Topic: Illiterate sig spammers - page 6. (Read 9476 times)

Here's a Wikipedia list of minimum wages by country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country

That is very interesting.  Can anyone else here verify whether this is true (I'm a skeptic by nature)?  

If this is true, I'm very happy that bitcoin is providing a real source of income.  But that doesn't excuse lazy shitposters by any means.  I'm not saying that.  If that's a day's wage, they should put some serious effort into their posts.  But I really like the idea of Indians being able to earn that much by sig campaigns.  It almost warms my blackened, dead heart.  This is what bitcoin is supposed to be about, a global thing.

You can get a 3G data connection with a few gigs for less than $5 a month in many countries. More people in India have access to smart phones than toilets. Maybe some of the signature spammers can shed some light as to why they spend time here making incoherent posts that no one wants to read instead of exploring other sources of income.

You need to remember than in poor countries, there's probably a £100 startup fee for Internet connection. Mainly used for cabling and routers. There's then a £20 fee per month at least in most countries to maintain a connection. The money earned is a bit worthless, however, it all adds up and is probably seen by some as a good way to greater decentralise the currency.

How do you stop signature spam when paid signatures are allowed? There are money-making forums and guides that encourage registering on here and posting simply as a way to earn an income online. While that $3 a day or whatever signature posters get paid may seem insignificant to some, it is pretty enticing to people in some parts of the world (eg. official minimum wage throughout India varies from $2.40 to $6.35 per day; and there are many places with lower wages than that). Multiply that $3 by several accounts, and they've got a a pretty good thing going for them.

Am i the op of any of those threads? If so, i can make it easier and lock and delete those threads (that'd be nicer than having a mod overpower my intellectual property).
Newer members are more likely to account farm as it has great value to mature an account from newbie to member and sell it on (presumably, though account sales would be slow based on me trying to sell accounts taken as collateral for loans)

Again, there are internal discussions regarding this matter. I have compiled a nice list of threads that need locking and trashing (preferably). Once there's some consensus on the matter, it will be (hopefully) handled.

Not necessarily. It is not rare for me to see Hero member accounts (with or without signature) who almost have no clue about Bitcoin (i.e. their posts lack in content and quality).

Once a thread is taken over by spammers, there's not really any easy way of recovering it. I have not really ever seen that being done either.

The "farmers" that you refer to whom I was talking about are mainly of a lower rank so they may be looking at making many posts to get accepted into a signature campaign once the account matures.

I think it has gone beyond the point of discussing 'whether to punish them or not', to 'how to punish them exactly'. Quite a few campaigns deserved it.

I disagree. I can (usually) easily asses whether you're a spammer or not. Sometimes even based on a singular post (although for a conclusion a deeper analysis is required), and most often based on your last post page. There are certain behavioral habits that can be identified in addition to the linguistic skill of the user in question. Hint: "I'm not native to English but should be allowed to post useless & faulty posts in every section" is not a valid argument.

I don't think we're lacking manpower. If anything, the moderation may be imbalanced in times where there may be a lot of unhandled reports. Generally, my report list is empty or quickly emptied (as a patroller & 2 section moderator).

IMHO: If the thread itself is pointless, then everything should be trashed if it gets flooded by spam. If the thread initially happened to be constructive then either: a) Try to clean it and punish the 'shitposters'. b) Lock and archive it.

No. You're looking at the wrong place and potentially encountering account farmers without signatures. There's a usually a distinct difference between genuine posts and spammers regardless of whether they have a signature or not.

The worst campaign for spammers is probably yobit (which isn't even regulated).
Steep sanctions should be put in place go tackle this (such as blocking accounts either permanently or until a fine is paid to the forum).
I've looked on threads and thought I'd turn off signatures for one day a while back. Its interesting to notice that the post quality of people in and out of campaigns is very similar to me. And the fact that most people are in a signature campaign means that threads are more likely to have those people replying to them.

I think I got the situation:

Staff are like Germany and the spammers are the refugees.


Jk


I hope you get a solution. It is really getting worse by day. I'm pretty sure right now the spammers are registering new accounts to create new threads and then are spamming with their sig campaign accounts.
Like just look at the first page of politics&society.

The problem campaigns never listen to you. 9/10 I never get any response from them even after months of telling them they need to start looking after their campaigns. Try PM bitmixer or some of the shitcoin sig campaigns and see if you get a response. They don't care and the ones that don't listen even after repeated warnings either need some sort of punishment or not be allowed to advertise here in such a way and that's another thing we're discussing.


Exactly and that's what we're discussing. It's not a question of new staff but making sure everybody is on board and on the same page about what is acceptable or not. You might think a thread is spam and others might not. Even a constructive thread can be taken over by shitposters so do we trash that as well? What threads should or shouldn't be permitted are currently being discussed as are ways to cut down on sig spam altogether. I'm not the boss here and don't want to overstep my authority so any big changes that happen need to be run through with both all the other staff and most importantly theymos first and that's what we're waiting on.

It may be difficult for the moderators though. How can they work out what is spam? They can't just target those in signature campaigns either, they'd have to clear up everywhere! Or then they're judging things differently depending on whether a user wishes to earn when they post or not.

Ok, i dont see what the discussion is about though, you guys have no choice but to either delete them, or get new staff to clean up the spam

I'm not sure of the problem of the thread OP posted? Most signature campaigns pay bonus for posting in the gambling section - so why don't spammers just post there all the time if the intent is to spam (there's enough threads to do that there)?
Users who feel people do post bad quality posts should consider talking to the manager of the signature campaign directly to have them removed from it.

Where did I say they would be removed if you report them? If you read what I wrote I said we were currently discussing how to handle them.

Yet still, when i report such threads, nothing gets done

As others have mentioned these sorts of threads pop up every week or so and it gets tiring responding to the same question over and over. We're currently discussing ways to combat spam but can't really make any big changes without admin input but most of us agree those sort of shit threads mentioned in the op should be locked and probably will be.

Not really.You do have the "Report to Moderator" button ,use it more often,required actions are taken by them as quick as possible.If the case is too bad,you can always PM them,Cyrus is active most of the time and so is hilariousandco!

About the thread,yes there's always a new one in a week or so.Mods are too tired of arguing over same stuff repeatedly I guess.

Discussing this in threads that seem to pop up every week or so has become the norm, and although the threads are fine to throw hate at these spammers (and occasionally at the moderators and admins), I hardly think that they will help much (if at all) towards getting rid of these spammers.

From what I can see, these are the two options that the forum has at this point (tell me if you think otherwise):

1) Do a 360, take some sort of action against shitposts that will prune pretty much 90-96% of this community, and set itself back down but make the forum a much better place to be in. Whether this will attract more users that actually give a crap about what they are discussing or destroy the forum is up to your decision.

2) Let signature spammers continue to pluck off the actually intelligent, dedicated bitcoiners who came here to have a discussion of bitcoin, instead of parroting why exactly gambling is bad for 100+ pages in multiple threads, and inflate the forum's population until a different forum arises that is a safe haven for the afore mentioned bitcoiners and BitcoinTalk is reduced to a shithole. It's only a matter of time, trust me. It may be good advertisement money for now, but it won't last long.

Oh, and as long as BitcoinTalk doesn't make a decision and remains as option two, it's harder and harder to choose the first option.

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