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ShakyhandsBTCer

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Quote from: perlboy on June 14, 2014, 08:04:41 PM

Quote from: ShakyhandsBTCer on June 14, 2014, 05:13:16 PM

I don't think you can actually short bitcoin.

Huh? Yes you can.

http://www.bitfinex.com/
http://btc.sx/

And btc-e also does 4:1 margin trading I believe.

Do you need to apply for margin or do they give it to everyone?

I think this sounds very risky to both the user and the exchange.

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Quote from: nick32768 on May 15, 2014, 04:49:28 AM

I've found some interesting trends that could indicate a turn into the direction to which BTC is heading
The steady decline is now being replaced by a slow increase. I'll keep an eye on this, when value touch the new trending lines.

Nick.

Man, looking at this chart really makes you wonder if we are in total denial that bitcoin is dying, soon to be a footnote in history. Then again, this could be a repeat of April's top, fall, dead cat bounce, sideways for awhile the BOOM - looks very similar, no?

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Quote from: ShakyhandsBTCer on June 14, 2014, 05:13:16 PM

I don't think you can actually short bitcoin.

Huh? Yes you can.

http://www.bitfinex.com/
http://btc.sx/

And btc-e also does 4:1 margin trading I believe.

ShakyhandsBTCer

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I don't think you can actually short bitcoin.

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Quote from: leopard2 on May 19, 2014, 12:33:44 PM

ta doesnt work if everyone expects it to work Undecided

That's exactly when it works. Markets - all markets - are best simulated by a running herd of brainless animals (no offense to each particular animal) - you have to guess where the herd will turn next to make most profit. If there are some signs on the ground that usually make the herd turn, then your task is to read those signs and plan your turns before the rest. One who turns last, gets eaten

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ta doesnt work if everyone expects it to work Undecided

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Quote from: TERA on May 19, 2014, 08:24:43 AM

The purple dots and lines are drawn based on the 'elbows' of each cycle, meaning where it stopped going sideways and started shooting up. Silk road does not count because it was an outlier caused by an unusual circumstance, placing a flashcrash in a very odd location, and only lasted for one day. I do not use silk road data in any of my charts.

Ok understood, but that could also mean a return to the previous (flatter) angle, in case rally starts from these current levels.

If it drops to 150 and rallies from there, that would mean a negative inclination for the current leg, something that has never happened so far, and that would definitely signal a fundamental decline in adoption rate - something that is just not there.

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The trendline you drew was the theoretical trendline for bitcoin price, based on MtGox data.
However, because of the Gox fiat withdrawal issue, the previous bubble didn't fully deflate to about 30$.
And then the Chinese buying spree (one time event) distorted the trendline (it shot up too soon).
If China gets completely out of the picture (like having bitcoins would mean to be an enemy of the state),
then this bubble may completely deflate and touch the purple trendline around 150$.

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Quote from: piramida on May 19, 2014, 08:20:03 AM

Quote from: TERA on May 19, 2014, 07:51:04 AM

I noticed a pattern:

There was an increasing slope of support level, which was broken.

I'm not saying it's dropping to the purple line on the bottom but there is nowhere on the chart to look at besides that. It is clueless guesswork to try to find where support will be.

But why do you ignore the low in your second support line? Try drawing an actual support, you will see a very convincing rebound now.

If that supposed to be a joke, sorry I missed it then.

The purple dots and lines are drawn based on the 'elbows' of each cycle, meaning where it stopped going sideways and started shooting up. Silk road does not count because it was an outlier caused by an unusual circumstance, placing a flashcrash in a very odd location, and only lasted for one day. I do not use silk road data in any of my charts.

you could use the same trend with the peaks also. in that case the trend was broken in December

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Quote from: TERA on May 19, 2014, 07:51:04 AM

I noticed a pattern:

There was an increasing slope of support level, which was broken.

I'm not saying it's dropping to the purple line on the bottom but there is nowhere on the chart to look at besides that. It is clueless guesswork to try to find where support will be.

