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Quote from: Japinat on June 09, 2022, 12:55:17 PM

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Casimero can talk all he want but Inoue and his team aren't going to participate in the battle of trashtalk because Inoue knows that he's already far now while Casimero is still struggling and facing the consequences prior the fight against Butler. Inoue will be even further if he decides to move to another weight class after he is done with Butler.

Inoue knows his next priority, and it's Butler who is holding the belt that Inoue needs for him to be the undisputed champion. Though I like to see a Casimero vs Inoue fight, looks like this is far from happening already now that Inoue won't get anything big fighting Casimero.

Casimero has to find a way to get back in boxing, slowly but surely, not challenging or trash taking a humble champion.

Yeah, me too! I really want to see Casimero and Inoue sharing the same ring but sadly, it really looks like Casimero won't have that chance because of the his weight issues. Maybe, I'm not sure, maybe they will meet again in other division if they will both move but for Inoue, he's still not giving a clue of his plans on whether he will move to other division if he's already done with Butler. I prefer the word done because Butler certainly have no match with the current Inoue.

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It's still something to be proud of that you've gone that far although, personally it's hard to accept that he has lost to him twice.

The fight was not even close, just accept it, maybe we are just too biased because we support our Donaire to win, but if you look at the betting odds, you can easily figure out that Donaire's chance of winning is very slim. He did his best but Inoue is just too much for him, no excuses for him.

Just disregard the last fight, it's already a lose and it has happened.

What I'm saying was about Donaire's journey and he's gone far and even it's a disappointing recent fight for him, he's still made a lot of wins before this lose.

Well, for the odds, sure that the favor is in Inoue and because they know it that it'll be a monster's belt.

Even i do make myself anticipate that Donaire would win on this rematch but i was shocked on how he looked inside the ring and you could really able to tell the difference in terms of presence
and body build which just like on what others been saying that he's bit not that good looking or doesnt even throw out some good punches even if he do have some aggressive stance.
But ending up on being humilated by Inoue on where he didnt able to stand up with those blows that he do get even if he do tend to guard. Faints are good made by Inoue
which does simple shows on whose the better boxer.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on June 10, 2022, 11:45:54 AM

Bob Arum only cares about money in this and nothing else.

Bob Arum is a genius and knows how to handle the promoting business for a long.

You might be against some of his actions but admit it, without the help and influence of Bob Arum, the fight can even hit a sold-out.

He has lots of connections and totally recognized as the top promoter that's why when Top Rank was in-charge of a fight, it was a sure sold-out and the handled boxers will also take a big return.

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on June 10, 2022, 06:53:20 PM

Well if I have to advise him, it's better to just say it quit already. I know that he still can fight, but who is he going to fight then? There are a lot of young guys in the division that can give him a serious beating and we don't want to see Donaire getting knock out again.

Although I have to agree with you that Donaire should quit already, I disagree that those young guys in the Bantamweight are fully a threat to Donaire.

Donaire loses to Inoue as the latter is too much for him but believe me, Donaire can still pulverize those other boxers at the Bantamweight at this point of his career.

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Quote from: Sanitough on June 11, 2022, 09:38:20 AM

Quote from: livingfree on June 10, 2022, 07:23:42 PM

It's still something to be proud of that you've gone that far although, personally it's hard to accept that he has lost to him twice.

The fight was not even close, just accept it, maybe we are just too biased because we support our Donaire to win, but if you look at the betting odds, you can easily figure out that Donaire's chance of winning is very slim. He did his best but Inoue is just too much for him, no excuses for him.

Just disregard the last fight, it's already a lose and it has happened.

What I'm saying was about Donaire's journey and he's gone far and even it's a disappointing recent fight for him, he's still made a lot of wins before this lose.

Well, for the odds, sure that the favor is in Inoue and because they know it that it'll be a monster's belt.

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Quote from: livingfree on June 10, 2022, 07:23:42 PM

It's still something to be proud of that you've gone that far although, personally it's hard to accept that he has lost to him twice.

