. What happens after that, who could say?

The police can (and will) charge you with anything. I would like to think that the DA has better sense than to try to pursue felony wire tapping charges against a guy who recorded a cop beating his pregnant wife to death. The optimist in me wants to believe that would bring a nightmare of public outrage.

There has been a nightmare of pubic outrage lasting for decades in the US, yet bloody tyranny grows ever stronger.

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they dont want the public to see them breaking the law and giving the police a bad name

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Quote from: NewLiberty on December 17, 2014, 03:45:16 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on December 17, 2014, 03:34:12 AM

Quote from: NewLiberty on December 17, 2014, 03:16:22 AM

Is it a good thing this didn't happen in Illinois?

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-beat-man-7-month-pregnant-wife-deleted-video-survived-cloud/

icloud apparently saved the video before the officer deleted it from the device so the "shooter" managed to retrieve it.

Yep, inadmissible in court doesn't mean it isn't admissible in the court of public opinion. Live casting services are your best protection against abusive thieving cops trying to destroy your property to hide their crimes.

I was asking the question because if this was in Illinois, he could be charged with a felony? The police could then go to his home and take him into custody. What happens after that, who could say?

The police can (and will) charge you with anything. I would like to think that the DA has better sense than to try to pursue felony wire tapping charges against a guy who recorded a cop beating his pregnant wife to death. The optimist in me wants to believe that would bring a nightmare of public outrage.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on December 17, 2014, 03:34:12 AM

Quote from: NewLiberty on December 17, 2014, 03:16:22 AM

Is it a good thing this didn't happen in Illinois?

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-beat-man-7-month-pregnant-wife-deleted-video-survived-cloud/

icloud apparently saved the video before the officer deleted it from the device so the "shooter" managed to retrieve it.

Yep, inadmissible in court doesn't mean it isn't admissible in the court of public opinion. Live casting services are your best protection against abusive thieving cops trying to destroy your property to hide their crimes.

You could still potentially sue in federal court (or potential appeal any ruling that such evidence is not admissible in state court to a federal appeals court) to get this part of the law overturned (as similar IL laws have been overturned by the supreme court previously)

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Quote from: TECSHARE on December 17, 2014, 04:14:34 AM

Quote from: NewLiberty on December 17, 2014, 03:45:16 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on December 17, 2014, 03:34:12 AM

Quote from: NewLiberty on December 17, 2014, 03:16:22 AM

Is it a good thing this didn't happen in Illinois?

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-beat-man-7-month-pregnant-wife-deleted-video-survived-cloud/

icloud apparently saved the video before the officer deleted it from the device so the "shooter" managed to retrieve it.

Yep, inadmissible in court doesn't mean it isn't admissible in the court of public opinion. Live casting services are your best protection against abusive thieving cops trying to destroy your property to hide their crimes.

I was asking the question because if this was in Illinois, he could be charged with a felony? The police could then go to his home and take him into custody. What happens after that, who could say?

Yes they could. Obviously you should release said video anonymously.

They had already taken him and had him fill out a witness report and had all his information. No matter if it was anonymous he would be taken.

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