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September 17, 2023, 02:10:33 PM
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I wonder how much tax money someone can generate with gambling when they drift off into an alcohol addiction after they lost everything and then destroy their liver, need medical care for years and maybe even a liver transplant and all kind of other treatments that you still think the tax money that person generated with gambling outweighs the cost society is bearing for that permanent patient they now have to take care of. I can't think of a state (except for some of these little islands maybe) that prefers to make money from gambling because they think it is overall profitable for society/the state. If people develop issues because of gambling or exacerbate existing preconditions due to gambling, I think that is more costly to society than the tax that person has to pay. In fact, if someone goes broke that person might have to claim welfare. 
The tax money that the state can obtain may be very large, but we don't know the exact amount. If the tax money is obtained from the gambling business and not from someone, it can help the country's economy. The state manages the tax money to build various facilities that can help people experience these facilities and use them well. If someone goes bankrupt because of gambling, it is his fault because he cannot be responsible for gambling. After all, no one had advised him to continue gambling until he spent all his money. But perhaps the government would still be kind enough to help this person to live a decent life as long as he doesn't repeat his actions, even though there is no guarantee that he will leave gambling.

You should read more precisely what I have written and if there are any questions, why don't you ask me what I meant if you don't understand it?

Everything comes at a cost in life in various forms and having a big gambling industry can generate tax income for the state, which it most likely does. It would be interesting to have some numbers on the overall collateral damage that gambling produces as a cost the national society in that country has to bear.

Selling alcohol brings in tax money, but do you have an idea or a ball park about the financial collateral damage to the health and job industry that 100 dollar in tax money produce? If someone has an alcohol problem, does not go to work for four weeks per year because of getting wasted, that person does not produce any value or a product, which could be sold and also generate VAT, and the social systems have to bear the cost as they also have to get involved if that person needs treatment. Even worse, later in the future that person has a fatty liver and needs intensive medical treatment , surgeries included perhaps.

How much should that person drink to generate enough tax money that all the cost drinking entails on all aspects of life are covered? Do you now get my point?
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September 17, 2023, 12:56:59 PM
Yes, in gambling advantages and disadvantages mainly depends on how we consider it as it has both negative and positive aspects. As the gambling industry grows, many jobs are created, and the government collects more revenue, the money is reinvested in the development of various societies. So considering gambling from this aspect I would say it is definitely contributing to the development of the country and the society. On the other hand, those who are gambling and lose because of their negligence. It will consider their negative effect of gambling. So the main view depends on how I consider gambling.
That is if people can see gambling as a positive thing, but most people will be cynical when they find out about these things and immediately say that gambling is bad. They will also advise people who work in casinos to look for other jobs so they won't get bad reviews from other people either. Gambling contributes to countries that allow gambling because there is tax money that can be received by the state so that it can provide even more income. So how important gambling is to society will depend on how they see gambling as a business or even as something bad because everything has its positives and negatives.
Can you consider something positive if you can clearly see that everyone who gets involved in it loses money? I don't think so, and that's why I don't blame society if they don't see gambling as a positive thing. I know that there are responsible gamblers as well, and there are those who gamble just for fun and don't spend a lot of money on it, but still, the percentage of people who are responsible and take gambling as an entertainment is too low compared to those who gamble to earn money.

However, I don't see why someone would think of a job differently when the person is simply doing their job and earning a salary. Even if they are serving cards at a table or giving out cash or chips to people, they are doing it so that they can earn a livelihood and I don't see anything bad in that.
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September 17, 2023, 10:27:46 AM
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I wonder how much tax money someone can generate with gambling when they drift off into an alcohol addiction after they lost everything and then destroy their liver, need medical care for years and maybe even a liver transplant and all kind of other treatments that you still think the tax money that person generated with gambling outweighs the cost society is bearing for that permanent patient they now have to take care of. I can't think of a state (except for some of these little islands maybe) that prefers to make money from gambling because they think it is overall profitable for society/the state. If people develop issues because of gambling or exacerbate existing preconditions due to gambling, I think that is more costly to society than the tax that person has to pay. In fact, if someone goes broke that person might have to claim welfare. 
The tax money that the state can obtain may be very large, but we don't know the exact amount. If the tax money is obtained from the gambling business and not from someone, it can help the country's economy. The state manages the tax money to build various facilities that can help people experience these facilities and use them well. If someone goes bankrupt because of gambling, it is his fault because he cannot be responsible for gambling. After all, no one had advised him to continue gambling until he spent all his money. But perhaps the government would still be kind enough to help this person to live a decent life as long as he doesn't repeat his actions, even though there is no guarantee that he will leave gambling.
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September 16, 2023, 01:04:38 PM
Every gambler is free to use their money but when they loss money then they loss their freedom too. I think one should not be in too freedom that he use whole money in such a useless activities like gambling because gambling can allow one time or two time profit but never allows you to earn money for the whole life.
Too free means not being controlled, there is no budget and time limit for gambling, it will never be good in the end, that's why it's important to know that gambling means you have to be able to control yourself because if you can't do it you will end up being a loser and addict like people outside there are those who are trying to recover but it is quite difficult.

