Topic: Instawallet claim process - page 18. (Read 79281 times)

Was out for the weekend.  Got another saw mill so I can have old barn wood in about 50 years.  Band-mill to augment my swing-blade mill.  Anyway...

The etymology of 'para' is outlined in unnecessary detail front and center on the web site.  'paranoid' must be related to the Greek 'para' root but I'm not exactly sure how.

It is true that I tend to be 'paranoid' about a lot of things.  To use one example, I was paranoid that the government was inflating and inventing evidence of 'weapons of mass destruction' to seek justification for war on Iraq.  I've also been highly paranoid about the kinds of dossiers which are being compiled about individuals by our version of the STASI here in the US.  In short, an impressive percentage of the things I've been paranoid about, and which have made my friends believe that I am a bit wacko, have turned out to be at least partially true, and in some cases more true than I even feared.

I actually don't have many theories, but do have multiple simultaneous hypothesis for almost everything.  Again, in the case of Bitcoin-Central, it is at this point completely possible that Boussac-n-co cleaned up to the tune of millions of USD by 'borrowing' our funds while the value fell by half or so.  As always I welcome any solid information which can either lend strength or argue against this hypothesis.  So far Bitcoin-Central has not seen fit to produce much by way of verifiable information, but things are still in flux to it is currently understandable.

I'm on Firefox and it works just fine...

Just for the record: I found the dialogue for adding a security exception, but adding one for instawallet.org's certificate didn't show any effect - it was still telling me that the cert had expired and still only gave me the "get me outta here"-button, even after expanding the collapsed paragraph (only one, the "I know..."-one wasn't there).

I then set the system clock of my machine back by two weeks (*before* July 17th), re-opened the site, clicked that button and then set the clock back to the correct date.

This might or might not be an option for others fighting against some stubborn browser (that allows one to add exceptions for completely bogus certs but not for recently expired ones).

Others will click on "add security exception" (and you should probably do the same).



This question was already answered a few times. You may not agree, or you may not understand but the answers are here.

And since I've seen this  idea fly around here a couple of times : no, it's not designed to filter-out people who have a legitimate claim but don't pay attention, people with significant balances do pay attention, and insignificant balances are, well... insignificant.



Like I said, feel free to re-read the answers posted earlier.

Well, the translator thing only puts an x20 to every time estimate to resolve issues but as I said before I don't see a good reason for having this extra step at all. It serves no purpose at all but costs 10k users 20k minutes.

And yes, the certificate was one minor issue when I chatted with my friend. She said it won't open, using some browser that didn't offer "ignore" neither.

If you put the same address in both claims, you should have been paid by now. I can infer from your message that you accidentally put two different addresses.
We would like to make sure which one we are supposed to use for your payout. Please contact arsy or myself with your claim numbers and amount.

I have a wallet that has mutliple claims because I accidentally claimed it twice.  Who do I need to contact for this?  Thanks!

That translator thing with iran surely can't be blamed on you, but the expired certificate (that makes my firefox not even offer a "continue anyway", thus cuts me out of the procedure) can...

PS: fortunately it were just a few peanuts in my instawallet, so I don't care too much, but others might have the same problem with certificates and more money at stake...
Without the rather useless necessity of "click that one more link", this would be a non-issue...
(and like some previous posters I don't really understand what real (not-already-refuted) advantage there is to that extra click.

I can understand how clicking on a single button can become a nightmare in this context.
But you can't really blame that on us, can you ?

yes. language barrier, chatting with a translator friend, him trying various times to call the friend in Iran who is not really online a lot, the friend not understanding a thing about bitcoin, the whole thing not getting done in days, me again and again checking back with my friend and my "translator" + the fact that I checked on my bitcoin wallet various times to see if the claimed money was released yet.

Umm...

We're talking about clicking a button here :

"It didn't cross your mind" that paying out without requiring to click a button would also be a nice gesture? So if the wrong person got the link, he will press the button no matter what. If the right person receives a smaller amount than expected, he will complain no matter what. Clicking the button would have no legal implication if later it occurred to me that you only sent me half of my money as the amount is kind of hidden below, so why bother thousands of users with this extra step? I assume that clicking this button costs on average 2 minutes taking into account all the people that regularly checked their wallet to see if their claimed money arrived (in my case with my Iraninan friend it cost 2 hours and involved 3 people) so the justification to having this button in the first place are pretty lousy compared to 10.000 * 2minutes = 13 days of your users' time.

This doesn't help people who are caught up in this mess right now, but tvbcof is exactly right.

Third parties who hold bitcoins on behalf of their users will eventually lose or steal those users' funds, with a certainty that approaches 100% on a sufficiently long time scale.

Trusting third parties to store money is an unnecessary and dangerous relic of legacy currencies which should be abandoned now that we have superior alternatives.

Apparently fiascoes like this will keep happening over and over again until everybody learns this lesson.

Perhpas you should think things through before barking along with tvbcof.
It did not cross your mind that the payout amount could be less than what people expected ? This extra step is a simple precaution to make sure people will let us know that they are in such situation (in those rare cases, they will then be requested to show a cryptographic proof).

Now you are writing that clicking on a button is such a difficult task that you can suggest we did it "to gain money"?
Pathetic.

Nah. He loves it. He's coming back for more.

Boussac serves tybcof.

tvbcof leaves.

Don't turn unprofessional for him stating the obvious. You barking back certainly won't gain you trust.

Me, too I got my coins but bitcoins I sent to a friend in Iran are still unreturned and I guess mostly for the fact that I needed a translator to call her to walk her through the process at your site to initiate the claims process. They did that and now you require her to go to the very same page and click "yes I'm sure" 3 months after the process started? I mean, seriously? It was hard enough to reach her before and this extra step just doesn't add *any* security as whoever filled in the data in the first round will obviously have a way to go there again and click that button and I want to hear from you how many people went through the first, complicated (at least for iranian non-bitcoiners) step and never came back for the second. How much money did you gain through making things more complicated than necessary?

We can see that you keep going with your endless, paranoid, calomnious ranting even though you have been paid back in full.
Why do you linger in bitcoinland then  ? Why don't you tvbcof travel off to your paracoinland (Note: paracoin, strangely an anagram for paranoic, is tvbcof brainfart )?

Not everybody gets BTC back from Instawallet. I'm still waiting for my own.

My claim has finally came back to my wallet  Thank you for not running away!!
  Ill buy u some snails next time i am in France.