The fight was not even close, just accept it, maybe we are just too biased because we support our Donaire to win, but if you look at the betting odds, you can easily figure out that Donaire's chance of winning is very slim. He did his best but Inoue is just too much for him, no excuses for him.

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Quote from: terrorJR on June 10, 2022, 07:02:08 PM

But in this case I find it quite difficult if he does fight again and loses again then this will indeed continue to tarnish the name he has made in his career.
It would be better if he stopped because his current age is actually quite difficult to fight.
But if he still wants to fight and insist on it then indeed the consequences might be having to prepare for the worst.

Yes, that's one that he has to consider if he plans to fight again but just like what we think, it's better for him not to fight and retire for good and just help the other young boxers.

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on June 10, 2022, 06:53:20 PM

Well if I have to advise him, it's better to just say it quit already. I know that he still can fight, but who is he going to fight then? There are a lot of young guys in the division that can give him a serious beating and we don't want to see Donaire getting knock out again.

So there are no more challenges for him and most of his contemporaries have retired already. Maybe he can still work in the background, or put up his own promotional company just like what Manny did.

We're all on accord with the idea of him taking his retirement from pro boxing. He's done well and even the last match wasn't the best and made his record badly, that's just still a record but without thinking, unless he's got a reason to fight again and it's understandable for all of the fans, we can't change his mind whatever is his decision.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on June 10, 2022, 06:36:25 PM

Bottom line, Donaire can still fight if he wants to but not a trilogy with Inoue.

He has to choose who he is going to fight if he still pushes for one more fight. Well, about fighting Inoue again for the third time, this is already out of the box.
If he chooses to fight Inoue again, this is just all about desperation and he's likely to lose again. He probably had accepted that he can't beat Inoue and if pushing for another match then he should be picky and that would be the one that he knows he can beat the out of it.

But in this case I find it quite difficult if he does fight again and loses again then this will indeed continue to tarnish the name he has made in his career.
It would be better if he stopped because his current age is actually quite difficult to fight.
But if he still wants to fight and insist on it then indeed the consequences might be having to prepare for the worst.

Good point, as we have been discussing, it's all about your legacy for some fighters. It all started for Nonito when he blasted Darchy with that left hook and then instantly he become a household name. And he has nothing to prove as well, he will be a soon hall-of-famer. So it's better if the stops fighting because the chances of losing again and it could hurt him in the long run. He has given the Philippines another champion already and for sure there are a lot of PH fighters that can carry the torch from them (Manny and Nonito).

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on June 10, 2022, 11:45:54 AM

I think it's better for him to decide not to fight anymore than to make mistakes like this again and again in another fight.

I also think that he just had to retire for good.

That's already enough and a lose is a lose and that will not change a thing anymore. He's past his prime and also won a lot, his professional record is still good and this possible last fight that he made against Inoue won't be the basis of his entire career.

It's part of boxing that losing is there, maybe someday in the future we'll see Inoue will have his first ever lose unless he'll consider to retire without getting it just like Floyd.

Donaire can have the rest for now while there’s still no opportunity to fight but most probably he will have another match again since he might not want to retire with a loss, he is still good its just that Inoue is too much for him. Retiring is quiet changed a lot in boxing honestly, those retired boxer can still have a match and make money so maybe Donaire can do the same thing.

Well, Inoue is too young to retire but if he really wants to protect his good record then why not? Its his choice but knowing him, most probably he will continue to have the much as long as there’s a good money, he can’t say no to this for sure.

If it's about opportunity to fight, I think he still got a lot.

But this is just all about the pride before he retires and I think there's nothing bad if his last fight was a lose against Inoue, the known monster and a champion.

It's still something to be proud of that you've gone that far although, personally it's hard to accept that he has lost to him twice.

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Quote from: blockman on June 10, 2022, 06:48:56 PM

Quote from: bisdak40 on June 10, 2022, 06:36:25 PM

Bottom line, Donaire can still fight if he wants to but not a trilogy with Inoue.

