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Quote from: crwth on November 27, 2019, 10:51:35 PM

When I read your topic, I immediately remembered people who have no access to any technology that we have. I have thought about it lots of times on how everyone could get what they deserve. People who have no banks make their transactions, and without internet access or a smartphone, it won't be possible. Let's say the people who have far less than what we have. Not everyone can buy a smartphone, even though it's getting cheaper, the choice between necessity and wants would put into the matter. Food is going to be a priority for them, not a smartphone. These are just my random thought about what Bitcoin could do to those who are on the unlucky end. I guess I have this notion that Bitcoin could help the poorest of the poor, in some way.

Bitcoin is technology-based, which means it will not run and be useful in a setting where advance technology is nil. That being said, the poorest of the poor will not be able to enjoy what we are enjoying right now in this crypto space. To send and receive Bitcoin, one needs advance technological tools such as a crypto wallet, smart phone, an internet connection, and so on. For the transaction to be processed and broadcast into the network, everything has to undergo more sophisticated mining processes that again need advance technological tools such as mining rigs, electricity, internet, among others.

If these are all non-existent in a certain area, there is no point talking about Bitcoin or blockchain or whatever. This is a new-wine-in-an-old-wineskin story.

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Quote from: OddJobsForBitcoin on November 27, 2019, 11:09:26 AM

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

Still impossible for bitcoin and blockchain can access without using internet, some time we need highest speed of internet for access to bitcoin and blockchain account, maybe have implementation at the future with bitcoin and blockchain could be open without using internet access, how ever many country still do not get access with higher speed of internet and have to move to other place to get internet.

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When I read your topic, I immediately remembered people who have no access to any technology that we have. I have thought about it lots of times on how everyone could get what they deserve. People who have no banks make their transactions, and without internet access or a smartphone, it won't be possible. Let's say the people who have far less than what we have. Not everyone can buy a smartphone, even though it's getting cheaper, the choice between necessity and wants would put into the matter. Food is going to be a priority for them, not a smartphone. These are just my random thought about what Bitcoin could do to those who are on the unlucky end. I guess I have this notion that Bitcoin could help the poorest of the poor, in some way.

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Quote from: OddJobsForBitcoin on November 27, 2019, 11:09:26 AM

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

It's possible, if you look at most advanced economies, in most of their cities, everyone is able to get access to cell towers, and they are going to be constantly connected to the internet, all we need is a network built on those cell tower systems, and that's how it would have worked.

I believe there are some new technologies, where you are basically able to get notifications that you have gotten bitcoins, but you aren't able to send BTC? It's something involving new technology, and it could be useful for whatever you are suggesting.

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Quote from: OddJobsForBitcoin on November 27, 2019, 11:09:26 AM

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

I don't see how that could happen. An internet built on blockchain would basically run on online connection also. I think it's just not possible at the moment. I could imagine something that runs on other signals like GPS, but it would be a hard task integrating all you could do with crypto on that signal. In the end, we'd still end up requiring internet connection anyway.

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Quote from: OddJobsForBitcoin on November 27, 2019, 11:09:26 AM

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

First and foremost, you need to understand that the internet is not a third party entity. It is just the connection of computers all around the world. To connect to the internet, you just need an entry point not a third party. And secondly, you can't make bitcoin transactions without connecting to the internet. The transactions need to be broadcast on the blockchain network for it to be recorded on each node on the blockchain network. The internet is the key element in making a bitcoin transaction.

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As suggested transacting through satellite is the only possible solution. Here too there will be complications and limitations which could cause some problems. Thinking of advancement is good, but this should help with the betterment of the network and should not make people start searching for other things. To make transactions through satellites more effective it is good to launch satellites completely dedicated for bitcoin network.

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they've already mentioned some ways including that paperwallet. radiowaves is something very technical for me, i won't even try to understand that. but what the heck are you going to do in that secluded area with no internet connection but wants to transact using btc? you wanted outlaw or something?

might as well use fiat if you have to go into all these troubles to make a transaction. technology is suppose to make all these convenient.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on November 27, 2019, 12:22:02 PM

I have not used Blockstream, but it seems to be a decent project. I am also not sure whether what they say is true, but if it is, transactions are supposed to be cheap and the service is available 24/7.

