Topic: International Zionism Did 911–23 facts - page 4. (Read 3627 times)
Just as pointless as any other such link to a counter-argument (you are clearly "a believer").
Note that I am not going to try and counter your "argument" as I know that you can't be swayed from your belief.
As I don't actually have a belief one way or the other why are you still trying to "convince me"?
You are never going to actually find the truth - only the "truth as you perceive it" so your post is just as pointless as any other such post claiming to "hold the truth".
Personally I don't care what truth you want to believe (and I don't believe any versions of this supposed truth myself) so just choose the truth you want to believe in and be happy with that.
I don't get why people think that they can ever convince someone else of "a new truth" (and those like me who don't care for such things are even less interested).
You also should realise that the "media" links that you listed are all biased (as unfortunately all such modern media is) so they are really worth *zero* as some sort of basis for an argument about the facts.
Does anyone with an IQ above 100 really believe anything that Murdoch publishes?
Personally I don't care what truth you want to believe (and I don't believe any versions of this supposed truth myself) so just choose the truth you want to believe in and be happy with that.
I don't get why people think that they can ever convince someone else of "a new truth" (and those like me who don't care for such things are even less interested).
You also should realise that the "media" links that you listed are all biased (as unfortunately all such modern media is) so they are really worth *zero* as some sort of basis for an argument about the facts.
Does anyone with an IQ above 100 really believe anything that Murdoch publishes?
Haters are going to hate and people that like conspiracy theories are never going to give up on those theories.
The truth is something unfortunately that we rarely can ever be sure of because of all the crap that tends to surround it.
As like most other people that I've met - some Jewish people are wonderful people and others are assholes (no different to any other group of people I've met).
(this is not the sort of topic I'd normally post in actually but I do not like to see such prejudice topics without them being challenged - the modern idea of "freedom of speech" has unfortunately been reduced to the idea that I can say "fuck these people" without any reason beyond my "right to do so")
The truth is something unfortunately that we rarely can ever be sure of because of all the crap that tends to surround it.
As like most other people that I've met - some Jewish people are wonderful people and others are assholes (no different to any other group of people I've met).
(this is not the sort of topic I'd normally post in actually but I do not like to see such prejudice topics without them being challenged - the modern idea of "freedom of speech" has unfortunately been reduced to the idea that I can say "fuck these people" without any reason beyond my "right to do so")
Now let's go to the actual polls.
Polls? Seriously?
So we should all agree about what did or didn't happen according to some poll?
If you created such a poll on this forum then the people with the most sockpuppets would win every time. I guess that means that sockies are the authority then?
(and no I don't care about the stupid theories being espoused in this topic but please don't use *polls* as the argument of authority)
LOL....NO! NOT POLLS..>Seriously.
It's only that this guy no_rice_peas is making assertions about "what polls would say" apparently without looking to see about all the polls that have been made. So I linked to them.
And yes there are three or four sock puppets at work.
Now let's go to the actual polls.
Polls? Seriously?
So we should all agree about what did or didn't happen according to some poll?
If you created such a poll on this forum then the people with the most sock-puppets would win every time. I guess that means that sockies are the authority then?
(and no I don't care about the stupid theories being espoused in this topic but please don't use *polls* as the argument of authority)
The truth is that most educated Americans do believe that some entity related to Jews, whether 'Jews in general' or Zionists' or whatever, were responsible for 911.
You're in a very small and dangerously delusionable bubble. I suggest you seek professional psychological help. I don't mean that as an insult. It's a serious suggestion.
It's like watching a car speeding toward a giant sinkhole. I don't know whether to grab a red flag or a camera.
There are a lot of phrases unique to certain groups. Those phrases are not used by other groups.
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As to what Americans believe about 911, here is a cheap experiment.
Get a well dressed middle aged man to poll passersby on a busy street, "Do you believe that Jews were responsible for 911"? Vague number, probably 95% will say "Of course not".
Then get a short girl with a big chest dressed in hippie clothes, a tie dyed skirt, to ask isolated men in the same demographic, but in a more natural setting "Hi, anonymous poll. Did any foreigners aside Arabs have any hand in 911"?
Wow, vague number again 50% will say "Not sure", 50% "Israelis might have known something according to some people".
If you get a pollster who is good at getting accuracy, in the highly educated, non Jewish, non evangelical demographic nearly 100% will say ziofingerprints on the twin towers.
But you want to pretend. Enjoy.
Then your opinion would have a bit of substance. As it is it is pretty worthless.
Now let's go to the actual polls. You will see that you are dead wrong. Moving on from your wrongness, you will also see three countries where the people largely do believe the Israelis were behind 9/11 - Egypt, Jordon and the Palestine Territories.
