Indonesia Flooded with ilegal worker from China - page 3.

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Quote from: yoseph on January 25, 2017, 06:36:37 AM

If there are lots of unemployed Indonesians, is it because there are no jobs and if the answer to that question is yes, then how are the "Illegal Workers" from China getting jobs. I believe the Indonesians are maybe just lazy or they don't have the necessary qualifications to get the job the want.

China seemed once berusa to rule the world in the field. a lot of passable quality goods which, for example, the most widely spread is the smartphone. Most smartphones have used those are made in China. Bicycles even scissors too many made by China. China is in the state began to advance.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on January 26, 2017, 06:37:54 AM

but there is no proof to claim that the Chinese government is actively supporting this

This dude claim about Statal program.
Traveling around the globe is not illegal and giving passports for this is not supporting the emigration and traslocation.
There is no such program and no money or benefits for such people.
(If someone have the info about contrary - pls, post it)

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Quote from: bitbunnni on January 25, 2017, 07:22:19 AM

The Chinese government is funding this program.

Pls. more details, how to apply to such program.
There is no proofs in similar activity, the employement is made by private business, or they are illegal.

Large scale migration of Chinese workers has occurred in certain African countries such as Angola, but there is no proof to claim that the Chinese government is actively supporting this. The corporations which undertake various infrastructural projects in these nations are owned by the Chinese government. But they are more interested in asserting their political influence rather than exporting ethnic Chinese.

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they are everywhere so where are the news ?

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Quote from: bitbunnni on January 25, 2017, 07:22:19 AM

The Chinese government is funding this program.

Pls. more details, how to apply to such program.
There is no proofs in similar activity, the employement is made by private business, or they are illegal.

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Quote from: bitbunnni on January 25, 2017, 07:22:19 AM

China has long had problems with the overpopulation of the territory. The settlement of Chinese around the world is the strategy of the state. The Chinese government is funding this program. In the past year were born in China, 18 million children.

17.86 million births and 9.77 million deaths. The population increased by 8.09 million. That is an increase of less than one individual per square kilometer. On the other hand, in Indonesia there were more than 6 million births and 1 million deaths, and the population increase was around 5 million. The population increase in Indonesia was more than 2.5 individuals per square kilometer. So Indonesia is the one suffering from over-population.

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Quote from: yoseph on January 25, 2017, 06:36:37 AM

If there are lots of unemployed Indonesians, is it because there are no jobs and if the answer to that question is yes, then how are the "Illegal Workers" from China getting jobs. I believe the Indonesians are maybe just lazy or they don't have the necessary qualifications to get the job the want.

China has long had problems with the overpopulation of the territory. The settlement of Chinese around the world is the strategy of the state. The Chinese government is funding this program. In the past year were born in China, 18 million children.

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If there are lots of unemployed Indonesians, is it because there are no jobs and if the answer to that question is yes, then how are the "Illegal Workers" from China getting jobs. I believe the Indonesians are maybe just lazy or they don't have the necessary qualifications to get the job the want.

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Quote from: bitcoinvestor on January 20, 2017, 11:56:48 AM

There are a lot of Indonesian people who are unemployed. However, Free Visa for tourists coming to Indonesia has caused documents abused. The tourists not only visit indonesia but also work. This an irony. Indonesia now is facing complect political issue of sectarian. Oh Indonesia, I hope You can overcome all the problems.

This problem is not only in Indonesia but in other countries as well and its a serious problem to every sane government who wants to protect its own citizen because this will continue to create loss of revenue to government, when there issue of massive capital flight which will further lead to loss of development of the real sector. I hope the government in that area can go the way of Uk in which the interest of its citizen is paramount in her heart.

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Quote from: zuyfg888 on January 24, 2017, 10:02:19 PM

With all the illegal works in China, other Chinese goes to other countries to make some illegal activities. Like in China, there's a lot of people in their country. China is one of the biggest country with lot of people living. We must know what will happen if China will have more and more people will live on it.

China is a very large country, and there is only a very small population growth (due to the strict one-child policy). The population growth rate in Indonesia is much more than that in China. And Indonesia is very crowded as well (at least the islands such as Java, Madura, and Bali).

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With all the illegal works in China, other Chinese goes to other countries to make some illegal activities. Like in China, there's a lot of people in their country. China is one of the biggest country with lot of people living. We must know what will happen if China will have more and more people will live on it.

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Quote from: Xester on January 23, 2017, 08:15:10 AM

Quote from: bitcoinvestor on January 20, 2017, 11:56:48 AM

There are a lot of Indonesian people who are unemployed. However, Free Visa for tourists coming to Indonesia has caused documents abused. The tourists not only visit indonesia but also work. This an irony. Indonesia now is facing complect political issue of sectarian. Oh Indonesia, I hope You can overcome all the problems.

If Indonesia will not solve the problems right now then they will suffer the consequences later on. Its like what happened to the Philippines, Chinese are just migrants from China a very long time ago but now they are the richest families in the Philippines and controls huge businesses in the country. As of this moment Filipinos have become laborers with small pays for the migrant Chinese and the Philippine Government cannot go against China since politicians are being influenced by Chinese Tycoons. If Indonesia will not solve their problems today tomorrow instead of Chinese working for them the Chinese will control their economy as well as their government.

