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Topic: Internet billionaire donates $1.25 million to create libertarian islands - page 4. (Read 6478 times)

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Only $1.25 million?  Thats not enough to buy a house with a decent garden in London let alone to create a free state.  This guy should pony up enough to at least make his idea possible.

Which isn't really the goal of the project. From the website:

"Many similar ventures failed because they expected billions to materialize out of thin air. Our ideas for seastead financing are far more realistic. The basic idea is to proceed in self-financing, incremental steps."
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I hope they build it off the coast of Somalia. I don't want my tax money spent to defend it.

Why not? Isn't the ability to experiment with new governments and societies a very useful thing? They state repeatedly on the website that this isn't restricted to libertarianism. So I assume various forms of socialism could be tested aswell. The only criteria is that people should always be allowed to leave.

It seems to me that there's a lot to learn here, what ever your political views are.
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this is going to be crazy when its done..


Crazy good place to hide from taxes and bang child prostitutes, but otherwise (if it even gets started) it'll just be a disaster that ends in chaos just like every biodome trial... ever.

Perhaps you should of read the link I posted? Have a look at this quote below:

We don’t think our libertarian supporters expect to create a perfect libertarian paradise where they can do whatever they want without any interference. They are simply looking for a significant improvement over the territorial status quo. To see how large a gain this might be, try the following thought experiment: Look at all the states currently in existence and consider how a libertarian might hand select the best available policies from among them to create a new, single set of institutions.

For example, there are countries in Europe (Switzerland, The Netherlands and Portugal) with fairly lax drug laws (social freedom). There are economic havens (Luxembourg, Bahamas) with very low tax rates (economic freedom). None are perfect from a libertarian perspective. The drug-tolerant countries tend to be left-leaning states with high taxes. The tax havens tend to be more right-wing and socially restrictive. Libertarians feel the combination of these two types of freedoms is worth striving for, even if either is restricted to the maximum level currently tolerated by any of the powers-that-be. Such a state would be far more libertarian than any currently in existence without pushing the legal envelope or creating any radically new policies.

In practice, some libertarians think they can achieve even more freedom than this. Countries really do have a great deal of leeway in their internal affairs, after all. A libertarian seastead should easily be able to have no zoning laws or building codes, low taxes, no import/export tariffs, few restrictions on weapons, local consumption of drugs, no minimum wage, no legislated work week, no coerced welfare system, no eminent domain and many other items from a laundry list of common libertarian policies.

Sure, there are definite limitations. Actions seen as a serious threat to the security of other nations ought not be tolerated, such as letting terrorists launder money, exporting drugs to countries where they are illegal, or researching or building weapons of mass destruction, particularly with nuclear capabilities.
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I wondered how long it will take for a thread like this to surface!

One of the better ideas around

http://www.new-utopia.org/

just a pity it is taking so long.
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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
I hope they build it off the coast of Somalia. I don't want my tax money spent to defend it.
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this is going to be crazy when its done..


Crazy good place to hide from taxes and bang child prostitutes, but otherwise (if it even gets started) it'll just be a disaster that ends in chaos just like every biodome trial... ever.
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this is going to be crazy when its done..
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For those interested in this, I suggest reading the detailed and well-written FAQ here: http://seasteading.org/about-seasteading/frequently-asked-questions
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I thought it had been ruled that countries can't claim human built land as their territory, only natural land

I assume that's inaccurate considering how many years Patri Friedman has been trying this, but I don't know enough about law to check. But for a practical aversion of that, have a look at Sealand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand).
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Only $1.25 million?  Thats not enough to buy a house with a decent garden in London let alone to create a free state.  This guy should pony up enough to at least make his idea possible.
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Firstbits.com/1fg4i :)
I thought it had been ruled that countries can't claim human built land as their territory, only natural land
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This idea has been around for a long time.  If it becomes a reality, I might just hop on board so to speak.
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http://bestplaces.nydailynews.com/voyeur/internet-billionaire-donates-125-million-create-libertarian-islands

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Internet billionaire donates $1.25 million to create libertarian islands



Peter Thiel has made his fortune by being part of the next big thing: He was a co-founder of Paypal and one of the early investors of Facebook.

But a new Details profile sums up his new plans: “Forget startup companies. The next frontier is startup countries.”

Thiel has donated $1.25 million to the Seasteading Institute, the brainchild of Patri Friedman, a former Google engineer and grandson of economist Milton Friedman. Here’s the gist: creation of libertarian, sovereign nations built on oil-rig-type platforms anchored in international waters and free from the laws and moral codes of any other country.

Plans for the prototype include a movable, diesel-powered 12,000-ton structure that could house 270 residents. The goal would be to eventually link hundreds of the structures together.

Friedman’s timeline is to launch offices off San Francisco next year, get a full-time settlement within seven years and eventually diplomatic recognition from the UN.



“The ultimate goal is to open a frontier for experimenting with new ideas for government,” Friedman told Details. Some of the changes: no welfare or minimum wage, looser building codes and few restrictions on weapons.

Friedman thinks what could set this apart from an Ayn Rand novel – or even a remake of “Waterworld” – is the idea of entrepreneurship. He calls one idea Appletopia. A corporation, such as Apple, “starts a country as a business. The more desirable the country, the more valuable the real estate.”

Criticism of the idea hasn’t been kind. Slate’s Jacob Weisberg called it “the most elaborate effort ever devised by a group of computer nerds to get invited to an orgy.”

Yahoo News points out that Thiel made news this year for putting a portion of his $1.5 billion fortune into an initiative to encourage entrepreneurs to skip college.
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