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Macho Gwapito ako!
useful informations about how the price and value of bitcoin go up and down in the market.
but as of now the market is driven by the big players or big whale as we called them. they are the one that control the market now.
bitcoin is a very volatile but as of the moment, bitcoin is the best investment portfolio.  Grin Grin Grin i experienced it myself.. started from january this year. and have a 2000% gain from my capital.. hehe. hope we see one more bull run this year! 10,000$/Bitcoin .. HERE WE COME!! hehehe
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Why does the price of Bitcoin go up and down? The price of BTC goes up and down based on the exchange rate, or market price, which is set by buyers and sellers, or traders. They directly trade the Bitcoin currency with all sorts of other currency, and even some with gold; the most popular being the USD (US dollar). They set the price when executing orders to buy or sell. I will get into the actual reason of why the price fluctuates in the last section.

Bitcoin stands alone and is unaffected by fiat although intrinsically the dollar still provides a benchmark for every exchange, bitcoin fluctuations are determined by rumors alone and no binding intervention from traders or governments. If we look again, altcoin movements also support bitcoin fluctuations.
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Why does the price of Bitcoin go up and down? The price of BTC goes up and down based on the exchange rate, or market price, which is set by buyers and sellers, or traders. They directly trade the Bitcoin currency with all sorts of other currency, and even some with gold; the most popular being the USD (US dollar). They set the price when executing orders to buy or sell. I will get into the actual reason of why the price fluctuates in the last section.
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yes good information
demand and supply are two tools through which the price change is done. the demand and supply of money make and elasticity through which inflation happens.
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An excellent post that I'll sticky so people can learn from.


Inflation and Deflation is just really happen every now and then, it depend upon the investor, traders and anyone who use  this Bitcoin to their own Business, it is absolutely being higher of value of currency of Bitcoin if we are continuously patronizing.
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USD inflation was 1.9% last month.

It will close at FED target 2.5% this year. It means that if you have USD 100.00 under your mattress you now have $97.50 as dollar purchasing power.
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I'm in the middle of a deep dive into quantitative analysis of bitcoin's potential monetary value into the future, modeling for various scenarios. In your opinion, when calculating for total amount of bitcoin mined, should I exclude Satoshi's huge account and an estimate for the total amount lost into oblivion, given the likelihood they will likely never be spent or transferred?
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Inflation occurs when there is a sustained increase in the general price level. Traditionally high inflation rates are considered to be damaging to an economy. High inflation creates uncertainty and can wipe away the value of savings.
Advantages of Inflation

Deflation is potentially very damaging to the economy and can lead to lower consumer spending and lower growth. For example, when prices are falling, consumers are encouraged to delay purchasing.
A moderate inflation rate reduces the real value of debt. If there is deflation, the real value of debt increases leading to a squeeze on disposable incomes.
Moderate rates of inflation allows prices to adjust.
Moderate rates of inflation is sign of a healthy economy. With economic growth, we usually get a degree of inflation.
Disadvantages of Inflation

High inflation rates tend to cause uncertainty and confusion leading to less investment. It is argued that countries with persistently higher inflation, tend to have lower rates of investment and economic growth.
Higher inflation leads to lower international competitiveness.
Menu costs. – Costs of changing price lists.
Inflation and stagnant wage growth leads to declining incomes.
Inflation can reduce the real value of savings, which might particularly affect old people who live on savings. However, it does depend on whether interest rates are higher than the inflation rate.
While deflation
Low prices for all
This means that low income earners will be able to afford essential items, so they'll be escaping the poverty bracket.
Also, because prices are low, workers may behave rationally and accept wage cuts, decreasing the costs of production for UK firms.
Thats all I can think of from the top of my head.
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Very Useful info.

Thanks for the information posted, I feel the value of BTC will continue increasing, but not sow fast as we expect. There is always a pick and from there it might go down.
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Bitcoin is very volatile do not you think? Sorry, I'm a newbie.

Yes, it is, but if you look at the altcoins they are much more volatile compared to Bitcoin.  Smiley
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Can governments opt for deflation? Is that good or bad for economy?
I Think This Is Singh OF Good Economy
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Bitcoin is very volatile do not you think? Sorry, I'm a newbie.
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Inflation- Price inflation refers to the decrease in the price of goods if bitcoin price increases. It is now a days measured in CPI i.e. Customer price index . Earlier people used WPI i.e. Wholesale price index to measure the commodities. It was 3.8% in august 2015. Inflation represents the structure of economy.

Deflation-Price deflation refers to the increase in the price of goofs if bitcoin price decreases. It occurs when the real value of inflation decreases to 0%. Therefore deflation increases the real value of money and even the regional economy. This allows a person to buy more goods in same amount of money.
There is jnverse relation in price and value of the product.
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yes its always happening in the market..inflation and deflation of price and money supply..maybe of lack of goods some manufacturers companies are not able to produce the volume of the product supply..
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Price inflation- It is defined as the value of the goods is decreased if the price of bitcoin increases. The annulised inflation rate in India was 3.8% till august 2015. Most of the people used WPI i.e wholesale price index for all the commodities. But now-a-days people use CPI i.e consumer price index to measure the rate in India.

