Inoue vs Akhmadaliev ordered by the WBA no later than September 25 - page 2.

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It looks like this fight might not happen after all,

https://x.com/MikeCoppinger/status/1811117493219418582

I really don't know why Bob Arum or the camp of Inoue not wanting to face Akhmadaliev. And if they totally step aside him, then most likely Inoue might be strip of his WBA belt so he won't be the undisputed 4 belt titlist.

TJ Doheny is a former IBF title holder and has fought in Japan, but I do think that Akhmadaliev deserves a shot as he is also a former champion.

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^^ I would say that those comparison for now are invalid, I mean Inoue is very much active and we still don't know that the fighters that he has beaten already might some day be in the Boxing Hall of Fame. For now, it's Nonito, and then we have to understand that Pacquiao resume of Hall of Famer that he beat is 130 lbs - 147 lbs. And Inoue hasn't move up that much to this weight class wherein there could be a lot of potential Hall of Famers as compare to 118 lbs to 122 lbs so it's to early to compare.

For Bob Arum's statement, it's very obvious that as promoter of Inoue, he had to show praises to his prize fighter and still bring the hype although we already know what Inoue is capable of. But Inoue has to continue to proved more, but then again, can he go up as high as what Manny did during his career?

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 26, 2024, 05:26:18 AM

I agree that Inoue should just fight Akhmadaliev, the WBA mandatory instead of TJ Doheny. But maybe Doheny and Inoue's team are requesting the WBO to install it as a mandatory to avoid being stripped of his WBA belt. Doheny is currently WBO #2 but the #1 ranked is Sam Goodman who is already the IBF mandatory so it is possible that the WBO will announce that Inoue-Doheny is their official WBO mandatory fight.

Casimero is ranked #3 by the WBO. If TJ Doheny and Sam Goodman losses to Inoue this year then he gets the #1 rank next year. But Casimero has to stay active if he wants the WBO to continue preserving his rank. I don't care if Casimero gets Inoue or not but he should be able to get a title shot next year because he is running out of time.

I don't know what the Inoue team is thinking but if they are talking about legacy and greatness the best choice of fighter to fight is Casimero let's admit it Casimero is a hall of fame candidate he is a holder of three titles in different weight category IBF junior-flyweight title from 2012 to 2013; the IBF flyweight title in 2016; and the WBO bantamweight title from 2019 to 2022.

Bob Arum has been comparing Inoue with Pacquiao even to the point of saying that he is even than Pacquiao

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“Inoue is a tremendous, tremendous fighter, like we’ve never seen before, maybe since Manny Pacquiao—probably better than Pacquiao was,” Arum told Little Giant Boxing.

Bob Arum: Inoue is a Tremendous Fighter…Probably Better Than Pacquiao Was

But checking both their achievement at the age of thirty we will see that Pacquiao is far better achiever than Inoue

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 26, 2024, 05:26:18 AM

Quote from: TravelMug on June 25, 2024, 02:15:41 AM

^^ Yes, it's going to be very difficult to defend all his belts, sooner or later, Inoue will have to vacant some of them if he wish to fish 3 or 4 before moving up in the division. The best scenario will be against Akhmadaliev and then go up with all the belts intact instead of vacating it.

But I guess, Inoue wanted to still test himself against all the mandatories at 122 lbs and he could be thinking that 126 is going to be very difficult for him. But with the whole country of Japan behind him, for sure he will jump to 126 lbs the soonest. Japan has now a lot of champions, and very much active in the lower division. Philippines though is lagging behind with their Asian neighbor since the departure of some of their champions, like Pacman and Donaire. But there is still hope that Casimero can become a champion at 122 lbs when it opens up and Inoue vacating it.

I agree that Inoue should just fight Akhmadaliev, the WBA mandatory instead of TJ Doheny. But maybe Doheny and Inoue's team are requesting the WBO to install it as a mandatory to avoid being stripped of his WBA belt. Doheny is currently WBO #2 but the #1 ranked is Sam Goodman who is already the IBF mandatory so it is possible that the WBO will announce that Inoue-Doheny is their official WBO mandatory fight.

