Topic: [INFO] The Canary Thread - page 3. (Read 3155 times)

Bitcoin All Time High Bump
Looks like a lot of new and old eyes coming back to the forum recently with coins. Ever wonder what's under your hologram?

Should have a pretty major update with new coins/cards/notes towards the new year, if not shortly after. Lots of coins in the post still on their ways to me.

    Yep...will do so tonight and I bet that it will pass with flying colors. I will place for 2 weeks...test and place and leave in the glass for a loong time and every few weeks will test and place again...and on and on 

   This paper is unbelievable..I cant even rip it, yet you can cut with scissors easily.

  

@krogoth - thanks for the top tips on the Terra Slate paper 
Just an idea - have you thought about immersing the paper for something like 2 weeks , ie, if you were on holiday for 2 weeks and you had a flood ? This would probably be the max amount of time any paper would be under water ? Might be worth a test 

  
    Edit: as per request from Mbitr  will do as follows>>  I will place under water for 2 weeks...test and place and leave in the glass for a loong time and every few weeks will test and place again...and on and on  

Notable post by CryptoImperator that I would like to have documented here for future discussion about Crypto Imperator coins.

Now I get your "Looks at drill" gag on a recent Kia auction thread.
Your project is BTCalls!

Here’s a perfect example why this project is well needed.. if you can help with the project, plz do !




( reminder about Infinitum- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.34158136 )

It’s a valiant effort, teeGUMES - thank you for sharing and for your time in doing this… I’d like to donate a Kialara Original back to you or whomever donated this one to be destroyed. Just PM me a mailing address.

I thought I'd add: In my latest release; Messengers, and because each bar features a non-replaceable one-of-a-kind work of art, I believe there to be a chance that none may ever be ‘redeemed’, or if they are, it could be far enough into the future that it is critical the private key is legible for generations. And that’s why I added inside of each a backup copy of the private key hand-written in pencil - because charcoal won’t fade, basically, ever.

Here’s the test key I made. It covers the front and back of a small square of museum quality archival paper which is then laminated.



Best,

Max-

Let me preface my answer with the fact that I am not an expert in any field associated with ink or paper, just a guy with a microscope and an idea for a thread.

The first part of your question is exactly what we'll be testing here. Everything unpeeled should technically last longer than the peeled coins on display here. It really starts to come together when you have the data that we already have with the Casascius coins I currently have. 2011 | 2014 | 2020 peel dates and they all look like they were peeled yesterday. Mind you they were all stored in an "unpeeled state" with the private key insert facing the metal and the hologram loosely reapplied to the best of the once-peeled adhesive's ability to hold it down. I've been thinking about this and I have a 2013 Casascius Brass 1BTC on its way to me in the mail right now. I am going to leave the insert and hologram facing upwards like you see in the third picture of each coin here just as a side project.. I believe the more data we have out in the open will benefit the whole Collectibles area. I might do this with a few popular duplicate items, have an "Outlier" section of this project.

Laminating could prove beneficial but there are always the different pros and cons with each new step added to making coins. You may extend the life yes, if you choose the right laminating material.. as we've seen with different top loading sleeves we never really know whats good and whats bad until something really bad happens. You don't want to be the coin maker to find out whats bad.
Also with laminating I feel like the dimensions of your paper insert now change. Thicker, taller, wider.. this now means less hologram to metal ratio which makes your coin more delicate and prone to a hologram coming off on its own. You solve this by making your paper insert smaller to compensate.. but now your private key or QR code is printed smaller and tighter.. more of a chance for the ink to bleed into an unrecognizable format.

There are just so many "what ifs" to think of, I think being a coin creator today you have to look back and just see "what works" and focus on increasing security rather than trying to reinvent the wheel.
Now speaking of the wheel.. is it really a paper insert that relies on the lifespan of paper and ink? I'm already thinking about six months in the future when I pull all these coins out to throw under the microscope again.. the question already in the back of my mind is do I really have to scope the engraved coins**? Something to think about.

**of course I will


Side note: I'd be very interested in an experienced tattoo artists' opinion.

TeeGumes......A question to ponder...Some of the private keys are completely encapsulated inside a hologram with no air or light contact( especially if facing away from the hologram), would this extend the life of the paper and or ink compared to similar ones that are exposed? Also to ponder, would laminated priv keys extend the life of such ink and paper?

  A good article on paper and ink and the effect of light Photofading of Ballpoint Dyes Studied on Paper

Great thread, thank you so much for this.

Its been on my mind a bit lately on how the quality of the ink may degrade over time, so this thread has been a god send

Thanks!

Outstanding work teeGUMES.

I sent you all the merit I had left. Thanks for the informative thread, extremely well put together!

EDIT: Regarding the Satori coin, I have some old emails from one of their employees. I'll contact him to see if he can share information about the paper/ink they used.

Oh Wow, I've been in suspense forever now about this, this is really great, thanks so much Tee!

amazing work and fantastic quality, i am astounded by the quality of work produced by the collectible community.

I'm no ink or paper connoisseur so I can't play favorites. I'm very curious to see this progress throughout the years.. even though some of the printing is really fine and clean looking, has it really "sunk" into the paper as well as some of the others? I tend to believe that the ability of the paper to retain the ink is going to be the superior detail over just a clean print job.

Look at the Casascius coins.. if I didn't tell you they were peeled in 2011, 2014, and 2020 you probably would have guessed I peeled them all yesterday.

Another note I wanted to make was that whatever was placed over the Kialara private key made it near impossible to get a good focus/picture when zoomed in. At no point could I really get down to the nitty gritty and see the ink particles or threads of the paper.

One thing I do know is that the creator's that have gotten back to me with additional information are definitely thinking about us when it comes time to peel, whether it be now or twenty years down the road. With our current group of innovators/creators we are in great hands.

A project I'd like to add is to submerge QR code/private key slips underwater for a lengthy amount of time.. put the "water resistant ink/paper" claims to the test. Lets see what 2021 can do for us first though.

Awesome thread thanks so much for putting in all this effort to help all collectors sleep better. Is there a best and worst option so far in your opinion?

Bonus video to really make you cry.
Kialara Gore

I did this to ensure your kids/grandkids will be able to live healthy lives due to knowing the bitcoin you saved for them on your coins is still there!

wow so many wonderful items on this page ! 

I'm more and more attracted to these collectibles...is this a serious problem, doctor ?

Bookmarked thread 

This is one of the most interesting threads I have read on bitcointalk, which is well documented and interesting
Thank you for this