You can only receive data via satellite - you can't transmit. The Blockstream satellites will allow you to receive new blocks and keep your node up to date without an internet connection, but you can't directly broadcast a transaction back over them. They will let you use their satellite network to broadcast a transmission, but you need internet access to upload the transmission to their servers and pay a fee for it first.

Quote from: NeuroticFish on November 27, 2019, 03:01:19 PM

The only alternative I know is to "spend" entire paper wallet, but that's not a proper (trustless) Bitcoin spending.

There are projects such as OPENDIME which put a public and private key on a USB drive in a way that anyone can check the public key (and therefore the funds held within), but the drive needs to be physically destroyed to access the private key. Better than handing someone else a paper wallet, but still not trustless as the trust has simply moved from the other party you are trading with to the third party creators of device.

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Quote from: OddJobsForBitcoin on November 27, 2019, 11:09:26 AM

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

Yours basically trying to access your funds that require a network to connect to without a network, it would be impossible to do, just like you can't send payments from the banking system without access to the internet.

In the future though, we are likely going to be living in a world where sim plans become dirt cheap, and world-wide wifi has slowly become a possibility, and most people now already have a constant internet connection, so it's nothing challenging.

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In order to properly spend, the transaction has to be sent somewhere the miners can add it into a block so it is confirmed. For that, in a way or another, some data has to get onto the internet.

The only alternative I know is to "spend" entire paper wallet, but that's not a proper (trustless) Bitcoin spending.

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I did not find an answer to your question, the internet makes you able to connect with the system or outsiders easily while to access a system that requires internet then you also need the internet. unless you do it somewhere that is interconnected with one another

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Quote from: kryptqnick on November 27, 2019, 12:22:02 PM

You've mentioned an article about using the radio (did not know that it was possible), but I wanted to remind the op of the satellite solution, which is not the Internet but seems alright. I have not used Blockstream, but it seems to be a decent project.

I had mentioned that one because we were talking about moving away from ISPs to a decentralized way of sending transactions.
The Blockstream's satellites are not a decentralized way to do it, you require them, nobody else can set them up, they can shut them down any time they want!

So, it's really nothing different from having a satellite internet package, at 300$ you can get the equipment and around 50$ a month for the data transfer if you plan on using it wisely. And you've got basically the same thing and much more!

With the radio waves you can set up all of it yourself with a few friends, you don't require a 3rd party.

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There are already people transmitting Bitcoin over radio waves - https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoiners-finland-send-cryptocurrency-radio and other

people put Bitcoin in space, https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-in-space-blockchain-satellite-receives-first-transaction ( Blockstream’s

Blockchain Satellite ) - You do not just need Internet access to transfer bitcoins, but it is so much easier. Another thing people do not think

about is the physical transfer of a Paper wallet from one person to the next, but that would be too risky for large amounts and you are restricted to

physical access to the other person to do this. Tongue

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Quote from: stompix on November 27, 2019, 11:37:00 AM

Quote from: OddJobsForBitcoin on November 27, 2019, 11:09:26 AM

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins?

You go to an area where you have an internet connection.

Quote from: OddJobsForBitcoin on November 27, 2019, 11:09:26 AM

Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection?

Yeah, it would but all the solutions that are trying to bypass the lack of an internet connection are not scalable, nor are they viable for your average Joe. That aside, there is still one problem, you can send a transaction with having the internet to another party, the problem is that this party has to have internet connection:P Not even going to touch the whole block propagation stuff.

You've mentioned an article about using the radio (did not know that it was possible), but I wanted to remind the op of the satellite solution, which is not the Internet but seems alright. I have not used Blockstream, but it seems to be a decent project. I am also not sure whether what they say is true, but if it is, transactions are supposed to be cheap and the service is available 24/7. Most of the time, though, I believe that the Internet connection is not a problem, and the tendency is that it will be even less of a problem in the future. Watching a video by Antonopoulos, though, it seems that it's not cost-effective, because it requires equipment which will cost at least $100.

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Quote from: OddJobsForBitcoin on November 27, 2019, 11:09:26 AM

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins?

You go to an area where you have an internet connection.

Quote from: OddJobsForBitcoin on November 27, 2019, 11:09:26 AM

Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection?

Yeah, it would but all the solutions that are trying to bypass the lack of an internet connection are not scalable, nor are they viable for your average Joe. That aside, there is still one problem, you can send a transaction with having the internet to another party, the problem is that this party has to have internet connection:P Not even going to touch the whole block propagation stuff.

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