But why do you ignore the low in your second support line? Try drawing an actual support, you will see a very convincing rebound now.

If that supposed to be a joke, sorry I missed it then.

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Yes, 100-200 lvl is where i am willing to buy BTC.

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Quote from: piramida on May 15, 2014, 05:44:00 AM

Quote from: TERA on May 15, 2014, 05:27:24 AM

Actually bitcoin bulls would find this picture to be BEARISH because it implies that bitcoin is growing on a linear scale.

It does... Until the double-exponential rally happens, as it did 4 times now, and which should start soonish, as in early this summer. See if you notice any patterns on this logchart:

I noticed a pattern:

There was an increasing slope of support level, which was broken.

I'm not saying it's dropping to the purple line on the bottom but there is nowhere on the chart to look at besides that. It is clueless guesswork to try to find where support will be.

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Quote from: zby on May 16, 2014, 07:19:24 AM

Quote from: Markos on May 15, 2014, 05:23:49 AM

I had in mind something else:

And the volume is dropping...replay of the end of January?

This triangle is bullish. It is a pennant.

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Quote from: Wilhelm on May 16, 2014, 02:18:06 AM

I'M STOOPID ME CAN DRAW TRIANGELZ AND LINES!!! Tongue

How come everyone around here thinks they can draws lines and triangles based on "wishful" thinking and call it TA. (Like igorr lines)
- There are only a few guys around here who actually know to draw trendlines.
- There are only a few guys around here who can provide good TA analysis along with the trendlines.
- There are only a few guys who get it right >60% of the time.

I'm not one of those guys, but I can believe it to be frustrating for the real experts around here.

My 0.02 satoshi

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Quote from: Markos on May 15, 2014, 05:23:49 AM

I had in mind something else:

And the volume is dropping...replay of the end of January?

This triangle is bullish. It is a pennant.

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I'M STOOPID ME CAN DRAW TRIANGELZ AND LINES!!! Tongue

How come everyone around here thinks they can draws lines and triangles based on "wishful" thinking and call it TA. (Like igorr lines)
- There are only a few guys around here who actually know to draw trendlines.
- There are only a few guys around here who can provide good TA analysis along with the trendlines.
- There are only a few guys who get it right >60% of the time.

I'm not one of those guys, but I can believe it to be frustrating for the real experts around here.

My 0.02 satoshi

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Quote from: AtomTom on May 15, 2014, 07:16:29 AM

So we have two completely different opinion based on same graph ?

lol...

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Although I do agree that the short to medium term prospects are positive, your chart actually implies that we still have to underperform the linear bounds. So we could still "dip" a little more. But then again, unless you have a contract to do a very quick short, it'd probably be a loss.

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Quote from: TERA on May 15, 2014, 07:07:36 AM

Now what I don't understand from OP is how he can make a linear connection between two different time eras which had a period of double exponential increase inbetween them.

His lines are only based on two points, two points can always be connected by a straight line.

However the lines are pretty much useless because at the start of the graph the value does not even come close to either line, while later the price is much below the lines, after which it overshoots the line by a huge margin, after which it reaches the end point of the line which is of course aligning because the lines were based on that point in the first place.

So the lines are just that, lines, nothing more.

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Quote from: piramida on May 15, 2014, 06:51:06 AM

Quote from: TERA on May 15, 2014, 06:03:28 AM

Quote from: piramida on May 15, 2014, 05:44:00 AM

Quote from: TERA on May 15, 2014, 05:27:24 AM

Actually bitcoin bulls would find this picture to be BEARISH because it implies that bitcoin is growing on a linear scale.

It does... Until the double-exponential rally happens, as it did 4 times now, and which should start soonish, as in early this summer. See if you notice any patterns on this logchart:

So you're saying that it grows linearly sometimes and then sudden it starts growing exponentially? I think that is false and that the growth is consistently exponential at some degree.

The graph says it all

It either linearly grows, or linearly declines, but then it does periods of double exponential growth (exponential on a log graph), which all adds up to a simple exponential growth trend.

That's what I see in this graph as well.

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