Casimero is ranked #3 by the WBO. If TJ Doheny and Sam Goodman losses to Inoue this year then he gets the #1 rank next year. But Casimero has to stay active if he wants the WBO to continue preserving his rank. I don't care if Casimero gets Inoue or not but he should be able to get a title shot next year because he is running out of time.

Yeah, that is the thing with Casimero, he is not that active and his fight at 122 lbs is not that impressive. So he really needs to sit down with his Japanese trainer at least force him to negotiate a good fight for him next. Or who knows, maybe his Japanese promoter will put him and fight in Japan and face a Japanese fighter.

Otherwise it will be too late for him, he is already 35 years old, we know that Manny fights until his 40's, but he is a exception to the rule. Donaire is like 39 years old when he fought Inoue and we all know that happened to him.

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Quote from: TravelMug on June 25, 2024, 02:15:41 AM

^^ Yes, it's going to be very difficult to defend all his belts, sooner or later, Inoue will have to vacant some of them if he wish to fish 3 or 4 before moving up in the division. The best scenario will be against Akhmadaliev and then go up with all the belts intact instead of vacating it.

But I guess, Inoue wanted to still test himself against all the mandatories at 122 lbs and he could be thinking that 126 is going to be very difficult for him. But with the whole country of Japan behind him, for sure he will jump to 126 lbs the soonest. Japan has now a lot of champions, and very much active in the lower division. Philippines though is lagging behind with their Asian neighbor since the departure of some of their champions, like Pacman and Donaire. But there is still hope that Casimero can become a champion at 122 lbs when it opens up and Inoue vacating it.

I agree that Inoue should just fight Akhmadaliev, the WBA mandatory instead of TJ Doheny. But maybe Doheny and Inoue's team are requesting the WBO to install it as a mandatory to avoid being stripped of his WBA belt. Doheny is currently WBO #2 but the #1 ranked is Sam Goodman who is already the IBF mandatory so it is possible that the WBO will announce that Inoue-Doheny is their official WBO mandatory fight.

Casimero is ranked #3 by the WBO. If TJ Doheny and Sam Goodman losses to Inoue this year then he gets the #1 rank next year. But Casimero has to stay active if he wants the WBO to continue preserving his rank. I don't care if Casimero gets Inoue or not but he should be able to get a title shot next year because he is running out of time.

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Quote from: Yatsan on June 24, 2024, 12:51:45 PM

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This is another great fight, and if Inoue wins here, I think he already clean up the division, although there are just one name that is going to be a big question, it's John Riel Casimero of the Philippines.

Doubt Casimero will be dominating Inoue given how strong Inoue have become, without a single loss. Well, yes, having a clean record doesn't guarantee winning but at least it is enough as a basis on how good an athlete is.

Yes, could be another what if for Casimero, he really blow the chances of fighting him at 118 lbs. But that chance went to Butler and Inoue just knock him out in round 11 if my memory serves me right.

Quote from: Yatsan on June 24, 2024, 12:51:45 PM

But going back, I would still be favoring Inoue against Murodjon. The kid is indeed a good fighter but I think he still lacks experience with pro scene unlike with Inoue who fought against many big fighters coming to sweep the division. Inoue's last fight proved that he can take haymaker head on and recover during a fight and still bag a victory. There's just so much talent to Naoya and after this match, I think he should be exploring ither divisions as well if he would like to test his strength against more known fighters. Even big name fighters recognize Inoue's skills and that's for a reason of course.

I think everyone is favoring Inoue at 122 lbs, although he has suffered his first knockdown against the hands of Neri and we could that there could be a big upset. And perhaps Inoue felt embarrassed by it. However, he shows how great he is, as he comeback and then knockout Neri with a perfect counter. Akhmadaliev style is similar to Tapales though and we have seen Tapales vs Inoue and the same result, Marlon getting knockout. So this might be the same case here, maybe before round 10, Akhmadaliev will go down and Inoue having another knockout win.

