Also this can also be a huge gamble/gambit on TF part - "lose" 4k BTC at $300 and refund them a "find" bit later when they are $200
Although again, I stress out that personally I do not believe TF is a scammer.
Topic: Inputs.io Is Gone I'm Calling It A Scam - page 2. (Read 8233 times)
Which means I have to follow the chain on who manages and runs it= TradeFortress. Personally never had any issues with him as he once loaned me 5 btc "of course I paid back with interest and in time." now that Inputs is down do you think Inputs was a scam?
My opinion that it was not intended as a long scam. Idea was great, execution was ok, everything was working, he paid quite a lod for ad space and other promotions. It would be interesting to look into TF's bookkeeping - how many BTC he got total, how many did he earn/lose in inputs before this event, how much will he probably lose by reputation damage.
Personally I do not believe it's a scam.
Also it's interesting what the thief will do with his btc - drop it fast or keep it?
The good (and bad, in this case) about Bitcoin is how easy it becomes to trace any transactions back to its source, and now the hacker has a whole lot of "marked" Bitcoins. It think it would take a fair bit of mixing before they can spend them freely.
Which means I have to follow the chain on who manages and runs it= TradeFortress. Personally never had any issues with him as he once loaned me 5 btc "of course I paid back with interest and in time." now that Inputs is down do you think Inputs was a scam?
My opinion that it was not intended as a long scam. Idea was great, execution was ok, everything was working, he paid quite a lod for ad space and other promotions. It would be interesting to look into TF's bookkeeping - how many BTC he got total, how many did he earn/lose in inputs before this event, how much will he probably lose by reputation damage.
Personally I do not believe it's a scam.
Also it's interesting what the thief will do with his btc - drop it fast or keep it?
http://bitcoinreviewer.com/inputs-io-hacked-refund/
Just leaving this here for those who still were not able to get refunds.
Just leaving this here for those who still were not able to get refunds.
this is what i thought from the beginning. it was clear that some funds were still able to be moved out of inputs.io for quite some time after "the hack." TF continuing to accept deposits while letting others (and himself) cash out, and this goes on for weeks until the pyramid collapses? TF deserves a scammer tag unquestionably.
No. I haven't moved coins out of Inputs personally. The coins I did "move out" are (i) routine signature ad payments, (ii) wallet refill of coinchat/coinlenders, (iii) CL associated payments and (iv) coins moved to reduce hot pocket amount that are now being used to repay users. Everyone who was aware of the hack previous to the public announcement were not Inputs users.
Bullshit. Why should we believe a word out of your mouth. Until you report this theft to the police you have ZERO trust. Until you do that, piss off.
Anyone who has lost any money on this. Please report this to the Australian authorities yourselves. He's obviously not going to do it for you.
this is what i thought from the beginning. it was clear that some funds were still able to be moved out of inputs.io for quite some time after "the hack." TF continuing to accept deposits while letting others (and himself) cash out, and this goes on for weeks until the pyramid collapses? TF deserves a scammer tag unquestionably.
No. I haven't moved coins out of Inputs personally. The coins I did "move out" are (i) routine signature ad payments, (ii) wallet refill of coinchat/coinlenders, (iii) CL associated payments and (iv) coins moved to reduce hot pocket amount that are now being used to repay users. Everyone who was aware of the hack previous to the public announcement were not Inputs users.
Inputs.yourmoneyintomypocket
those are wise words.
I moved to this section from the Donator section a topic which I created to scrutinize Tradefortress activities:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-we-have-a-potential-fraudster-among-us-211169
Please, read all carefully. You will find out that Tradefortress is involved in fraudulent activities since his inception in this forum. The tragic part is that Theymos, the administrator of this forum, gave special treatment to him, even after I produced the evidence which shows Tradefortress has been involved in the creation of sock puppets to dupe the forum participants.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-we-have-a-potential-fraudster-among-us-211169
Please, read all carefully. You will find out that Tradefortress is involved in fraudulent activities since his inception in this forum. The tragic part is that Theymos, the administrator of this forum, gave special treatment to him, even after I produced the evidence which shows Tradefortress has been involved in the creation of sock puppets to dupe the forum participants.
Jesus there's a lot of shady stuff there..
Would have been more useful if us plebes who came into the coin after the GLBSE collapse and saw no reason to trust Theymos with coin could have seen this shit earlier...
I'm so glad I transferred my bitcoins a DAY before TF closed the site down 
Makes me wonder if he allowed the site to run after the hack so he could get his personal funds out, and allow his buddies to get their money out before divvying up what was left to the rest of the suckers.
this is what i thought from the beginning. it was clear that some funds were still able to be moved out of inputs.io for quite some time after "the hack." TF continuing to accept deposits while letting others (and himself) cash out, and this goes on for weeks until the pyramid collapses? TF deserves a scammer tag unquestionably.