I agree with your opinion, it is a matter of politics when the government give privileges to chinese investors. They not only invest but also bring a lot of workers with them.

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Quote from: novemberwoah on January 23, 2017, 08:47:59 AM

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Quote from: novemberwoah on January 22, 2017, 03:11:30 AM

They work as a laborer in a cement factory but they have a salary of about 15 million IDR in one month, while local workers who work as laborer only had a salary of about 2 million IDR in one month. That difference in the amount of very distant to me and it was very unfair. It would be detrimental to the local workers because jobs will be more narrow and will be a lot of unemployment.

There may be reasons for the difference. Either the Chinese workers are extremely productive, or the local workers are extremely incompetent. That said, it is impossible to survive on a salary of IDR 2 million (USD 150).

No, local workers same competence with foreign workers in my opinion. As I've said before labor workers with salary differentials so far I think it is very unfair. Competent or not, if it works as a laborer difference is surely only a few and not that much. Indeed, in Indonesia salaries of workers were only given a salary of between 2 million - 3 million IDR, and it is reality.

Your post doesn't make any sense. Why should a factory owner in Indonesia employ Chinese workers paying 10X salary, if they have the same skill-set as the local workers? Doing so will definitely cause huge losses to the shareholders.

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This sounds really weird. Arent salaries in coastal China well above Indonesia? I dont mean to offend anybody, but why would any "nation" flood another one and be worse off in the end?

This is China in 2014: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/China-_Nominal_GDP_per_capita_(USD).svg/450px-China-_Nominal_GDP_per_capita_(USD).svg.png

And this is Indonesia: http://www.indonesia-investments.com/news/todays-headlines/what-are-the-minimum-wages-in-indonesia-in-2015/item2633?

Of course, I welcome anyone to correct me on this issue. I am not expert.

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The Chinese are currently following the trend of the European during the era of colonization and since they are the emerging world power, nothing is being down to stop them. Look at the Philippines for instance ever since the President broke ties with the USA and trash talked them, The Chinese are rewarding them with some astonishing deals and the USA cant do squat about it, it shows that they are the rising power in the world and will eventually replace the USA.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 23, 2017, 06:38:40 AM

Quote from: novemberwoah on January 22, 2017, 03:11:30 AM

They work as a laborer in a cement factory but they have a salary of about 15 million IDR in one month, while local workers who work as laborer only had a salary of about 2 million IDR in one month. That difference in the amount of very distant to me and it was very unfair. It would be detrimental to the local workers because jobs will be more narrow and will be a lot of unemployment.

There may be reasons for the difference. Either the Chinese workers are extremely productive, or the local workers are extremely incompetent. That said, it is impossible to survive on a salary of IDR 2 million (USD 150).

No, local workers same competence with foreign workers in my opinion. As I've said before labor workers with salary differentials so far I think it is very unfair. Competent or not, if it works as a laborer difference is surely only a few and not that much. Indeed, in Indonesia salaries of workers were only given a salary of between 2 million - 3 million IDR, and it is reality.

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Quote from: bitcoinvestor on January 20, 2017, 11:56:48 AM

There are a lot of Indonesian people who are unemployed. However, Free Visa for tourists coming to Indonesia has caused documents abused. The tourists not only visit indonesia but also work. This an irony. Indonesia now is facing complect political issue of sectarian. Oh Indonesia, I hope You can overcome all the problems.

If Indonesia will not solve the problems right now then they will suffer the consequences later on. Its like what happened to the Philippines, Chinese are just migrants from China a very long time ago but now they are the richest families in the Philippines and controls huge businesses in the country. As of this moment Filipinos have become laborers with small pays for the migrant Chinese and the Philippine Government cannot go against China since politicians are being influenced by Chinese Tycoons. If Indonesia will not solve their problems today tomorrow instead of Chinese working for them the Chinese will control their economy as well as their government.

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The chinese are occupying space all over the world, by any legal and illegal means.

They coming as illegal work are just the top of iceberg probably.

Here they come and open business real quickly, and enter with big money buying stuff. They are also associated with the local organized crime, among other stuff

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These days, the chinese are everywhere. in my country for instance they are engaging in so many illegal activities like galamsey which is illegal mining, fishing at restricted waters and when eventually caught they pay them off. Its as if they are above the law.

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Quote from: novemberwoah on January 22, 2017, 03:11:30 AM

They work as a laborer in a cement factory but they have a salary of about 15 million IDR in one month, while local workers who work as laborer only had a salary of about 2 million IDR in one month. That difference in the amount of very distant to me and it was very unfair. It would be detrimental to the local workers because jobs will be more narrow and will be a lot of unemployment.

There may be reasons for the difference. Either the Chinese workers are extremely productive, or the local workers are extremely incompetent. That said, it is impossible to survive on a salary of IDR 2 million (USD 150).

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