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^^ Yes, it's going to be very difficult to defend all his belts, sooner or later, Inoue will have to vacant some of them if he wish to fish 3 or 4 before moving up in the division. The best scenario will be against Akhmadaliev and then go up with all the belts intact instead of vacating it.

But I guess, Inoue wanted to still test himself against all the mandatories at 122 lbs and he could be thinking that 126 is going to be very difficult for him. But with the whole country of Japan behind him, for sure he will jump to 126 lbs the soonest. Japan has now a lot of champions, and very much active in the lower division. Philippines though is lagging behind with their Asian neighbor since the departure of some of their champions, like Pacman and Donaire. But there is still hope that Casimero can become a champion at 122 lbs when it opens up and Inoue vacating it.

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Quote from: stadus on June 24, 2024, 07:56:06 AM

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I'm also fine with Inoue moving up in weight and giving chance to others to contest all the belts once again. Inoue if he has plans to move up, he better do it now because he is also in his early 30s already. Casimero is already 35 years old, he is showing signs of slowing down. I also think this is his last division and we're not even sure if he has enough left to become champion once again. Casimero better gets active once again so he can be ready when the opportunity comes whether it's Inoue of just for the vacant belts.

True, he made title defense a couple of times and the fight wasn't even close, it's very clear that he dominated the division, so there's no reason for him to stay, unless he is afraid to push his limit. Moving up in weight seemed not a problem for Inoue, so I guess he should continue and try to make his country and his fans prouder especially if he could again become an undisputed champion.

at 126 lbs, he will be facing the champions.

WBC - Rey Vargas
WBA - Raymond Ford
IBF - Luis Lopez
WBO- Rafael Espinoza

I guess these boxers are not popular, so Inoue should be able to still dominate here.

I was actually surprised when Inoue and his team after beating Tapales and unifying all the belts at 122 stated that they will defend the undisputed title 3 or 4 times. That's a lot of fight unless they are decided not to fight anymore at 126.

That champs are 126 are not that popular but they'll be bigger than Inoue for sure. That's like Canelo moving up top to 175 and was heavily favored to win another title only to get schooled by the unpopular Dmitry Bivol. But I also believe the skills and power of Inoue is enough to become a 5 division world champion but I am not too sure about becoming undisputed again.

Raymond Ford just lost his WBA belt to Nick Ball who also had a split draw with WBC champ earlier.

Quote from: bisdak40 on June 24, 2024, 11:42:04 PM

As for Casimero, i don't think that Inoue or Top Rank would give the chance to fight the Japanese monster as they already laid the plan and Casimero's name wasn't on it. Two fights in the super bantamweight to be held in Japan then move up to the featherweight and still fight in Japan hehe. Seems to me that Inoue have no plan on fight outside Japan in the next two years i think. Even those prospect opponents are will to travel to Japan just to have a fight with Inoue and we can't blame them as the money is even larger than them fighting in Vegas.

The best thing for Casimero is to stay active to better his rankings with or without Inoue.

Japan is just too rich and boxing is very much alive in that country which is why their companies and people are willing to pay. Las Vegas or ESPN or Arum and their partners should offer more if they want to bring Inoue outside Japan.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 24, 2024, 06:48:43 AM

I'm also fine with Inoue moving up in weight and giving chance to others to contest all the belts once again. Inoue if he has plans to move up, he better do it now because he is also in his early 30s already. Casimero is already 35 years old, he is showing signs of slowing down. I also think this is his last division and we're not even sure if he has enough left to become champion once again. Casimero better gets active once again so he can be ready when the opportunity comes whether it's Inoue of just for the vacant belts.

As for Casimero, i don't think that Inoue or Top Rank would give the chance to fight the Japanese monster as they already laid the plan and Casimero's name wasn't on it. Two fights in the super bantamweight to be held in Japan then move up to the featherweight and still fight in Japan hehe. Seems to me that Inoue have no plan on fight outside Japan in the next two years i think. Even those prospect opponents are will to travel to Japan just to have a fight with Inoue and we can't blame them as the money is even larger than them fighting in Vegas.

