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Last week NVIDIA sold more RTX 4070 Ti cards than all Radeon RX 7000 & Arc Alchemist combined
According to the most recent sales data from TechEpiphany, NVIDIA has sold over 500 units of GeForce RTX 4070 Ti graphics cards.
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-rtx-4070-ti-dominates-weekly-gpu-sales-at-german-retailer-more-cards-sold-than-rx7000-arc-combined

Intel has poor sales statistics in Germany.

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Quote from: safar1980 on February 07, 2023, 09:03:00 AM

Intel says Game On, Arc A750 GPU is now cheaper
Intel announced a price cut on their mid-range GPU to tackle GeForce RTX 3060
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-drops-the-price-of-arc-a750-gpu-to-just-249-new-driver-gets-performance-improvements

The price cut is around $30 if I read it correctly. Around 10% if we compare it to the previous price. Some reviewers said the card is competitive if you accept that you have to deal with driver issues here and there for gaming, don't know how it will compare to mining though. Not to mention AMD card at around the same price can give better performance in most scenarios. It is quite smart for them to compare to 3060 since the card is still a bit pricey in most region, including mine.

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Intel says Game On, Arc A750 GPU is now cheaper
Intel announced a price cut on their mid-range GPU to tackle GeForce RTX 3060
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-drops-the-price-of-arc-a750-gpu-to-just-249-new-driver-gets-performance-improvements

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Quote from: styleshifter on February 01, 2023, 06:06:59 AM

Quote from: FP91G on February 01, 2023, 05:41:57 AM

The big problem is that there are no miners for new algorithms yet, and on old coins this video card will lose to older generations of Nvidia and AMD. I would like to see NEXApow hashrate.

lolMiner has added basic support for Intel Arc Desktop GPUs in verison 1.62 on the following algorithms: ETC, ETC+KAS (1), Kaspa, Flux, Ergo, Beam (2) & Equihash 144/5 (2)
Fees are equal to Nvidia and AMD GPUs on the corresponding algorithms.
Tested Intel OpenCL driver versions are 22.24.23453 and 22.32.23937.

(1) Only on the 8G+ Intel GPUs: A580, A750 and A770
(2) Beam and Equihash are experimental on Intel GPUs. Also see known issues when running multiple cards.

ETC, ETC+Kaspa, Kaspa, Flux, Ergo are better to mine on AMD 5000 series video cards. For example, the RX5600 will show very good power consumption at $130. I'm not sure Intel will win this battle. If the price of these coins rises a lot, then there will be enough space for all video cards, but I do not believe in it.

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Quote from: FP91G on February 01, 2023, 05:41:57 AM

The big problem is that there are no miners for new algorithms yet, and on old coins this video card will lose to older generations of Nvidia and AMD. I would like to see NEXApow hashrate.

lolMiner has added basic support for Intel Arc Desktop GPUs in verison 1.62 on the following algorithms: ETC, ETC+KAS (1), Kaspa, Flux, Ergo, Beam (2) & Equihash 144/5 (2)
Fees are equal to Nvidia and AMD GPUs on the corresponding algorithms.
Tested Intel OpenCL driver versions are 22.24.23453 and 22.32.23937.

(1) Only on the 8G+ Intel GPUs: A580, A750 and A770
(2) Beam and Equihash are experimental on Intel GPUs. Also see known issues when running multiple cards.

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INTEL ARC A750
https://www.hashrate.no/gpus/a750

INTEL ARC A770
https://www.hashrate.no/gpus/a770

INTEL ARC A380
https://hashrate.no/gpus/a380

The big problem is that there are no miners for new algorithms yet, and on old coins this video card will lose to older generations of Nvidia and AMD. I would like to see NEXApow hashrate.

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SRBMiner Multi has just added support for Intel Arc GPUs
Check his thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61680066

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Quote from: joniboini on January 25, 2023, 10:07:56 AM

Quote from: FP91G on January 25, 2023, 06:44:32 AM

Most miners prefer AMD and Nvidia, so miner developers will write the best software for popular video cards. Recently, many new coins have been released, where Intel video cards will not show good performance in mining.Some coins can be mined on this video card, but now it is not profitable.

That is understandable. From recent threads on social media, it seems that Intel's driver is slowly improving, albeit still not on par with their competitor. It sounds like they work better with Vulkan/DX12 and re-bar enabled. Considering there have been rumors that Intel may have to kill its graphic division, I don't think it is wise to invest heavily into them if mining is what we're looking for. Not for the next few months, or years maybe.