He has to choose who he is going to fight if he still pushes for one more fight. Well, about fighting Inoue again for the third time, this is already out of the box.
If he chooses to fight Inoue again, this is just all about desperation and he's likely to lose again. He probably had accepted that he can't beat Inoue and if pushing for another match then he should be picky and that would be the one that he knows he can beat the out of it.

But in this case I find it quite difficult if he does fight again and loses again then this will indeed continue to tarnish the name he has made in his career.
It would be better if he stopped because his current age is actually quite difficult to fight.
But if he still wants to fight and insist on it then indeed the consequences might be having to prepare for the worst.

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Quote from: blockman on June 10, 2022, 06:48:56 PM

Quote from: bisdak40 on June 10, 2022, 06:36:25 PM

Bottom line, Donaire can still fight if he wants to but not a trilogy with Inoue.

He has to choose who he is going to fight if he still pushes for one more fight. Well, about fighting Inoue again for the third time, this is already out of the box.
If he chooses to fight Inoue again, this is just all about desperation and he's likely to lose again. He probably had accepted that he can't beat Inoue and if pushing for another match then he should be picky and that would be the one that he knows he can beat the out of it.

Well if I have to advise him, it's better to just say it quit already. I know that he still can fight, but who is he going to fight then? There are a lot of young guys in the division that can give him a serious beating and we don't want to see Donaire getting knock out again.

So there are no more challenges for him and most of his contemporaries have retired already. Maybe he can still work in the background, or put up his own promotional company just like what Manny did.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on June 10, 2022, 06:36:25 PM

Bottom line, Donaire can still fight if he wants to but not a trilogy with Inoue.

He has to choose who he is going to fight if he still pushes for one more fight. Well, about fighting Inoue again for the third time, this is already out of the box.
If he chooses to fight Inoue again, this is just all about desperation and he's likely to lose again. He probably had accepted that he can't beat Inoue and if pushing for another match then he should be picky and that would be the one that he knows he can beat the out of it.

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Quote from: livingfree on June 10, 2022, 05:15:01 PM

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on June 10, 2022, 11:45:54 AM

I think it's better for him to decide not to fight anymore than to make mistakes like this again and again in another fight.

I also think that he just had to retire for good.

That's already enough and a lose is a lose and that will not change a thing anymore. He's past his prime and also won a lot, his professional record is still good and this possible last fight that he made against Inoue won't be the basis of his entire career.

It's part of boxing that losing is there, maybe someday in the future we'll see Inoue will have his first ever lose unless he'll consider to retire without getting it just like Floyd.

Right after the fight i thought that it is time for Donaire to retire because i thought that he doesn't have it anymore, i mean the Filipino Flash that we used to see was not the same anymore but after a few days i realized that it was not Donaire's inability tp avoid the punches but it is the brilliance of Inoue that led to the downfall of Donaire. I mean, no one can withstand those heavy bombs that the Monster threw even if that boxer is in his prime.

Bottom line, Donaire can still fight if he wants to but not a trilogy with Inoue.

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Quote from: livingfree on June 10, 2022, 05:15:01 PM

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on June 10, 2022, 11:45:54 AM

I think it's better for him to decide not to fight anymore than to make mistakes like this again and again in another fight.

I also think that he just had to retire for good.

That's already enough and a lose is a lose and that will not change a thing anymore. He's past his prime and also won a lot, his professional record is still good and this possible last fight that he made against Inoue won't be the basis of his entire career.

It's part of boxing that losing is there, maybe someday in the future we'll see Inoue will have his first ever lose unless he'll consider to retire without getting it just like Floyd.

Donaire can have the rest for now while there’s still no opportunity to fight but most probably he will have another match again since he might not want to retire with a loss, he is still good its just that Inoue is too much for him. Retiring is quiet changed a lot in boxing honestly, those retired boxer can still have a match and make money so maybe Donaire can do the same thing.