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Quote from: Kemarit on June 14, 2024, 05:20:38 PM

This is another great fight, and if Inoue wins here, I think he already clean up the division, although there are just one name that is going to be a big question, it's John Riel Casimero of the Philippines.

Doubt Casimero will be dominating Inoue given how strong Inoue have become, without a single loss. Well, yes, having a clean record doesn't guarantee winning but at least it is enough as a basis on how good an athlete is.

But going back, I would still be favoring Inoue against Murodjon. The kid is indeed a good fighter but I think he still lacks experience with pro scene unlike with Inoue who fought against many big fighters coming to sweep the division. Inoue's last fight proved that he can take haymaker head on and recover during a fight and still bag a victory. There's just so much talent to Naoya and after this match, I think he should be exploring ither divisions as well if he would like to test his strength against more known fighters. Even big name fighters recognize Inoue's skills and that's for a reason of course.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 24, 2024, 06:48:43 AM

I'm also fine with Inoue moving up in weight and giving chance to others to contest all the belts once again. Inoue if he has plans to move up, he better do it now because he is also in his early 30s already. Casimero is already 35 years old, he is showing signs of slowing down. I also think this is his last division and we're not even sure if he has enough left to become champion once again. Casimero better gets active once again so he can be ready when the opportunity comes whether it's Inoue of just for the vacant belts.

True, he made title defense a couple of times and the fight wasn't even close, it's very clear that he dominated the division, so there's no reason for him to stay, unless he is afraid to push his limit. Moving up in weight seemed not a problem for Inoue, so I guess he should continue and try to make his country and his fans prouder especially if he could again become an undisputed champion.

at 126 lbs, he will be facing the champions.

WBC - Rey Vargas
WBA - Raymond Ford
IBF - Luis Lopez
WBO- Rafael Espinoza

I guess these boxers are not popular, so Inoue should be able to still dominate here.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on June 24, 2024, 06:14:29 AM

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So it seems like there are only 2 more fights for Inoue and then he goes up in weight once again. And the name of TJ Doheny continues to soar as the most likely opponent on Inoue's September return. I just realized that IBF mandatory, Sam Goodman has a fight next month so it means he is not available on September unless he is okay getting exploited with a short rest and short training camp. But given that WBA mandatory Akhmadaliev is available, I am curious if the WBA will strip Inoue. Anyways, what I heard is Inoue fighting against Doheny and then a December fight against Goodman and then he will be at 126 by next year. Maybe Casimero can fight for the WBO vacant belt next year once Inoue vacates it.

Probably just another 2 more fights and it will be against mandatory, and he could be just fulfilling his obligation to not get strip. And if Inoue is not going to be damage or his possible opponents, then maybe he can have them still this year before he moves up.

Could be blessing for fighters are 122 lbs if Inoue goes at 126 lbs as it will create a vacuum and possible for Casimero to become a champion. But I don't see him moving as high as 126 lbs, maybe this will be Casimero's weight limit and so the fight with Inoue might not happen.

I'm also fine with Inoue moving up in weight and giving chance to others to contest all the belts once again. Inoue if he has plans to move up, he better do it now because he is also in his early 30s already. Casimero is already 35 years old, he is showing signs of slowing down. I also think this is his last division and we're not even sure if he has enough left to become champion once again. Casimero better gets active once again so he can be ready when the opportunity comes whether it's Inoue of just for the vacant belts.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 23, 2024, 03:22:36 AM

So it seems like there are only 2 more fights for Inoue and then he goes up in weight once again. And the name of TJ Doheny continues to soar as the most likely opponent on Inoue's September return. I just realized that IBF mandatory, Sam Goodman has a fight next month so it means he is not available on September unless he is okay getting exploited with a short rest and short training camp. But given that WBA mandatory Akhmadaliev is available, I am curious if the WBA will strip Inoue. Anyways, what I heard is Inoue fighting against Doheny and then a December fight against Goodman and then he will be at 126 by next year. Maybe Casimero can fight for the WBO vacant belt next year once Inoue vacates it.