Price deflation-It is defined as the value of goods when increased if the price of bitcoin decreases. It is the decrease in the price of goods and services. Deflation occurs when real value of inflation decreases to 0% that is negative. Therefore deflation increases the real value of money and regional economy. This allows one to buy more goods and services more with same amount of money.
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Can governments opt for deflation? Is that good or bad for economy?
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If said "In inflationary system like we have today it's suggested that 2% inflation is "healthy" for the economy." Huh Huh Huh
I agree on this. The economy around the world has inflation. Inflation also depends on the structure of the economy. The price of low-level tradeoffs in unemployment is rising, so a 2% inflation rate is justified.
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If said "In inflationary system like we have today it's suggested that 2% inflation is "healthy" for the economy." Huh Huh Huh
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An area dedicated to discussing the differences of these two terms and the theories supporting them.

I'm looking forward to an in-depth discussion on the subject! I've noticed that confusion between the two seems to come up quite a bit on the forum, and thought it may be reasonable to dedicate a thread on the matter.

Pulled from a discussion in Wall Observer



Price-Deflation is what you are used to hearing about in Bitcoin. That term is used to describe the prices of goods/services as they decrease, because the value of Bitcoin goes up.

Price-Inflation is the opposite. When prices of goods/services increase because the value of Bitcoin goes down.

So, when dealing with Price-Inflation or Deflation, there is an inverse relationship of price and value, in regard to goods/services and Bitcoin.

Example: As the Bitcoin price goes from $10 to $20, the prices of goods/services goes down from 20BTC to 10BTC. As the Bitcoin price goes from $20 to $10, the prices of goods/services goes from 10BTC to 20BTC!

Why does the price of Bitcoin go up and down? The price of BTC goes up and down based on the exchange rate, or market price, which is set by buyers and sellers, or traders. They directly trade the Bitcoin currency with all sorts of other currency, and even some with gold; the most popular being the USD (US dollar). They set the price when executing orders to buy or sell. I will get into the actual reason of why the price fluctuates in the last section.



Now that we've gone over PRICE Inflation and Deflation (which honestly, to me, is a term made popular by Keynesian's to hide the real facts, as price inflation/deflation is simply the market exchange rate, reflective of the money supply into a currency from itself and other currencies), let's go over the REAL inflation/deflation of a currency (otherwise known by many as Monetary Inflation).

MoneySupply-Inflation is when the value of Bitcoin decreases when the total supply of Bitcoin increases. In our current state, this is at a generation rate of 25 BTC every 10 minutes.

MoneySupply-Deflation will essentially never occur. It is when the value of Bitcoin increases when the total supply of Bitcoin decreases. This may happen, say, when someone loses their private key and all the BTC associated with it are lost. This effectively "makes the rest of us richer". That being said, there is a SET DECREASE in the generation rate of BTC, so you have sort of a "deflationary effect" in the value, as long as more exchange occurs for BTC at a rate which is faster than that set generation rate.

When all 21 million coins are produced, the MoneySupply will be neutral, and the value will continue to increase (prices will decrease, consequently), as long as people continue to exchange in BTC.

This leads me to the last section.



What determines the PRICE of Bitcoin? The VALUE of Bitcoin at a particular moment.

What determines the VALUE of Bitcoin? The SUPPLY and DEMAND of Bitcoin in the economy.

What determines the SUPPLY of Bitcoin? Currently, the MoneySupply-Inflation rate of 25 BTC every 10 minutes, and traders willing to SELL Bitcoin to BUYERS in exchange for other supplies of money (currencies).

What determines the DEMAND of Bitcoin? Traders willing to BUY Bitcoin from SELLERS in exchange for other currencies.


Therefore: BUYERS, SELLERS, and MONEYSUPPLY-INFLATION (miners) determine the VALUE of Bitcoin, which determines the PRICE of BTC as BUYERS and SELLERS trade based on that VALUE (or supply and demand) of Bitcoin.


We don't exactly know the totality of the supply and demand. Sure, we could try and aggregate data from all the exchanges, but we will never be accurate as there are exchanges which can not be accounted for (OTC). The cool thing is that we DO know the MoneySupply rate, and we DO know the exchange rate. From this, we can determine a real value of Bitcoin when simply multiplying the two factors; a sort of inflation-adjusted view of the currency.

Effectively, the quantitative analysis of supply and demand is really what the currency exchange traders attempt to accurately determine which is conveyed through buying and selling of Bitcoin, setting a VALUE via the PRICED exchange rate of the currency. On a side note, most of the big Market Makers (FX Traders) use this price movement as a way to make a profitable living, as well. Especially when price fluctuations are a consequence of hype or fear (bubbles, cliffs), not factual supply/demand data, and are wildly out of the real price range.