Well, Inoue is too young to retire but if he really wants to protect his good record then why not? Its his choice but knowing him, most probably he will continue to have the much as long as there’s a good money, he can’t say no to this for sure.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on June 10, 2022, 11:45:54 AM

I think it's better for him to decide not to fight anymore than to make mistakes like this again and again in another fight.

I also think that he just had to retire for good.

That's already enough and a lose is a lose and that will not change a thing anymore. He's past his prime and also won a lot, his professional record is still good and this possible last fight that he made against Inoue won't be the basis of his entire career.

It's part of boxing that losing is there, maybe someday in the future we'll see Inoue will have his first ever lose unless he'll consider to retire without getting it just like Floyd.

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Time's up for Donaire. He is going to hang up his gloves and bid boxing good bye. Possibly not boxing in general because he might pursue a boxing clinic, a boxing gym, or perhaps a boxing mentorship, but his professional boxing career may be over. No regrets because he has proven his worth and skills. There is no unfinished business for him in the scene. In fact he will be inducted to the hall of fame because of his boxing accomplishments. He has nothing to prove anymore.

He should really consider hanging up his gloves now, it may not be a good farewell because of that defeat in the rematch with Inoue but he don't have much of a choice now because he is getting older and he may just be a stepping stone for the upcoming generation. Might as well retire while his name is still fresh, he has proven his worth already in this industry and that is already a good reason.

Every boxer does have their own ego whether they do hang up their gloves after a win or not and it would be depending on them but at the age of 39 then it isnt really that bad to consider on hanging up his gloves or

simply retire.The old donaire we used to knows cant already be seen from fast jabs and good footwork but we havent see this on this fight.If you do look closely or trying out to compare both physique then

he is much smaller in appearance than Inoue..I dont know if he lose weight too much yet im not get used to into those kind of body form of Donaire but well thats not a reason.

Well, he is turning 40 this November so he should really start considering hanging his gloves because judging from the last fight, he is not the Filipino Flash that we used to know anymore. His versatility and speed including the rate of his punches have already changed, he even admits that he is having a hard time at the fight because he can't follow Inoue's punches and the next thing he knows is that the punches were already landed at his temple. Nonetheless, we can see how dedicated he is to the fight as he even tried to have some other fights before he decides to chase the rematch but all of that was wasted because the gap is really evident.

His father wants him to retire already.

Donaire Sr. wants Jr. to retire after 2nd-round TKO loss to Inoue

I think he should listen to his father already, that's the best advice for him, he already proved himself so he can enjoy the life after boxing.

That's right. We can obviously see the lack of speed and power of Donaire before in his prime he can dominate his rivals but today he could only be a punching bag for them.

Retiring would be the best decision of Donaire.

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I was left behind and forgot the date due to a lot of work in the real world and only saw reruns there.
I'm quite surprised how Impressive Inoue looks like this and Donaire can't do much there.
Inoue's left hook is truly one of those fearsome weapons now and indeed with this weapon he actually managed to win the rematch and managed to add the WBC bantamweight title to his WBA and IBF.

He wont be called a "Monster" for nothing and he do able to beat up some famous and strong boxers despite for people on looking down on him and now this kid is undefeated and almost of his wins are all KO's

which does indicate that his punches were no joke.This kid does really have that good technicality on which we do see some faint jabs now which is something that we could only see in anime

for those well executed kind of movement but now he had really proved out that it could really be a good weap on taking advantage against players.

Looks like he actually transformed into Saitama (Anime character) in Saitama Ring lol.

But it's true that his punches are especially for Left Hook and his combination attacks really make the opponent can't do much there.
A fighter like Donaire only had to fall from the beginning of the round and luckily he was saved by the bell but for the second round it was over and this can be said to be very fast and I was quite amazed to see the difference between the first fight in 2019 and this second.

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Quote from: Kemarit on June 10, 2022, 02:04:39 AM

^^ That's just Bob Arum's though, he is not handling Donaire so he can tell that Donaire might have something. And we've seen that Donaire takes a lot of punch here and it might not be good for him ast age 40. Maybe another fight and win or lose, that should be it for his legendary career. And that's why most of us think he should. Young boxers are taking over his division and I doubt that he can move up in weight because his frame is not that big.