Probably just another 2 more fights and it will be against mandatory, and he could be just fulfilling his obligation to not get strip. And if Inoue is not going to be damage or his possible opponents, then maybe he can have them still this year before he moves up.

Could be blessing for fighters are 122 lbs if Inoue goes at 126 lbs as it will create a vacuum and possible for Casimero to become a champion. But I don't see him moving as high as 126 lbs, maybe this will be Casimero's weight limit and so the fight with Inoue might not happen.

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So it seems like there are only 2 more fights for Inoue and then he goes up in weight once again. And the name of TJ Doheny continues to soar as the most likely opponent on Inoue's September return. I just realized that IBF mandatory, Sam Goodman has a fight next month so it means he is not available on September unless he is okay getting exploited with a short rest and short training camp. But given that WBA mandatory Akhmadaliev is available, I am curious if the WBA will strip Inoue. Anyways, what I heard is Inoue fighting against Doheny and then a December fight against Goodman and then he will be at 126 by next year. Maybe Casimero can fight for the WBO vacant belt next year once Inoue vacates it.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on June 18, 2024, 08:59:47 PM

Team Inoue/Top Rank's plan is to fight TJ Doheney next as the latter is somewhat popular in Japan where he won his last three bouts there and if successful against Doheney, they will be going against IBF mandatory Sam Goodman before moving up to the featherweight division. Seems that Inoue is not keen on fighting in Las Vegas if we base our speculation to their plans.

Inoue already faced the best the Super Welterweight can offer there's no name here that can match up his power, skill, and speed I don't want to include Casimero although he is a worthy opponent, Team Inoue or any organization doesn't want anything to do with Casimero, he should move up and go against top superstars in the higher division and not staking wins against weak opponents.

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As for Casimero, if only he is impressive against Japanese opponents, i think that his chance of fighting Inoue will increase since he will be popular in Japan.

He doesn't need to be impressive against Japanese fighters as long as he is a worthy opponent, Casimero is a journeyman and has fought many ob his opponents' territories he likes to go to enemy territory and beat him to show how great he is.

Exactly, he needs to win impressively at 122 lbs so that he can have a crack against Inoue. One positive thing that goes with Casimero is that he has a Japanese manager so that might help him secure a fight with Inoue assuming that Inoue will not go up in weight after his fight with Akhmadaliev.

And then Casimero having a fight this year whoever it is as long as it is a good fighter or maybe in the top 5 and win impressively. Maybe that time Inoue and his camp will give him the chance to have a crack at the Japanese champion.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on June 18, 2024, 08:59:47 PM

Team Inoue/Top Rank's plan is to fight TJ Doheney next as the latter is somewhat popular in Japan where he won his last three bouts there and if successful against Doheney, they will be going against IBF mandatory Sam Goodman before moving up to the featherweight division. Seems that Inoue is not keen on fighting in Las Vegas if we base our speculation to their plans.

Inoue already faced the best the Super Welterweight can offer there's no name here that can match up his power, skill, and speed I don't want to include Casimero although he is a worthy opponent, Team Inoue or any organization doesn't want anything to do with Casimero, he should move up and go against top superstars in the higher division and not staking wins against weak opponents.

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As for Casimero, if only he is impressive against Japanese opponents, i think that his chance of fighting Inoue will increase since he will be popular in Japan.

He doesn't need to be impressive against Japanese fighters as long as he is a worthy opponent, Casimero is a journeyman and has fought many ob his opponents' territories he likes to go to enemy territory and beat him to show how great he is.

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Quote from: btc_angela on June 21, 2024, 08:28:45 AM

As for Casimero, if only he is impressive against Japanese opponents, i think that his chance of fighting Inoue will increase since he will be popular in Japan.

