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The Sceptical Chymist

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Quote from: Lauda on March 28, 2018, 01:04:31 PM

I missed that one; I'll also comment if I find some time.

Thank you, because I asked for your input specifically as well.

Edit: I removed red trust from users I'd left it for, for suspected merit abuse only. That doesn't include the bounty cheaters or members who'd committed some other offense concurrently. I'm still in the process of removing all those negs for shitposters. I thought I'd gotten them all, but it seems there's always more.

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Quote from: Vod on March 28, 2018, 11:07:50 AM

Negative trust is being given out inconsistently for merit abuse.
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But is this really abuse? For example, on the first day, Lauda and Atriz exchanged 80 merits between them.
http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/profile.aspx?p=Lauda

On my own profile, I have sent 20 merit to a user who has sent me 8 back.
http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/profile.aspx?p=Vod

Even the person that left you negative trust has the same behavior on his account with TMAN.
http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/profile.aspx?p=The%20Pharmacist
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IMO if someone is going to red paint another for leaving reciprocal merit, they should do it evenly and not pick and choose. :/

I don't see any of those examples being valid for this case. In all those three examples, none of the participating parties are not alt accounts and to our knowledge they haven't attempted to sell/buy merit. However, in the case of OP we are talking about multiple accounts per entity (assuming the alt account connection is valid; I have not checked the details of the report) abusing both bounties and merit.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on March 28, 2018, 12:30:12 PM

Thanks for chiming in, Vod. I specifically asked for your opinion here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/soliciting-opinions-on-how-to-deal-with-suspected-merit-abusers-3202458
, and now I have it. I'm going to revisit any feedback I've left specifically for merit abuse, and I'll probably end up deleting it. I hate doing that, but I tend to agree with you on the merit issue.

I missed that one; I'll also comment if I find some time.

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Quote from: Vod on March 28, 2018, 11:07:50 AM

IMO if someone is going to red paint another for leaving reciprocal merit, they should do it evenly and not pick and choose. :/

I agree, which is why I've been conflicted about leaving negs for suspected merit abuse from day one, and I said it in another thread that if you were to look at my merit history you'd probably think I was trading them with TMAN or Foxpup--and I have no way of proving that in reality I have no idea who either of them are, have never spoken to either one outside of a couple of PMs (TMAN) that did not pertain to merits or anything like that, and that it's a case of respecting one another.

This guy here, though? Looks like he's cheating bounties as well. That is a forum no-no, and I'm confident my feedback here is correct.

Thanks for chiming in, Vod. I specifically asked for your opinion here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/soliciting-opinions-on-how-to-deal-with-suspected-merit-abusers-3202458
, and now I have it. I'm going to revisit any feedback I've left specifically for merit abuse, and I'll probably end up deleting it. I hate doing that, but I tend to agree with you on the merit issue.

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Quote from: athanz88 on March 28, 2018, 12:05:23 PM

Quote from: Ma1evich on March 28, 2018, 11:34:59 AM

Quote from: 1993jochico on March 28, 2018, 11:20:59 AM

Quote from: Ma1evich on March 28, 2018, 10:37:51 AM

Quote from: Pumapipa on March 28, 2018, 10:23:14 AM

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How do I prove that i have one account only? if you need a KYC, I'm ready.

I guess in your case, even though you are done with the KYC, you are still guilty because of merit abusing with your friends, or rather it may be called as merit farming, an act of merit cheating between "friends" in top of a bad posts. Well i guess it is a hard thing to do to clear your red trust right now with all of the findings above.

If not now, but how can i in the future return the trust?

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Quote from: Vod on March 28, 2018, 11:07:50 AM

Negative trust is being given out inconsistently for merit abuse.

Yes OP, it "appears" you abused Merit a bit by exchanging merit with meloman4u, sashu and Krypt211 and Grandik29. You both sent identical amount of merits to each other.
http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/profile.aspx?p=Ma1evich

But is this really abuse? For example, on the first day, Lauda and Atriz exchanged 80 merits between them.
http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/profile.aspx?p=Lauda

On my own profile, I have sent 20 merit to a user who has sent me 8 back.
http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/profile.aspx?p=Vod

Even the person that left you negative trust has the same behavior on his account with TMAN.
http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/profile.aspx?p=The%20Pharmacist

Theymos stated negative trust should only be left for extreme cases. How do we determine extreme?

IMO if someone is going to red paint another for leaving reciprocal merit, they should do it evenly and not pick and choose. :/

You are forgetting that those high ranking members deserved that merit and more! It is unfair to say that everyone should have to follow the same rules. This site is just like real life, you cannot grab a women by the private parts but if you are president it's okay

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Quote from: 1993jochico on March 28, 2018, 11:58:20 AM

It is easy to change your location, but still give it a try.