AMD and Nvidia have released new series of video cards that are faster than Intel and have a competitive price. It will be very difficult for Intel to compete with competitors, especially when GPU mining is mostly unprofitable or brings very little profit.

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Quote from: FP91G on January 25, 2023, 06:44:32 AM

Most miners prefer AMD and Nvidia, so miner developers will write the best software for popular video cards. Recently, many new coins have been released, where Intel video cards will not show good performance in mining.Some coins can be mined on this video card, but now it is not profitable.

That is understandable. From recent threads on social media, it seems that Intel's driver is slowly improving, albeit still not on par with their competitor. It sounds like they work better with Vulkan/DX12 and re-bar enabled. Considering there have been rumors that Intel may have to kill its graphic division, I don't think it is wise to invest heavily into them if mining is what we're looking for. Not for the next few months, or years maybe.

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Quote from: joniboini on January 23, 2023, 06:53:13 AM

Quote from: FP91G on January 20, 2023, 03:48:45 AM

We have definitely not seen too many deals on Intel Arc A7 GPUs. These cards launched two months ago and have stayed at a relatively high price ever since. Intel launched two Arc A770 models, the 16GB variant launched at $349 in US and €419 in EU.

Has the driver situation changed though? I remember Gamer Nexus reviewed this card and says that the driver and feature still need more time to mature, and are not good enough for the general audience who don't want to troubleshoot if something went south.

I'd definitely give it a try if I can find it near my area, considering most Radeon and Nvidia are still way too expensive here. I'd rather buy their last gen.

Most miners prefer AMD and Nvidia, so miner developers will write the best software for popular video cards. Recently, many new coins have been released, where Intel video cards will not show good performance in mining.Some coins can be mined on this video card, but now it is not profitable.

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Quote from: FP91G on January 20, 2023, 03:48:45 AM

We have definitely not seen too many deals on Intel Arc A7 GPUs. These cards launched two months ago and have stayed at a relatively high price ever since. Intel launched two Arc A770 models, the 16GB variant launched at $349 in US and €419 in EU.

Has the driver situation changed though? I remember Gamer Nexus reviewed this card and says that the driver and feature still need more time to mature, and are not good enough for the general audience who don't want to troubleshoot if something went south.

I'd definitely give it a try if I can find it near my area, considering most Radeon and Nvidia are still way too expensive here. I'd rather buy their last gen.

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We have definitely not seen too many deals on Intel Arc A7 GPUs. These cards launched two months ago and have stayed at a relatively high price ever since. Intel launched two Arc A770 models, the 16GB variant launched at $349 in US and €419 in EU.

Nevertheless, it is good to see a 2-month-old GPU with such a discount, now 15% lower than MSRP at launch.

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-arc-a770-16gb-gpu-drops-to-e355-in-germany-for-a-limited-time

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Quote from: sxemini on November 28, 2022, 09:38:27 AM

Quote from: igotek on November 12, 2022, 12:40:32 PM

Quote from: sxemini on November 10, 2022, 06:25:48 AM

Also an important point, if the DAG is growing, the hashrate decrease - ETHW test gave me 2mh lower hashrates with the same settings. At the moment i don´t know why (TLB maybe like Nvidia Pascal or it is a miner problem)

The hashrate decreases, if the DAG is growing. This is also for P106-100 6GB Asus Mining Edition and P106-090 6GB Manli.
I think It is not a miner problem.

As i said - a kind of TLB like the Pascal GPU´s (P106 is a Pascal GPU) Roll Eyes

GTX 1060 or analogues for mining Nvidia P106-100 with a slightly higher hashrate today are unfortunately useless in mining even with free electricity. But these were the best video cards for 5-6 years and after so many years of mining they still continue to be adequate for modern games.

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Quote from: igotek on November 12, 2022, 12:40:32 PM

Quote from: sxemini on November 10, 2022, 06:25:48 AM

Also an important point, if the DAG is growing, the hashrate decrease - ETHW test gave me 2mh lower hashrates with the same settings. At the moment i don´t know why (TLB maybe like Nvidia Pascal or it is a miner problem)

The hashrate decreases, if the DAG is growing. This is also for P106-100 6GB Asus Mining Edition and P106-090 6GB Manli.
I think It is not a miner problem.