The last fight was just unfortunate as it ended at Technical Decision (draw), but prior to that, it was also a controversial fight but Casimero was declared as a winner by KO against Akaho. I think they should give Casimero a chance, and I believe if Inoue just like to fight a popular boxer, then I believe Casimero is more popular than the boxers he is planning to fight. It seems like they are punishing Casimero by not minding him as one of the challengers, and Inoue's camp can't blame some other Filipino fans of speculating that maybe he is just trying to avoid a boxer that could beat him.

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This is another count for Inoue , I know Akhmadaliev is a good fighter and am sure that this will bring
a great fight against this Japanese monster but this is not enough for inoue's getting laid.

Per report, Top Rank is not keen on heeding the advise of WBA for that mandatory fight against Akhmadaliev because they think that the latter is not popular enough so better to relinquish the WBA belt rather than fighting Akhmadaliev.

That's fine, besidess, he has nothing to prove since he had already became an undisputed champion in the super bantamweight division, and I believe he will not stay long in this division as I'm sure there's a plan to move in a higher division, probably next year, or maybe the upcoming fight of Inoue would be his last if he can successfully defend his title.

Team Inoue/Top Rank's plan is to fight TJ Doheney next as the latter is somewhat popular in Japan where he won his last three bouts there and if successful against Doheney, they will be going against IBF mandatory Sam Goodman before moving up to the featherweight division. Seems that Inoue is not keen on fighting in Las Vegas if we base our speculation to their plans.

As for Casimero, if only he is impressive against Japanese opponents, i think that his chance of fighting Inoue will increase since he will be popular in Japan.

So he still has at least 2 fights in this division before going up in weight. And if that so happens, then there will be no Inoue vs Casimero fight. Just very unfortunate to not see it and I think we can all blame it to Inoue himself.

Nevertheless, this could be another great performance by Inoue against another great fighter. It's just the Akhmadaliev is lucky to have a crack at Inoue even though he doesn't have the belt anymore.

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Quote from: Japinat on June 18, 2024, 08:14:11 AM

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Quote from: rodskee on June 17, 2024, 09:43:34 PM

This is another count for Inoue , I know Akhmadaliev is a good fighter and am sure that this will bring
a great fight against this Japanese monster but this is not enough for inoue's getting laid.

Per report, Top Rank is not keen on heeding the advise of WBA for that mandatory fight against Akhmadaliev because they think that the latter is not popular enough so better to relinquish the WBA belt rather than fighting Akhmadaliev.

That's fine, besidess, he has nothing to prove since he had already became an undisputed champion in the super bantamweight division, and I believe he will not stay long in this division as I'm sure there's a plan to move in a higher division, probably next year, or maybe the upcoming fight of Inoue would be his last if he can successfully defend his title.

Team Inoue/Top Rank's plan is to fight TJ Doheney next as the latter is somewhat popular in Japan where he won his last three bouts there and if successful against Doheney, they will be going against IBF mandatory Sam Goodman before moving up to the featherweight division. Seems that Inoue is not keen on fighting in Las Vegas if we base our speculation to their plans.

As for Casimero, if only he is impressive against Japanese opponents, i think that his chance of fighting Inoue will increase since he will be popular in Japan.

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Quote from: rodskee on June 17, 2024, 09:43:34 PM

This is another count for Inoue , I know Akhmadaliev is a good fighter and am sure that this will bring
a great fight against this Japanese monster but this is not enough for inoue's getting laid.

Per report, Top Rank is not keen on heeding the advise of WBA for that mandatory fight against Akhmadaliev because they think that the latter is not popular enough so better to relinquish the WBA belt rather than fighting Akhmadaliev.

Oh ok, but that can also be said against Tapales, although there could have been arguments that he has the belt, so I will get that one slide. However, it can also be said against Puma Nery, he was even ban in Japan, but then it was just uplifted just to give way for Inoue to fight him? Doesn't really make sense for that to bent the rule.
Anyhow, I still wished that they will go and fight Akhmadaliev as it will really close the book for Inoue at 122 lbs as he has beaten current and former world champion. Only Casimero remains in the background, but if they want to make money, Casimero might be a good candidate for his next fight as well as John Riel has the style and brandish and a trash talker.

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