Okay.., Lets say that all of them are your "friends", so they must be tagged too because all of you abuse the system by giving and receiving merit from each other that is completely a merit abuse? Isnt it unfair for you if they are not tagged?

Could you give a link to the rules that explain how to use a personal merit? I didn't find the rules for using merit.

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Quote from: Ma1evich on March 28, 2018, 11:34:59 AM

Quote from: 1993jochico on March 28, 2018, 11:20:59 AM

Quote from: Ma1evich on March 28, 2018, 10:37:51 AM

Quote from: Pumapipa on March 28, 2018, 10:23:14 AM

snip

How do I prove that i have one account only? if you need a KYC, I'm ready.

I guess in your case, even though you are done with the KYC, you are still guilty because of merit abusing with your friends, or rather it may be called as merit farming, an act of merit cheating between "friends" in top of a bad posts. Well i guess it is a hard thing to do to clear your red trust right now with all of the findings above.

1993jochico

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It is easy to change your location, but still give it a try.

Okay.., Lets say that all of them are your "friends", so they must be tagged too because all of you abuse the system by giving and receiving merit from each other that is completely a merit abuse? Isnt it unfair for you if they are not tagged?

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Quote from: Ma1evich on March 28, 2018, 11:12:47 AM

Quote from: 1993jochico on March 28, 2018, 11:02:26 AM

Yeah We all can clearly see that you give "VOLUNTARILY" your merits to "someone" (if those are not your alts) and return it back to you. Still merit abuse and take note you just give a selected users and obviously your alts.

example: Im not yet done with this report Ill add it in this LINK after finishing the report and you will surely regret this "INJUSTICE" post.
This accounts are accidentally online on the same period of time and also accidentally merited same accounts.

I can provide any proof that I have no Alt and this different people, this my friends. how do I prove that to be true?

Here it is visible that these people from one country and from one city.

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Quote from: 1993jochico on March 28, 2018, 11:20:59 AM

Quote from: Ma1evich on March 28, 2018, 10:37:51 AM

Quote from: Pumapipa on March 28, 2018, 10:23:14 AM

This is also my question I asked to myself. Though I don't have a red trust, I am curious as to how a person gets red trust and who gives such? If for example a person had multiple accounts but joined separate bounty campaigns will he get red trust?

as I know, having multiple accounts on the forum is not prohibited. The only rule is not to participate in the same bounty. But I can be wrong.

Why did you say this if you have no alts, you are contradicting your statements.

Lets say that all of them are your friends then they must be tagged too because all of you abuse the system by giving and receiving from each other? It is unfair to you if they are not tagged.

As I search you and your friends has 10+ accounts.

How do I prove that i have one account only? if you need a KYC, I'm ready.

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Quote from: Vod on March 28, 2018, 11:07:50 AM

But is this really abuse? For example, on the first day, Lauda and Atriz exchanged 80 merits between them.
http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/profile.aspx?p=Lauda

On my own profile, I have sent 20 merit to a user who has sent me 8 back.
http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/profile.aspx?p=Vod

Even the person that left you negative trust has the same behavior on his account with TMAN.
http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/profile.aspx?p=The%20Pharmacist

Theymos stated negative trust should only be left for extreme cases. How do we determine extreme?

IMO if someone is going to red paint another for leaving reciprocal merit, they should do it evenly and not pick and choose. :/

First few days after merit was introduced there were a lot of confusions on how to use them so it was obvious that people were making mistakes. But as the days are going everyone now should be aware and careful about sending merits to others. I wonder thinking still people are sending 50 merits (today). Tell me does this one worth 50 merits or may be a positive tagging

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I feel ashamed for them kind of Legendary members. Am i missing something here?

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Quote from: Vod on March 28, 2018, 11:07:50 AM

Negative trust is being given out inconsistently for merit abuse.

Yes OP, it "appears" you abused Merit a bit by exchanging merit with meloman4u, sashu and Krypt211 and Grandik29. You both sent identical amount of merits to each other.
http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/profile.aspx?p=Ma1evich

But is this really abuse? For example, on the first day, Lauda and Atriz exchanged 80 merits between them.
http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/profile.aspx?p=Lauda

On my own profile, I have sent 20 merit to a user who has sent me 8 back.
http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/profile.aspx?p=Vod

Even the person that left you negative trust has the same behavior on his account with TMAN.
http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/profile.aspx?p=The%20Pharmacist

Theymos stated negative trust should only be left for extreme cases. How do we determine extreme?

