at least the guy on sealand had weapons
what's to stop anybody from seizing millionaire ideologue refuge island? last time i checked history, independent countries with no defence or intl treaties end up getting fucked. i don't see why anything would change now. hey somali 'fisherman'.. go seize this place and plant a Puntland flag.
Topic: Internet billionaire donates $1.25 million to create libertarian islands (Read 6478 times)
September 23, 2011, 12:08:44 AM
September 22, 2011, 08:45:40 PM
Has anyone written a fictional story about what it would be like to live on a libertarian island that was intentionally built that way? I'm having a difficult time with understanding how it would work. After the headache Ayn Rand left me, I would hope that this idea has improved in the last several decades.
Does Bioshock count?
Maybe Gulliver's Travels?
Psychic mutants and Lilliputians are just as believable as a Libertarian society.
Oh wait, there's 4chan's /b/. Well back when /b/ was good.
September 22, 2011, 07:47:21 PM
Has anyone written a fictional story about what it would be like to live on a libertarian island that was intentionally built that way? I'm having a difficult time with understanding how it would work. After the headache Ayn Rand left me, I would hope that this idea has improved in the last several decades.
Does Bioshock count?
Maybe Gulliver's Travels?
Psychic mutants and Lilliputians are just as believable as a Libertarian society.
Really, the best custom-tailored make-believe world where libertarianism totally works is... Atlas Shrugged.
Sadly, this is probably true.
September 22, 2011, 07:00:56 PM
Has anyone written a fictional story about what it would be like to live on a libertarian island that was intentionally built that way? I'm having a difficult time with understanding how it would work. After the headache Ayn Rand left me, I would hope that this idea has improved in the last several decades.
Does Bioshock count?
Maybe Gulliver's Travels?
Psychic mutants and Lilliputians are just as believable as a Libertarian society.
Really, the best custom-tailored make-believe world where libertarianism totally works is... Atlas Shrugged.
September 22, 2011, 06:26:30 PM
Has anyone written a fictional story about what it would be like to live on a libertarian island that was intentionally built that way? I'm having a difficult time with understanding how it would work. After the headache Ayn Rand left me, I would hope that this idea has improved in the last several decades.
Does Bioshock count?
Maybe Gulliver's Travels?
Psychic mutants and Lilliputians are just as believable as a Libertarian society.
September 22, 2011, 04:39:24 PM
Has anyone written a fictional story about what it would be like to live on a libertarian island that was intentionally built that way? I'm having a difficult time with understanding how it would work. After the headache Ayn Rand left me, I would hope that this idea has improved in the last several decades.
Does Bioshock count?
Maybe Gulliver's Travels?
September 22, 2011, 10:13:41 AM
Has anyone written a fictional story about what it would be like to live on a libertarian island that was intentionally built that way? I'm having a difficult time with understanding how it would work. After the headache Ayn Rand left me, I would hope that this idea has improved in the last several decades.
Does Bioshock count?
September 07, 2011, 05:53:44 AM
so the billionaire cares enough about this idea to donate less than 0.1% of his gains from society to it?
You speak as if society did not gain from his idea. Do you hold this sentiment or am I reading too much into your question?
gained? what about net gain? a billionaire's effect on the economy skews production priorities a lot. So in production, market forces lead society as a whole to cease production of needed items and produce more luxuries. With less competition for goods afforded and needed by ordinary people cost of living goes up.
The net loss is shared by billions to cater for a billionaire. no thanks.
September 07, 2011, 05:19:09 AM
so the billionaire cares enough about this idea to donate less than 0.1% of his gains from society to it?
You speak as if society did not gain from his idea. Do you hold this sentiment or am I reading too much into your question?
September 07, 2011, 03:46:59 AM
so the billionaire cares enough about this idea to donate less than 0.1% of his gains from society to it?
September 05, 2011, 02:58:51 PM
Has anyone written a fictional story about what it would be like to live on a libertarian island that was intentionally built that way? I'm having a difficult time with understanding how it would work. After the headache Ayn Rand left me, I would hope that this idea has improved in the last several decades.