As i said - a kind of TLB like the Pascal GPU´s (P106 is a Pascal GPU) Roll Eyes

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Quote from: sxemini on November 10, 2022, 06:25:48 AM

Quote from: FP91G on November 10, 2022, 05:35:33 AM

In my city, a RX 480 8 GB costs about $80, if you buy more than 10 video cards, it's even cheaper. There are a lot of ads for the sale of old video cards. I am sure that this video card will give a profit if new coins appear, so I do not waste time selling.

Yeah maybe, but for me it is time to say good by to this good old ladies Cheesy

. They do the job very well for years. When i get around $80 - amazing, this 40% of the purchase price 5 years ago (i bought only used cards at this time).

Intel ARC A750 reported hashrates with nanominer, i let it run for some days for poolside hashrate:

ETC:
51.8Mh/s @ 182w - GPU-Z show 172w - Powerlimit set to 190w
51Mh/s @ 150w - GPU-Z show 140w - Powerlimit set to 140w
49MH/s @ 130w - GPU-Z show 120w - Powerlimit set to 120w

measured including riser with Elmorlabs PMD.
At the moment the OC is very rudimentary, but i will test a bit more the next days to increase the efficiency.
BZminer support this GPU´s, but the hashrate is very low - ETC = around 25mh@190w ERG = around 44mh@130w

Also an important point, if the DAG is growing, the hashrate decrease - ETHW test gave me 2mh lower hashrates with the same settings. At the moment i don´t know why (TLB maybe like Nvidia Pascal or it is a miner problem)

I hope other miner developer keep an eye on this cards in the future. Teamredminer or lolminer can do a better job i am sure.

Try the latest lolMiner 1.62

Added basic support for Intel Arc Desktop GPUs on the following algorithms: ETC, ETC+KAS (1), Kaspa, Flux, Ergo, Beam (2) & Equihash 144/5 (2). Fees are equal to Nvidia and AMD GPUs on the corresponding algorithms. Tested Intel OpenCL driver versions are 22.24.23453 and 22.32.23937.
https://github.com/Lolliedieb/lolMiner-releases/releases/tag/1.62
It may take more time to optimize mining software and drivers if intel wants to increase sales.

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Quote from: sxemini on November 10, 2022, 06:25:48 AM

Also an important point, if the DAG is growing, the hashrate decrease - ETHW test gave me 2mh lower hashrates with the same settings. At the moment i don´t know why (TLB maybe like Nvidia Pascal or it is a miner problem)

The hashrate decreases, if the DAG is growing. This is also for P106-100 6GB Asus Mining Edition and P106-090 6GB Manli.
I think It is not a miner problem.

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Quote from: FP91G on November 10, 2022, 05:35:33 AM

In my city, a RX 480 8 GB costs about $80, if you buy more than 10 video cards, it's even cheaper. There are a lot of ads for the sale of old video cards. I am sure that this video card will give a profit if new coins appear, so I do not waste time selling.

Yeah maybe, but for me it is time to say good by to this good old ladies Cheesy

. They do the job very well for years. When i get around $80 - amazing, this 40% of the purchase price 5 years ago (i bought only used cards at this time).

Intel ARC A750 reported hashrates with nanominer, i let it run for some days for poolside hashrate:

ETC:
51.8Mh/s @ 182w - GPU-Z show 172w - Powerlimit set to 190w
51Mh/s @ 150w - GPU-Z show 140w - Powerlimit set to 140w
49MH/s @ 130w - GPU-Z show 120w - Powerlimit set to 120w

measured including riser with Elmorlabs PMD.
At the moment the OC is very rudimentary, but i will test a bit more the next days to increase the efficiency.
BZminer support this GPU´s, but the hashrate is very low - ETC = around 25mh@190w ERG = around 44mh@130w

Also an important point, if the DAG is growing, the hashrate decrease - ETHW test gave me 2mh lower hashrates with the same settings. At the moment i don´t know why (TLB maybe like Nvidia Pascal or it is a miner problem)

I hope other miner developer keep an eye on this cards in the future. Teamredminer or lolminer can do a better job i am sure.