Yes, the areas that are bombarded with "Evil Jew Propaganda". Such as what you are pushing. So you see, the propaganda does work for some places.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polls_about_9/11_conspiracy_theories#United_States
The truth is that most educated Americans do believe that some entity related to Jews, whether 'Jews in general' or Zionists' or whatever, were responsible for 911.
You're in a very small and dangerously delusionable bubble. I suggest you seek professional psychological help. I don't mean that as an insult. It's a serious suggestion.
I'm afraid you don't quite understand what I am commenting on about your posts.
You have simply proved nothing on the subject you make claims on.
This is not advanced by making yet more claims with no facts.
This has nothing to do with "who is right or wrong."
Please refer back to the following
By Ryan Hodgson on Monday, September 19, 2011 at 8:59am
Mossad Impersonating/framing Muslims and Participating in the Attacks:
http://rediscover911.com/international-zionism-did-911-23-facts/
Mossad Impersonating/framing Muslims and Participating in the Attacks:
http://rediscover911.com/international-zionism-did-911-23-facts/
A lot of the evidence is compelling.
What would have been their motive?
As the source material does not support the narrative, I conclude it is a fabricated narrative. Now why would you willingly go along with propagating untruths?
You are not interested in 'uncovering', you are interested in covering.
Here is a basic summary of most 911 conversation in america
person1 Have you done any reading about 911?
person2 No, the Jews did not do 911.
person1 Huh?
person2 Stop being anti semitic.
person3 Those anti Semites are starting fiction about the Jews and 911 again.
person4 When will they stop persecuting us?
person5 It is a conspiracy made by evil people.
person1 Where did all this sudden traffic come from?
As the source material does not support the narrative, I conclude it is a fabricated narrative. Now why would you willingly go along with propagating untruths?
But you know, I sort of have to agree with you. Linking articles and providing facts may be to complicated and difficult for you.
Have you considered twitter?
I'm afraid you don't quite understand what I am commenting on about your posts.
You have simply proved nothing on the subject you make claims on.
This is not advanced by making yet more claims with no facts.
This has nothing to do with "who is right or wrong."
Please refer back to the following
By Ryan Hodgson on Monday, September 19, 2011 at 8:59am
Mossad Impersonating/framing Muslims and Participating in the Attacks:
http://rediscover911.com/international-zionism-did-911-23-facts/
Mossad Impersonating/framing Muslims and Participating in the Attacks:
http://rediscover911.com/international-zionism-did-911-23-facts/
A lot of the evidence is compelling.
What would have been their motive?
As the source material does not support the narrative, I conclude it is a fabricated narrative. Now why would you willingly go along with propagating untruths?
You are not interested in 'uncovering', you are interested in covering.
Here is a basic summary of most 911 conversation in america
person1 Have you done any reading about 911?
person2 No, the Jews did not do 911.
person1 Huh?
person2 Stop being anti semitic.
person3 Those anti Semites are starting fiction about the Jews and 911 again.
person4 When will they stop persecuting us?
person5 It is a conspiracy made by evil people.
person1 Where did all this sudden traffic come from?
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The truth is that most educated Americans do believe that some entity related to Jews, whether 'Jews in general' or Zionists' or whatever, were responsible for 911....
While you are slinging opinions and attitudes around, you might consider that strangers on the Internet really don't care about them. It really doesn't matter to me if you are a Jew, a Jew-hater, or a Jew and a Jew-hater. Etc. Jews are the subject of your thread. They are not a hobby of mine. Well except there was this really hot girl...The truth is that most educated Americans do believe that some entity related to Jews, whether 'Jews in general' or Zionists' or whatever, were responsible for 911....
What I'm just doing is trying to establish facts.
You've made an assertion "The truth is..."
Prove it. Or at least support it somehow.
Otherwise, nobody will believe you.
So because I was the second person to post on this thread and then you distorted the post now it is my thread?
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The truth is that most educated Americans do believe that some entity related to Jews, whether 'Jews in general' or Zionists' or whatever, were responsible for 911....
While you are slinging opinions and attitudes around, you might consider that strangers on the Internet really don't care about them. It really doesn't matter to me if you are a Jew, a Jew-hater, or a Jew and a Jew-hater. Etc. Jews are the subject of your thread. They are not a hobby of mine. Well except there was this really hot girl...The truth is that most educated Americans do believe that some entity related to Jews, whether 'Jews in general' or Zionists' or whatever, were responsible for 911....
What I'm just doing is trying to establish facts.
You've made an assertion "The truth is..."
Prove it. Or at least support it somehow.
Otherwise, nobody will believe you.
Imagine that. Why would polls not be reflective of actual opinions? Maybe because of jackasses who terrorize people into lying about their opinions. It is people like you who created the Nazis in Germany and who are creating them in america.