I sympathize with the Rand headache. I only made it about half-way through Atlas Shrugged before the dramatic, long-winded prose, and idealistic two-dimensional characters defeated me. Withur We might be what you are looking for. I believe it's the author's first book and the writing seemed a little stilted to me at the beginning but I think it improves throughout the book. Libertarianism and Austrian economics are littered throughout the book, but the story is interesting and I thought the anarchic society was handled even-handedly. I don't want to say much more because I don't want to spoil the story. It's a novel with a definite ideological bias but it's pretty good reading.
September 03, 2011, 01:00:36 PM
Also I think someone wrote a book about island countries. Not having any luck remembering the author or title name, though, so hopefully it all comes back to me.
"Lord of the Flies" - William Golding
The one I'm thinking of was a "how to" guide lol
September 03, 2011, 12:58:05 PM
Has anyone written a fictional story about what it would be like to live on a libertarian island that was intentionally built that way? I'm having a difficult time with understanding how it would work. After the headache Ayn Rand left me, I would hope that this idea has improved in the last several decades.
Oath of Fealty by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle?
September 03, 2011, 12:20:56 PM
Also I think someone wrote a book about island countries. Not having any luck remembering the author or title name, though, so hopefully it all comes back to me.
"Lord of the Flies" - William Golding
September 03, 2011, 09:47:30 AM
Has anyone written a fictional story about what it would be like to live on a libertarian island that was intentionally built that way? I'm having a difficult time with understanding how it would work. After the headache Ayn Rand left me, I would hope that this idea has improved in the last several decades.
Some "author" - not sure if he's a hack or not - is apparently writing one right now. I recall him saying it'll be "even-handed" but we know how such claims go. He wrote about the Seasteading idea on his blog, too. I'll try to look it up.
Also I think someone wrote a book about island countries. Not having any luck remembering the author or title name, though, so hopefully it all comes back to me.
September 03, 2011, 08:22:01 AM
Has anyone written a fictional story about what it would be like to live on a libertarian island that was intentionally built that way? I'm having a difficult time with understanding how it would work. After the headache Ayn Rand left me, I would hope that this idea has improved in the last several decades.
September 03, 2011, 08:04:47 AM
I think I'll ask a similar question instead: does anyone here have objections to secession from the state? If the state's territory is not being lost? If taxpayers bear no brunt? Etc. etc.
Obviously this relates to the thread topic, but right now I'm more interested in the principle behind seasteading than I am in objections to possible cases.
Obviously this relates to the thread topic, but right now I'm more interested in the principle behind seasteading than I am in objections to possible cases.
September 02, 2011, 03:14:08 PM
I have a hard time believing that a country that was so scared of communism spreading close to its borders would let any foreign power invade a colony THAT close off US shores. No way.
The US would not "let" it be invaded simply because they'd be the invaders
The US would not "let" it be invaded simply because they'd be the invaders
This island will be a protectorate of the USA and so it can't have libertarian laws that upset society too much. Obviously it won't legalize rape or murder, but it might you know:
* If your neighbor's dog barks nonstop, you can shoot the dog in self defense
* Gets rid of copyright and patent laws
* No laws of sexual pruditry
* All the US bills named with Orwellian doublespeak (e.g. Patriotic Act, Clear Skies Act, Healthy Forests Act) will be officiall referred to by honest names.
Etc.
That kind of thing would make people in the US to complain and the freedoms would be taken away.
September 02, 2011, 04:16:13 AM
A powerful nation can come in and conquer these tiny island nations because they could never pack enough military to fight off a much larger nation like China or even North Korea.
rofl NK is going to stage an attack off the US coast? you must be up out your mind.
Anyway, does anyone here have objections - in principle - to people seceding in such a way if they pay for their own way?
Well if a libertarian island starts having laws the US doesn't like, then they won't defend it. If the island abolishes all those sex laws like age of consent, age of pornography, age of prostitution, etc. then the USA will let it be invaded. Also if it becomes a haven for drugs and software piracy, they'll let it be invaded.
I have a hard time believing that a country that was so scared of communism spreading close to its borders would let any foreign power invade a colony THAT close off US shores. No way.
The US would not "let" it be invaded simply because they'd be the invaders
September 01, 2011, 08:17:12 PM
They might even send a team or two of their own
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