Bob Arum only cares about money in this and nothing else. Regardless of whatever fight Donaire had some time ago, it was a pretty heavy blow, actually because a fighter of his size lost in such a fast round, it's clearly an insult and indeed I think it's better for him to decide not to fight anymore than to make mistakes like this again and again in another fight.

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^^ That's just Bob Arum's though, he is not handling Donaire so he can tell that Donaire might have something. And we've seen that Donaire takes a lot of punch here and it might not be good for him ast age 40. Maybe another fight and win or lose, that should be it for his legendary career. And that's why most of us think he should. Young boxers are taking over his division and I doubt that he can move up in weight because his frame is not that big.

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Time's up for Donaire. He is going to hang up his gloves and bid boxing good bye. Possibly not boxing in general because he might pursue a boxing clinic, a boxing gym, or perhaps a boxing mentorship, but his professional boxing career may be over. No regrets because he has proven his worth and skills. There is no unfinished business for him in the scene. In fact he will be inducted to the hall of fame because of his boxing accomplishments. He has nothing to prove anymore.

He should really consider hanging up his gloves now, it may not be a good farewell because of that defeat in the rematch with Inoue but he don't have much of a choice now because he is getting older and he may just be a stepping stone for the upcoming generation. Might as well retire while his name is still fresh, he has proven his worth already in this industry and that is already a good reason.

Every boxer does have their own ego whether they do hang up their gloves after a win or not and it would be depending on them but at the age of 39 then it isnt really that bad to consider on hanging up his gloves or

simply retire.The old donaire we used to knows cant already be seen from fast jabs and good footwork but we havent see this on this fight.If you do look closely or trying out to compare both physique then

he is much smaller in appearance than Inoue..I dont know if he lose weight too much yet im not get used to into those kind of body form of Donaire but well thats not a reason.

Well, he is turning 40 this November so he should really start considering hanging his gloves because judging from the last fight, he is not the Filipino Flash that we used to know anymore. His versatility and speed including the rate of his punches have already changed, he even admits that he is having a hard time at the fight because he can't follow Inoue's punches and the next thing he knows is that the punches were already landed at his temple. Nonetheless, we can see how dedicated he is to the fight as he even tried to have some other fights before he decides to chase the rematch but all of that was wasted because the gap is really evident.

Only he can decide if he wants to retire but based on his review of the fight, he just got caught being careless, he wants to turn it into a brawl instead of being technical the counter punches did the damage because he is going in and daring Inoue to engage, he was badly hurt by that counter left hook, in boxing, they say the hardest punch you receive is the one that you doesn't see, Donaire admits that he doesn't know why he is in the floor after that left hook but before that left hook he is doing great, he miscalculated everything.
I don't see him retiring he still believes that he still has it, his father wants him to retire
Donaire Sr. wants Jr. to retire after 2nd-round TKO loss to Inoue

Even Arum thinks that Donaire has still some good fights left in him

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“Nonito is still at his best but obviously, he’s not on Inoue’s level anymore,” Arum told BusinessMirror from his las Vegas home on Wednesday. “He’s [still] a good fighter, he’s probably that competitor fighter, but the only advice I can tell him is to stay away from Inoue.”

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Quote from: Baofeng on June 09, 2022, 07:30:04 PM

I agree, with Bob Arum's experience, Inoue can be the next biggest star, although we can't compare him with Manny's enigma and charisma though. But Arum + Pacquiao at his prime? they put a the blue print, on how someone from Asia conquer the boxing world but carefully nitpicking their opponents.

Naoya Inoue should be doing good at 122lbs.

I think that's the max weight he can conquer different from Pacquiao that his body also evolves to fight at a maximum Light MiddleWeight. Bob Arum can really make a boxer's career good even though lots hate him. He is a professional in building a boxer's career.

Arum is not playing a kid's game that's why part of his strategy is to pick opponents. Love him or hate him, it's also an advantage to his boxer, not just for him.

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