Moreover, gambling is not to be used as a source of income because it is impossible to make it happen, but if gambling is just a matter of looking for fun it might be easy to make it happen, people are too wrong about gambling, sometimes they always think that gambling can make you rich quickly even though that's not the case at all. , but gambling can make our hearts happy and that is what should be important for society,  Grin
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September 16, 2023, 12:43:11 PM
Yes, in gambling advantages and disadvantages mainly depends on how we consider it as it has both negative and positive aspects. As the gambling industry grows, many jobs are created, and the government collects more revenue, the money is reinvested in the development of various societies. So considering gambling from this aspect I would say it is definitely contributing to the development of the country and the society. On the other hand, those who are gambling and lose because of their negligence. It will consider their negative effect of gambling. So the main view depends on how I consider gambling.
That is if people can see gambling as a positive thing, but most people will be cynical when they find out about these things and immediately say that gambling is bad. They will also advise people who work in casinos to look for other jobs so they won't get bad reviews from other people either. Gambling contributes to countries that allow gambling because there is tax money that can be received by the state so that it can provide even more income. So how important gambling is to society will depend on how they see gambling as a business or even as something bad because everything has its positives and negatives.

I wonder how much tax money someone can generate with gambling when they drift off into an alcohol addiction after they lost everything and then destroy their liver, need medical care for years and maybe even a liver transplant and all kind of other treatments that you still think the tax money that person generated with gambling outweighs the cost society is bearing for that permanent patient they now have to take care of. I can't think of a state (except for some of these little islands maybe) that prefers to make money from gambling because they think it is overall profitable for society/the state. If people develop issues because of gambling or exacerbate existing preconditions due to gambling, I think that is more costly to society than the tax that person has to pay. In fact, if someone goes broke that person might have to claim welfare. 
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September 16, 2023, 11:47:58 AM
Gambling serves as another form of recreational activity for some to release stress and other negativities while betting and playing. It gives people the freedom and satisfaction of what they can do with their money and the chances of how they can profit using their fund as well.

At start may be gambling release stress but when a gambler have no remaining amount then gambling can increase your stress because you will be unable to pay for betting or leave betting without getting anything.

Every gambler is free to use their money but when they loss money then they loss their freedom too. I think one should not be in too freedom that he use whole money in such a useless activities like gambling because gambling can allow one time or two time profit but never allows you to earn money for the whole life.
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September 16, 2023, 05:22:34 AM
Yes, in gambling advantages and disadvantages mainly depends on how we consider it as it has both negative and positive aspects. As the gambling industry grows, many jobs are created, and the government collects more revenue, the money is reinvested in the development of various societies. So considering gambling from this aspect I would say it is definitely contributing to the development of the country and the society. On the other hand, those who are gambling and lose because of their negligence. It will consider their negative effect of gambling. So the main view depends on how I consider gambling.
That is if people can see gambling as a positive thing, but most people will be cynical when they find out about these things and immediately say that gambling is bad. They will also advise people who work in casinos to look for other jobs so they won't get bad reviews from other people either. Gambling contributes to countries that allow gambling because there is tax money that can be received by the state so that it can provide even more income. So how important gambling is to society will depend on how they see gambling as a business or even as something bad because everything has its positives and negatives.
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September 15, 2023, 07:35:16 PM
For me gambling was more about fun, than something serious. I think the role of gambling in society is another source of entertainment, yet only individuals only have serious life changing problems with gambling. Remove gambling from society, and we would get a huge number of people who wont know how to relax, to release steam. I am not talking about addicted people right now. Remove gambling, and a lot of people wont know what to do. Who knows what those people could do during free time. Who knows what bad things some people would do, when they can be busy gambling instead.
I agree with you in general. In addition I feel like gambling gives opportunity regular people to make extra money through their skills and luck. Its obviously very enjoyable way of making money. When you mix entertainment with money you hit very soft spot. This is why gambling is important. Some people seek risk in life, they can't feel alive (that's how they explain it to regular people) without it. Gambling is literally the best way for them. They can get quick fun or just do sports betting to extend that fun over couple of hours.
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September 15, 2023, 06:33:39 PM
Gambling has both socially harmful and beneficial aspects, but when the harmful aspects outweigh the good aspects, it is considered socially harmful. However, in the socio-economic environment where teenagers and minors become addicted to gambling, gambling is not useful for any social development in that society, instead, bad acts like robbery, corruption, theft, murder, rape etc. continue to happen. Gambling has significant developmental effects in countries where gambling is socially and state-legalized. Especially the government gets a certain amount of tax from the gambling sites and because of the multiple posts/vacancies on gambling, thousands of people are employed.