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Quote from: sxemini on November 09, 2022, 06:36:58 AM

Quote from: FP91G on November 09, 2022, 06:29:56 AM

Quote from: sxemini on November 09, 2022, 05:54:23 AM

Quote from: FP91G on November 09, 2022, 05:01:39 AM

Quote from: batsonxl on November 05, 2022, 04:58:52 AM

Quote from: FP91G on November 02, 2022, 06:19:24 AM

Intel Arc A750 and its approximate hashrate

I looked at the info from a foreign friend (approximate consumption)

ETC 50 Mh/s - 190 W
48 Mh/s - 116 W

He did not test on other algos ... as I understand it ... there are no miners under Intel ...

Not bat at all for 1st gen intels cards.it is like rtx3060.looks good for me.

For the first video cards, this is a very good indicator. Maybe the potential of these video cards will be revealed a little later, but today the purchase of any video cards for mining is unprofitable.
I remember the Intel Larrabee project in 2009 and 12 years later the company was able to make a decent GPU.

My A750 arrive today - i will show you my results, i think i can beat it Cheesy

. Did you tried BZminer?

It will be interesting for me to read information about your tests in mining. I don’t see the point in mining now, because of the very small profit. My graphics cards have paid for themselves several times over, so I will be waiting for new mining opportunities.
I don't sell or buy video cards now.

Sure i don´t buy new cards for all of my rigs at the moment. Only small things to play with it and to help to optimize BZminer a bit. The A750 should be good enough for 60mh, but we need more optimized miner. Most of my cards are polaris and p106, this cards paid of several times, but i sell it now slowly and next year i will begin to buy newer used cards.

In my city, a RX 480 8 GB costs about $80, if you buy more than 10 video cards, it's even cheaper. There are a lot of ads for the sale of old video cards. I am sure that this video card will give a profit if new coins appear, so I do not waste time selling.

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Quote from: FP91G on November 09, 2022, 06:29:56 AM

Quote from: sxemini on November 09, 2022, 05:54:23 AM

Quote from: FP91G on November 09, 2022, 05:01:39 AM

Quote from: batsonxl on November 05, 2022, 04:58:52 AM

Quote from: FP91G on November 02, 2022, 06:19:24 AM

Intel Arc A750 and its approximate hashrate

I looked at the info from a foreign friend (approximate consumption)

ETC 50 Mh/s - 190 W
48 Mh/s - 116 W

He did not test on other algos ... as I understand it ... there are no miners under Intel ...

Not bat at all for 1st gen intels cards.it is like rtx3060.looks good for me.

For the first video cards, this is a very good indicator. Maybe the potential of these video cards will be revealed a little later, but today the purchase of any video cards for mining is unprofitable.
I remember the Intel Larrabee project in 2009 and 12 years later the company was able to make a decent GPU.

My A750 arrive today - i will show you my results, i think i can beat it Cheesy

. Did you tried BZminer?

It will be interesting for me to read information about your tests in mining. I don’t see the point in mining now, because of the very small profit. My graphics cards have paid for themselves several times over, so I will be waiting for new mining opportunities.
I don't sell or buy video cards now.

Sure i don´t buy new cards for all of my rigs at the moment. Only small things to play with it and to help to optimize BZminer a bit. The A750 should be good enough for 60mh, but we need more optimized miner. Most of my cards are polaris and p106, this cards paid of several times, but i sell it now slowly and next year i will begin to buy newer used cards.

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Quote from: sxemini on November 09, 2022, 05:54:23 AM

Quote from: FP91G on November 09, 2022, 05:01:39 AM

Quote from: batsonxl on November 05, 2022, 04:58:52 AM

Quote from: FP91G on November 02, 2022, 06:19:24 AM

Intel Arc A750 and its approximate hashrate

I looked at the info from a foreign friend (approximate consumption)

ETC 50 Mh/s - 190 W
48 Mh/s - 116 W

He did not test on other algos ... as I understand it ... there are no miners under Intel ...

Not bat at all for 1st gen intels cards.it is like rtx3060.looks good for me.

For the first video cards, this is a very good indicator. Maybe the potential of these video cards will be revealed a little later, but today the purchase of any video cards for mining is unprofitable.
I remember the Intel Larrabee project in 2009 and 12 years later the company was able to make a decent GPU.

My A750 arrive today - i will show you my results, i think i can beat it Cheesy

. Did you tried BZminer?

It will be interesting for me to read information about your tests in mining. I don’t see the point in mining now, because of the very small profit. My graphics cards have paid for themselves several times over, so I will be waiting for new mining opportunities.
I don't sell or buy video cards now.

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