IMO if someone is going to red paint another for leaving reciprocal merit, they should do it evenly and not pick and choose. :/

I have the same situation, was a voluntary exchange of Marits between friends, but I don't know how to prove that my friends and I are different people?

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Quote from: Ma1evich on March 28, 2018, 10:37:51 AM

Quote from: Pumapipa on March 28, 2018, 10:23:14 AM

This is also my question I asked to myself. Though I don't have a red trust, I am curious as to how a person gets red trust and who gives such? If for example a person had multiple accounts but joined separate bounty campaigns will he get red trust?

as I know, having multiple accounts on the forum is not prohibited. The only rule is not to participate in the same bounty. But I can be wrong.

Why did you say this if you have no alts, you are contradicting your statements.

Lets say that all of them are your friends then they must be tagged too because all of you abuse the system by giving and receiving from each other? It is unfair to you if they are not tagged.

As I search you and your friends has 10+ accounts.

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Quote from: 1993jochico on March 28, 2018, 11:02:26 AM

Yeah We all can clearly see that you give "VOLUNTARILY" your merits to "someone" (if those are not your alts) and return it back to you. Still merit abuse and take note you just give a selected users and obviously your alts.

example: Im not yet done with this report Ill add it in this LINK after finishing the report and you will surely regret this "INJUSTICE" post.
This accounts are accidentally online on the same period of time and also accidentally merited same accounts.

I can provide any proof that I have no Alt and this different people, this my friends. how do I prove that to be true?

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Negative trust is being given out inconsistently for merit abuse.

Yes OP, it "appears" you abused Merit a bit by exchanging merit with meloman4u, sashu and Krypt211 and Grandik29. You both sent identical amount of merits to each other.
http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/profile.aspx?p=Ma1evich

But is this really abuse? For example, on the first day, Lauda and Atriz exchanged 80 merits between them.
http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/profile.aspx?p=Lauda

On my own profile, I have sent 20 merit to a user who has sent me 8 back.
http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/profile.aspx?p=Vod

Even the person that left you negative trust has the same behavior on his account with TMAN.
http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/profile.aspx?p=The%20Pharmacist

Theymos stated negative trust should only be left for extreme cases. How do we determine extreme?

IMO if someone is going to red paint another for leaving reciprocal merit, they should do it evenly and not pick and choose. :/

1993jochico

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Yeah We all can clearly see that you give "VOLUNTARILY" your merits to "someone" (if those are not your alts) and return it back to you. Still merit abuse and take note you just give a selected users and obviously your alts.

example: Im not yet done with this report Ill add it in this LINK after finishing the report and you will surely regret this "INJUSTICE" post.
This accounts are accidentally online on the same period of time and also accidentally merited same accounts.

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Quote from: 1993jochico on March 28, 2018, 10:34:00 AM

It is obvious that you abuse the merit system, you ever heard a word Injustice when you are cheating for bounty campaigns from the community? Now its time for those abusers to get their punishments.

This image is enough to prove that you cheat to the forum and abuse the community.

Your still lucky there are other accounts that are not tagged yet, wait for it.
Abusers deserves punishment.

I voluntarily gave my Merits. I do not sell or buy merits. given the post from theymos that I did not break anything. the link to the post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28857096

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Quote from: Ma1evich on March 28, 2018, 10:37:51 AM

Quote from: Pumapipa on March 28, 2018, 10:23:14 AM

This is also my question I asked to myself. Though I don't have a red trust, I am curious as to how a person gets red trust and who gives such? If for example a person had multiple accounts but joined separate bounty campaigns will he get red trust?

as I know, having multiple accounts on the forum is not prohibited. The only rule is not to participate in the same bounty. But I can be wrong.

Dont act like innocent you have too many high ranked accounts and you still dont know the rules? Come on, making farmer accounts is cheating. You really need to start over again and get literated to forums rules and regulations.

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Seems like I red tagged you as well.

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Instead of making a post about it why not you just follow the post link I left on the red trust.

Doing this(making a post about it) is not gonna help you.

I can see you abused the merit system no doubt about it.

Good luck.

Quote from: Ma1evich on March 28, 2018, 10:37:51 AM

as I know, having multiple accounts on the forum is not prohibited. The only rule is not to participate in the same bounty. But I can be wrong.

You were tagged for abusing merit. Why are you talking ImageLoading...

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Quote from: Pumapipa on March 28, 2018, 10:23:14 AM

This is also my question I asked to myself. Though I don't have a red trust, I am curious as to how a person gets red trust and who gives such? If for example a person had multiple accounts but joined separate bounty campaigns will he get red trust?

as I know, having multiple accounts on the forum is not prohibited. The only rule is not to participate in the same bounty. But I can be wrong.

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