Thus, if you analyze the proper macroeconomic data in an attempt to forecast future DEMAND for more Bitcoin (price increase), you will realize some very interesting things, and have a more accurate picture of where the price is going...

Happy trading! Wink
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commodities in the same sense in economics as inflation is near the impossible.
Right now digital currencies are considered Commodities that's the easiest way
to consider it from now until at least another year from now. It's just going
to get really confusing if you try to manipulate that as a cash flow versus
inflation index.
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An area dedicated to discussing the differences of these two terms and the theories supporting them.

I'm looking forward to an in-depth discussion on the subject! I've noticed that confusion between the two seems to come up quite a bit on the forum, and thought it may be reasonable to dedicate a thread on the matter.

Pulled from a discussion in Wall Observer



Price-Deflation is what you are used to hearing about in Bitcoin. That term is used to describe the prices of goods/services as they decrease, because the value of Bitcoin goes up.

Price-Inflation is the opposite. When prices of goods/services increase because the value of Bitcoin goes down.

So, when dealing with Price-Inflation or Deflation, there is an inverse relationship of price and value, in regard to goods/services and Bitcoin.

Example: As the Bitcoin price goes from $10 to $20, the prices of goods/services goes down from 20BTC to 10BTC. As the Bitcoin price goes from $20 to $10, the prices of goods/services goes from 10BTC to 20BTC!

Why does the price of Bitcoin go up and down? The price of BTC goes up and down based on the exchange rate, or market price, which is set by buyers and sellers, or traders. They directly trade the Bitcoin currency with all sorts of other currency, and even some with gold; the most popular being the USD (US dollar). They set the price when executing orders to buy or sell. I will get into the actual reason of why the price fluctuates in the last section.



Now that we've gone over PRICE Inflation and Deflation (which honestly, to me, is a term made popular by Keynesian's to hide the real facts, as price inflation/deflation is simply the market exchange rate, reflective of the money supply into a currency from itself and other currencies), let's go over the REAL inflation/deflation of a currency (otherwise known by many as Monetary Inflation).

MoneySupply-Inflation is when the value of Bitcoin decreases when the total supply of Bitcoin increases. In our current state, this is at a generation rate of 25 BTC every 10 minutes.

MoneySupply-Deflation will essentially never occur. It is when the value of Bitcoin increases when the total supply of Bitcoin decreases. This may happen, say, when someone loses their private key and all the BTC associated with it are lost. This effectively "makes the rest of us richer". That being said, there is a SET DECREASE in the generation rate of BTC, so you have sort of a "deflationary effect" in the value, as long as more exchange occurs for BTC at a rate which is faster than that set generation rate.

When all 21 million coins are produced, the MoneySupply will be neutral, and the value will continue to increase (prices will decrease, consequently), as long as people continue to exchange in BTC.

This leads me to the last section.



What determines the PRICE of Bitcoin? The VALUE of Bitcoin at a particular moment.

What determines the VALUE of Bitcoin? The SUPPLY and DEMAND of Bitcoin in the economy.

What determines the SUPPLY of Bitcoin? Currently, the MoneySupply-Inflation rate of 25 BTC every 10 minutes, and traders willing to SELL Bitcoin to BUYERS in exchange for other supplies of money (currencies).

What determines the DEMAND of Bitcoin? Traders willing to BUY Bitcoin from SELLERS in exchange for other currencies.


Therefore: BUYERS, SELLERS, and MONEYSUPPLY-INFLATION (miners) determine the VALUE of Bitcoin, which determines the PRICE of BTC as BUYERS and SELLERS trade based on that VALUE (or supply and demand) of Bitcoin.


We don't exactly know the totality of the supply and demand. Sure, we could try and aggregate data from all the exchanges, but we will never be accurate as there are exchanges which can not be accounted for (OTC). The cool thing is that we DO know the MoneySupply rate, and we DO know the exchange rate. From this, we can determine a real value of Bitcoin when simply multiplying the two factors; a sort of inflation-adjusted view of the currency.

Effectively, the quantitative analysis of supply and demand is really what the currency exchange traders attempt to accurately determine which is conveyed through buying and selling of Bitcoin, setting a VALUE via the PRICED exchange rate of the currency. On a side note, most of the big Market Makers (FX Traders) use this price movement as a way to make a profitable living, as well. Especially when price fluctuations are a consequence of hype or fear (bubbles, cliffs), not factual supply/demand data, and are wildly out of the real price range.

Thus, if you analyze the proper macroeconomic data in an attempt to forecast future DEMAND for more Bitcoin (price increase), you will realize some very interesting things, and have a more accurate picture of where the price is going...

Happy trading! Wink


nice seem to be right and meaningful also helpful for me as a newbie to cryptocurrency :-)
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