as we put it, we can see the benefits and the detrimental effects of gambling in the society. depending on how you look at this industry. i guess, abuse has always negative impact on anyone, right?
Yes, in gambling advantages and disadvantages mainly depends on how we consider it as it has both negative and positive aspects. As the gambling industry grows, many jobs are created, and the government collects more revenue, the money is reinvested in the development of various societies. So considering gambling from this aspect I would say it is definitely contributing to the development of the country and the society. On the other hand, those who are gambling and lose because of their negligence. It will consider their negative effect of gambling. So the main view depends on how I consider gambling.
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September 15, 2023, 10:54:01 AM
I'm not really viewing Takuma as a threat because he doesn't have that one punch like his brother does.

We should disregard Takuma Inoue being the younger brother of Naoya Inoue when it comes to analyzing the fight.

Instead, we can consider saying that Takuma might not be a threat to Ancajas because of;

a) fighting experience
b) not a Knock Out specialist
c) the WBO Bantamweight title he owned was vacant prior

But personally for me, threat or not, I don't want to think that Takuma Inoue should be an easy fight for Ancajas. He is now a champion and will defend his first-ever WBO Bantamweight title in front of his fellow countrymen. It will fuel more to unleash his best performance as a champion.

Yes, so there's a lot of the shoulders of Takuma Inoue right now. I mean his brother has set precedence in the bantamweight already and we can say that he might want to follow his brother path too to become undisputed by it will not be very easy.
Because in his first title defense, it will be against a former champion and have a good knockout power in Jerwin Ancajas.
And we all know that Jerwin has all the tools to become a world champion again. And so Takuma Inoue here might be in danger losing his first title defense.
Unless he really trains very hard, but then again, even if he is the brother of the Monster, he can't be help by him once the bells ring.
With that majority here might go with Ancajas to win and it will be impressive if he can score a knockout.

That is his reality, he might want to follow his brother's footsteps because that is the goal but he cannot do anything about it because fact is, he is not viewed as a threat in this division. He may be a champion now but judging how he fights in the ring and his record, I can say that he won't be holding these belts for a long time, what more if he thins about unifying all of it. Let's say for example that he ducked Ancajas in this case and chose to pursue the other champions, namely Moloney or Rodriguez, I think his chances will remain the same, only slim.

Well, Takuma, I see that he is a very good boxer, of course he doesn't have the genius that his brother has, but he is there, I think that with Ancajas he can make some of the difference, what we want to achieve, although to be honest and without me If there is nothing left inside, I would say that Ancajas is a high-class boxer, he has a very good boxing manner, he must also be in contact with his brother, perhaps some advice from his brothers that he does not like at all, because that makes the difference Also, there is also something that cannot be denied, which is their DNA and the Inoue is a total bomb, and I would think that irugal Ancajas should be careful, because if Takuma has the same discipline as his brother, well I would worry, because they are of those who train day and night, because as it should be, there is no other way in boxing, things should be like that, because if not the one who speaks out the most in his training, can be the winner, and I am one of those who believe that if the Let him have a harder training because he is the winner, in fact it is like that.

Now what I see is that either of the two can win, some are not seeing Takuma well, they say that they do not have the same effectiveness as his brother, but we must take into consideration that he can make a great show, now Ancajas I see it as more famous and can do something more, of course it is not that fame wins in the boxing ring, but it can make a difference, Ancajas always has something to talk about and his technique is very good, he has a good punch and can do the difference, of course, is what many can do, in boxing I have always said that anything can be done, the combinations that Ancajas makes are very nice, and I say that whoever falls into that combination can almost be knocked out, and that is It will be something very ugly for Takuma, so I think that one of Takuma's strategies is to not fall into that combination that he makes, because honestly things can go wrong , I wouldn't trust it at all.
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September 14, 2023, 06:52:08 AM
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I fully support your point of view and I experienced it first hand the last time I went on vacation. When I went on vacation I thought that I could spend my entire vacation without gambling, because in the place where I went there was a lot of entertainment that I wanted to try. I'll be honest with you after two weeks of active vacation, I still put money on the deposit casino and played slots, because I really missed it.