Inputs.yourmoneyintomypocket
I'm so glad I transferred my bitcoins a DAY before TF closed the site down
Makes me wonder if he allowed the site to run after the hack so he could get his personal funds out, and allow his buddies to get their money out before divvying up what was left to the rest of the suckers.
I'm so glad I transferred my bitcoins a DAY before TF closed the site down
1st--
who in their right mind would store bitcoins on inputs.io
who in their right mind would store bitcoins on inputs.io
For small amount it was fine because of free transactions.
2nd--
who actually believes it was "hacked"
who actually believes it was "hacked"
Actually I do, it is tough to get secure system
It's not tough to not keep a million dollars worth of bitcoins in a fuckng hot wallet, after claiming to use cold storage. No system is perfectly secure, that's why you don't do that, it's a rookie thing to do and I don't see TF doing that after his security lectures on everyone else.
How does it make you feel the trust system has been possibly abused? Clearly anyone that received auto trust from him should be looked over. Recent Skype message I got form Fortress.
And to think this guy has my SS#, DL, and Military ID. With situation at hand is it best now to file a report and start the process of trying to receive a new SS# ?
To all the people bashing those who have webwallets - the reason i have a web wallet is because probably 7 months ago I managed to get a virus which stole my private key from my local wallet. Lucky for me there wasn't much coin to be stolen but none the less i learned that no matter how good you think you are with computers people always make mistakes. I was stupid. I personally feel my bitcoin is more secure on a web wallet (like blockchain.info) then on my computer. Obviously cold storage is your best bet but annoying to access funds.
So if you had all your BTC on inputs you just got taken for the 2nd time ( you didn't say you did ). If anyone should realize how important your last sentence is, it should be you.
People keep their fiat currency safe, but when it comes to BTC most are just lazy. Web wallets will always be around, and they will always be hacked. This situation isn't going to change anything, most people don't learn from others past mistakes; they just think, "Oh, that sucks, good thing that could never happen to me."
To all the people bashing those who have webwallets - the reason i have a web wallet is because probably 7 months ago I managed to get a virus which stole my private key from my local wallet. Lucky for me there wasn't much coin to be stolen but none the less i learned that no matter how good you think you are with computers people always make mistakes. I was stupid. I personally feel my bitcoin is more secure on a web wallet (like blockchain.info) then on my computer. Obviously cold storage is your best bet but annoying to access funds.
I moved to this section from the Donator section a topic which I created to scrutinize Tradefortress activities:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-we-have-a-potential-fraudster-among-us-211169
Please, read all carefully. You will find out that Tradefortress is involved in fraudulent activities since his inception in this forum. The tragic part is that Theymos, the administrator of this forum, gave special treatment to him, even after I produced the evidence which shows Tradefortress has been involved in the creation of sock puppets to dupe the forum participants.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-we-have-a-potential-fraudster-among-us-211169
Please, read all carefully. You will find out that Tradefortress is involved in fraudulent activities since his inception in this forum. The tragic part is that Theymos, the administrator of this forum, gave special treatment to him, even after I produced the evidence which shows Tradefortress has been involved in the creation of sock puppets to dupe the forum participants.
Jesus there's a lot of shady stuff there..
I strongly urge anyone who has lost their coins in this incident (or any other of Mr. Wang's schemes) to please report the matter to the Australian Securities and Investments Commission (even if you're not Australian). Don't worry, the Australian government is moderately on-the-ball when it comes to Bitcoin, and they will be most interested to know that an unlicensed bank has "lost" over a million dollars of it. I'd do it myself except that I'm not personally involved in any of these schemes, and I don't really know all the details of this case (though I'll probably report it anyway if nobody else does, though it's not likely to do any good unless one or more actual victims come forward).
TradeFortress:
I hope you make sure that the mail address of the sender is his real address, as anyone can send a mail claiming to be any sender! So, i would insist on at least one reply from the one requesting refunds to make sure nobody else was using his address.
I hope you make sure that the mail address of the sender is his real address, as anyone can send a mail claiming to be any sender! So, i would insist on at least one reply from the one requesting refunds to make sure nobody else was using his address.
I moved to this section from the Donator section a topic which I created to scrutinize Tradefortress activities:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-we-have-a-potential-fraudster-among-us-211169
Please, read all carefully. You will find out that Tradefortress is involved in fraudulent activities since his inception in this forum. The tragic part is that Theymos, the administrator of this forum, gave special treatment to him, even after I produced the evidence which shows Tradefortress has been involved in the creation of sock puppets to dupe the forum participants.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-we-have-a-potential-fraudster-among-us-211169
Please, read all carefully. You will find out that Tradefortress is involved in fraudulent activities since his inception in this forum. The tragic part is that Theymos, the administrator of this forum, gave special treatment to him, even after I produced the evidence which shows Tradefortress has been involved in the creation of sock puppets to dupe the forum participants.
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