The only people who take your position, blindly saying that there is no evidence of 'Israeli' involvement in 911 are either shills or utter morons. If you would like me to start presenting the evidence for Israeli involvement say so. At this point my opinion, and the evidence, support a transnational interest in invading Afghanistan has happened several times and in the two most recent cases heroin was the commodity that sparked the flame.
The only people who take your position, blindly saying that there is no evidence of 'Israeli' involvement in 911 are either shills or utter morons. If you would like me to start presenting the evidence for Israeli involvement say so. At this point my opinion, and the evidence, support a transnational interest in invading Afghanistan has happened several times and in the two most recent cases heroin was the commodity that sparked the flame.
Well, this is ironic. The Nazis didn't come into power in Germany because people blindly believed what the government said. The Nazis came to power largely because people bought into weird conspiracy theories blaming the Jews for their problems. You know, the kind of thing you're pushing right now.
If you want to confirm this you can read a book. Or you can find any educated American and get him or her drunk and they'll confirm it.
I'm a reasonably educated American. I'm also Jewish and spoke directly with a lot of people who had direct experience with nazxiism, and I have also read books on the subject.
The truth is that most educated Americans do believe that some entity related to Jews, whether 'Jews in general' or Zionists' or whatever, were responsible for 911.
Americans have been conditioned to defend Jews in a very superficial way and it is a situation with many historical precedents.
A few days ago there was backlash from an article the FBI director wrote entitled "why I make all FBI agents visit the holocaust museum". Or was the article entitled "How I became FBI director"? Doesn't matter. Look at the reaction to the article and examine it, if you like.
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Most educated Americans, a vast majority, believe discreetly that neocons in the United States, along with a vague network of Zionists, were responsible for 911.
If you pick any well educated American and get him or her drunk enough they will admit it. But polls say most people aren't really sure.
Imagine that. Why would polls not be reflective of actual opinions? Maybe because of jackasses who terrorize people into lying about their opinions. It is people like you who created the Nazis in Germany and who are creating them in america.
The only people who take your position, blindly saying that there is no evidence of 'Israeli' involvement in 911 are either shills or utter morons. If you would like me to start presenting the evidence for Israeli involvement say so. At this point my opinion, and the evidence, support a transnational interest in invading Afghanistan has happened several times and in the two most recent cases heroin was the commodity that sparked the flame.
Most educated Americans, a vast majority, believe discreetly that neocons in the United States, along with a vague network of Zionists, were responsible for 911.
If you pick any well educated American and get him or her drunk enough they will admit it. But polls say most people aren't really sure.
Imagine that. Why would polls not be reflective of actual opinions? Maybe because of jackasses who terrorize people into lying about their opinions. It is people like you who created the Nazis in Germany and who are creating them in america.
The only people who take your position, blindly saying that there is no evidence of 'Israeli' involvement in 911 are either shills or utter morons. If you would like me to start presenting the evidence for Israeli involvement say so. At this point my opinion, and the evidence, support a transnational interest in invading Afghanistan has happened several times and in the two most recent cases heroin was the commodity that sparked the flame.
I'm afraid you don't quite understand what I am commenting on about your posts.
You have simply proved nothing on the subject you make claims on.
This is not advanced by making yet more claims with no facts.
This has nothing to do with "who is right or wrong."
Imagine that. Why would polls not be reflective of actual opinions? Maybe because of jackasses who terrorize people into lying about their opinions. It is people like you who created the Nazis in Germany and who are creating them in america.
The only people who take your position, blindly saying that there is no evidence of 'Israeli' involvement in 911 are either shills or utter morons. If you would like me to start presenting the evidence for Israeli involvement say so. At this point my opinion, and the evidence, support a transnational interest in invading Afghanistan has happened several times and in the two most recent cases heroin was the commodity that sparked the flame.
The only people who take your position, blindly saying that there is no evidence of 'Israeli' involvement in 911 are either shills or utter morons. If you would like me to start presenting the evidence for Israeli involvement say so. At this point my opinion, and the evidence, support a transnational interest in invading Afghanistan has happened several times and in the two most recent cases heroin was the commodity that sparked the flame.
Well, this is ironic. The Nazis didn't come into power in Germany because people blindly believed what the government said. The Nazis came to power largely because people bought into weird conspiracy theories blaming the Jews for their problems. You know, the kind of thing you're pushing right now.
If you want to confirm this you can read a book. Or you can find any educated American and get him or her drunk and they'll confirm it.
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If someone wants the truth they can go to http://patriotsquestion911.com/ and scroll halfway down the page.
So what? You go there and there's nothing but more assertions being tossed around. Nothing substantial at all.
Any person is welcome to look at the material and make their own decisions.
But they are quite likely then to say "WTF?"
"This link says nothing about those EVIL JOOESSS DOING 9/11!"
So you don't even seem to be linking to a conspiracy site that supports the premise of the thread.