My point was a bit deeper Cheesy That is the thing that keep people busy. For example imagine a crowd of people that has nothing to do. They just hang around. An uncontrolled mass of people. Who knows what they found interesting to do in free time? Maybe gardening, maybe reading, maybe committing crimes. And you gave them gambling. People got busy. And you dont worry about them anymore. Like you give a child a tablet or phone to keep him busy and prevent crashing everything around or distract him. The same is with gambling, it distracts some number people from doing unnecessary things.
STT
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September 13, 2023, 06:59:44 PM
Gambling and funerals are constant revenue, that's your most useful sector of business in any economy any country if you want to state the most useful purpose in society its something which never changes regardless of other impediments in the economy.  People will always gamble just like you will always have revenue from inheritance taxes and a couple other things like tobacco and alcohol.  
   Money lost in tax income has to be replaced by debt bond issuance to questionable markets, hence how dangerous fiscal imbalance can become to the health of a nation and Gambling becomes the hero to pay the bills in the dark hours, ironic but there it is the shining beacon  Cool
   None of these vices should be stated as a path to riches on a personal level but as representative in an economy, all are steady never declining revenue industries.  The only other sector I can think of which rarely sees demand destruction is education, if you have a job in that sector you should also be safer then many others are.  Coal mining and oil used to be fairly reliable but both have been become squeezed by a variety of energy sources like gas and now solar wind etc.
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September 13, 2023, 05:55:22 PM
I fully support your point of view and I experienced it first hand the last time I went on vacation. When I went on vacation I thought that I could spend my entire vacation without gambling, because in the place where I went there was a lot of entertainment that I wanted to try. I'll be honest with you after two weeks of active vacation, I still put money on the deposit casino and played slots, because I really missed it.
Not been gambling, is definitely not an easy job for gamblers specifically gambling addicts to keep living, they can sort out themselves in any positions they fixed in gambling. I stopped gambling for one full month, it was as if I missed one hugh part of my life, there was something missing and I've to bounced back with no option than strictly engaging in solid gambling related activities that would generate profits. Gambling is very important to the public, it have made gamblers earned some good amounts from the system and most people have record losses that they lived to regret to this present day.
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September 13, 2023, 05:29:09 PM
In my opinion, it depends on how we approach gambling. If we think that gambling will only have a negative impact and harm ourselves, why do we still continue to gamble? it's better not to play, right?
Because it's tempting for many of us. The thought of having a chance to win big is what attract the gamblers to play. Despite knowing its negative effect once you lose control.

If gambling causes the impacts you mentioned (robbery, murder, rape, etc.) then in my opinion it is very fatal and should not be done by society.
These are just the worst that gamblers can do to continue playing. The reason why many people don't like gambling because of its addictive effect. Although the gambler itself is the one responsible on why he turned himself as an addicted gambler who committed a bad deed.
Indeed, that is gambling, many people are curious and interested in trying to play it. Yes, it's true, many gamblers are addicted because they can't control themselves when gambling and this will become a habit for them, even though defeat comes and they even think that losing the money they have is normal.
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September 13, 2023, 04:06:21 AM
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I fully support your point of view and I experienced it first hand the last time I went on vacation. When I went on vacation I thought that I could spend my entire vacation without gambling, because in the place where I went there was a lot of entertainment that I wanted to try. I'll be honest with you after two weeks of active vacation, I still put money on the deposit casino and played slots, because I really missed it.
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September 13, 2023, 03:56:06 AM
For me gambling was more about fun, than something serious. I think the role of gambling in society is another source of entertainment, yet only individuals only have serious life changing problems with gambling. Remove gambling from society, and we would get a huge number of people who wont know how to relax, to release steam. I am not talking about addicted people right now. Remove gambling, and a lot of people wont know what to do. Who knows what those people could do during free time. Who knows what bad things some people would do, when they can be busy gambling instead.
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September 13, 2023, 03:48:26 AM
Gambling has both socially harmful and beneficial aspects, but when the harmful aspects outweigh the good aspects, it is considered socially harmful. However, in the socio-economic environment where teenagers and minors become addicted to gambling, gambling is not useful for any social development in that society, instead, bad acts like robbery, corruption, theft, murder, rape etc. continue to happen. Gambling has significant developmental effects in countries where gambling is socially and state-legalized. Especially the government gets a certain amount of tax from the gambling sites and because of the multiple posts/vacancies on gambling, thousands of people are employed.