I guess that makes no sense to me.
The premise of the thread is that 911 was orchestrated for the purpose of invading Afghanistan.
A peripheral issue is that many groups then tried to predictably profit from the event.
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If you want to force the "jooz did 911" notion I'm happy to go there.
Most educated Americans, a vast majority, believe discreetly that neocons in the United States, along with a vague network of Zionists, were responsible for 911.
If you pick any well educated American and get him or her drunk enough they will admit it. But polls say most people aren't really sure.
Imagine that. Why would polls not be reflective of actual opinions? Maybe because of jackasses who terrorize people into lying about their opinions. It is people like you who created the Nazis in Germany and who are creating them in america.
The only people who take your position, blindly saying that there is no evidence of 'Israeli' involvement in 911 are either shills or utter morons. If you would like me to start presenting the evidence for Israeli involvement say so. At this point my opinion, and the evidence, support a transnational interest in invading Afghanistan has happened several times and in the two most recent cases heroin was the commodity that sparked the flame.
If someone wants the truth they can go to http://patriotsquestion911.com/ and scroll halfway down the page.
What about a source that is official and not made by some lunatic that thinks earth is flat.
I am so tired of all these conspiracy junkies..
All of the 'authorities' at that link are mainstream types specifically chosen because they are respected by mainstreamers.
There may be a few flatearthers mixed in but the majority are very conventional.
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Russia would let the bankers back into Russia ... only if Israeli people in Russia were allowed to return to their homelands of ancient times.
Otay Panky.
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If someone wants the truth they can go to http://patriotsquestion911.com/ and scroll halfway down the page.
So what? You go there and there's nothing but more assertions being tossed around. Nothing substantial at all.
Any person is welcome to look at the material and make their own decisions.
But they are quite likely then to say "WTF?"
"This link says nothing about those EVIL JOOESSS DOING 9/11!"
So you don't even seem to be linking to a conspiracy site that supports the premise of the thread.
I guess that makes no sense to me.
If someone wants the truth they can go to http://patriotsquestion911.com/ and scroll halfway down the page.
What about a source that is official and not made by some lunatic that thinks earth is flat.
I am so tired of all these conspiracy junkies..
All of the 'authorities' at that link are mainstream types specifically chosen because they are respected by mainstreamers.
There may be a few flatearthers mixed in but the majority are very conventional.
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Russia would let the bankers back into Russia ... only if Israeli people in Russia were allowed to return to their homelands of ancient times.
Otay Panky.
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If someone wants the truth they can go to http://patriotsquestion911.com/ and scroll halfway down the page.
So what? You go there and there's nothing but more assertions being tossed around. Nothing substantial at all.
Any person is welcome to look at the material and make their own decisions.
So, "a lot of the evidence is compelling" - your words - is a false statement.
No.
There is compelling evidence that a group of non Muslim people was involved in orchestrating 911.
There is extremely strong evidence that some of those people were Israelis who were obviously led to believe that they were acting on behalf of some 'national' interest.
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Nothing at all.
If someone wants the truth they can go to http://patriotsquestion911.com/ and scroll halfway down the page.
Let's summarize. You said this -
There is compelling evidence that a group of non Muslim people was involved in orchestrating 911.
There is extremely strong evidence that some of those people were Israelis who were obviously led to believe that they were acting on behalf of some 'national' interest.
And you have not supported it one bit. Saying it over and over, or linking to nothing or dead links, or claiming that the government takes down links, or linking to "sources" that just ask questions which are not supported by facts, is a waste of time.
You have shown nothing. 9/11 was the job of Muslim terrorists. No Israelis were involved. You are doing nothing more than claiming the victims of terrorism are the terrorists, and the terrorists are the good guys.
Try again.
Some people will support 'their' group no matter what.
A lot of simple minded Germans supported Hitler because they thought he represented Germany.
A lot of simple minded Jews support Zionism because they think it represents Judaism.
http://www.truetorahjews.org/zionism
The state of Israel is, at best, an attempt by some anti nationalist Jews to teach their descendants about nationalism at a reasonable price. But there are always going to be hillfolk who miss the forest for the trees.
A lot of simple minded Germans supported Hitler because they thought he represented Germany.
A lot of simple minded Jews support Zionism because they think it represents Judaism.
http://www.truetorahjews.org/zionism
The state of Israel is, at best, an attempt by some anti nationalist Jews to teach their descendants about nationalism at a reasonable price. But there are always going to be hillfolk who miss the forest for the trees.
The State of Israel is the result of the U.S./Russia agreements to let the big bankers back into Russia after WWII. Russia would let the bankers back into Russia (from the U.S., after Hitler and Stalin had virtually destroyed them in Russia and most of Europe in WWII), only if Israeli people in Russia were allowed to return to their homelands of ancient times.
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