as we put it, we can see the benefits and the detrimental effects of gambling in the society. depending on how you look at this industry. i guess, abuse has always negative impact on anyone, right?
In my opinion, gambling is not that bad, if gambling is legalized in the country it will actually provide benefits to local communities, and casinos must work together with local communities so that casinos and their surroundings remain safe and conducive.
If someone says that gambling can harm other people, such as crime and so on, that possibility exists, but this is not entirely the fault of the gambling party or the casino. But it is the fault of the person himself or the individual who cannot control or handle his losses so he does bad things and that is a very stupid gambler. And cases like this, if caused by gambling, must be dealt with firmly so that no one follows them, after all, bad cases can happen anywhere, not just in the world of gambling.
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September 13, 2023, 03:19:03 AM
In my opinion, it depends on how we approach gambling. If we think that gambling will only have a negative impact and harm ourselves, why do we still continue to gamble? it's better not to play, right?
Because it's tempting for many of us. The thought of having a chance to win big is what attract the gamblers to play. Despite knowing its negative effect once you lose control.

If gambling causes the impacts you mentioned (robbery, murder, rape, etc.) then in my opinion it is very fatal and should not be done by society.
These are just the worst that gamblers can do to continue playing. The reason why many people don't like gambling because of its addictive effect. Although the gambler itself is the one responsible on why he turned himself as an addicted gambler who committed a bad deed.
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September 13, 2023, 02:22:28 AM
Well, most countries that have gambling allow for the general public, and there are a lot of land-based casinos. The government wouldn't actually use the tax money for their own benefit because such nations are mostly developed and the government doesn't really need to do any corruption to survive or fill their own pockets and this is the reason why such nations prosper compared to those where the government is busy filling their own bank accounts instead.

Small nations or third-world countries are basically what face such issues most of the time because politicians and government in such countries only cares for itself instead of thinking about the country or the people and working for the betterment of the country, they just keep hoarding money.
Our thinking will be like that. But as the saying goes, "money smells good, so everyone who smells it wants to have it" will make people who know about the huge tax money want to own a small piece of it. And even though they are in a big country, that doesn't guarantee they won't commit corruption unless there is very strict supervision of every official who handles money matters. Maybe they are still corrupt but they also help with economic problems through tax money and other things so it won't cause significant economic problems.

Third world countries and other countries can also commit corruption, especially if their politicians or officials do not pay attention to what their people need and are only busy with their own interests. They are the ones who will hinder economic growth in their country because they cannot work well according to their position. So if the tax money from gambling can be used for the benefit of the people, the condition of a country will be better and the country will have the opportunity to develop for the better.

Everybody is already getting used to the habit of these damn politicians that only care about feeding their fat bellies and their family but very soon their cups will get filled, I already see that we have similar government issues, due to the government's failure to invest in the society there are many lacks, and even the infrastructure is poor everything is poor since the removal of subsidy is mad hike in the price of transportation and other commodities in my region, and instead of them providing other means they act as they do not care and they are acting above the law and people can not speak for there right.
That's because things like that have happened in many places, hindering the country from developing. We have seen politicians play happily without thinking about the fate of their suffering people, who lack food. At the same time, they take money that should be given to the people by providing public facilities and public services. But because those up there took everything, the facilities failed to operate and disrupted the country's economy. The money collected through taxes should have been used for many things, including paying the state's debts, but this was not done well and the state instead had to increase its debt again. It's very sad to see, especially if you pay attention to politicians and officials who abuse their power just for personal gain.
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September 12, 2023, 08:19:07 PM
Gambling has both socially harmful and beneficial aspects, but when the harmful aspects outweigh the good aspects, it is considered socially harmful. However, in the socio-economic environment where teenagers and minors become addicted to gambling, gambling is not useful for any social development in that society, instead, bad acts like robbery, corruption, theft, murder, rape etc. continue to happen. Gambling has significant developmental effects in countries where gambling is socially and state-legalized. Especially the government gets a certain amount of tax from the gambling sites and because of the multiple posts/vacancies on gambling, thousands of people are employed.

In my opinion, it depends on how we approach gambling. If we think that gambling will only have a negative impact and harm ourselves, why do we still continue to gamble? it's better not to play, right?
There are those who think that gambling is also very important for them because there are also those who hope to get lucky and get a lot of money by gambling and there are also those who entertain themselves when they are bored.
If gambling causes the impacts you mentioned (robbery, murder, rape, etc.) then in my opinion it is very fatal and should not be done by society.
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