[Investment fund] Gamma Bitcoin Fund [Closed] - page 20.

Sukrim

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Quote from: strello on November 15, 2012, 02:21:44 AM

Icebreaker, you can find DT's "evidence" post here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1247265

I think you will then understand why he's being a bit coy about it.

It amounts to two bad photos of parts of some ID- a German Identity Card apparently. No photos. And maybe some vague bank info.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_identity_card

As Sukrim posts here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1249700

"It's not a passport, it's a "Personalausweis" - and only the backside of it for that matter. There's not evern a birth date or photo on the back side, why did you accept this?!"

Oh and by the way there's a BIG thread on the German subforum (in German) about him, as he seemed to operate the now broke exchange "mybitcontrade" as well as offering several financial products there. He seems to pay back small amounts recently though to some of his debtors after a lot of them threatened to got to (or went to) the police and/or file charges. I'd recommend you to read more about it in this thread (in the end - the beginnning is still about the oh-so-great GLBSE ripoff page...): https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/update-11-bitcoin-borse-uberarbeitet-dividenden-ausschuttung-75-btc-37320

DeaDTerra

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Quote from: lenny_ on November 15, 2012, 07:44:16 PM

Is this voting pool (mentioned before) public? So everybody can vote, even those, who never invest in GBF? If so, I don't see a point in voting. You're holding 440 BTC - they should be distributed immediately to investors.

If you want to vote, please do. But every vote should been assigned to investor (to the number on the list, for example), so only those, who agree to SatoshiDice will bet with their, remaining funds. If someone want to put funds in to SatoshiDice - please do! But only your part, not ours.

Quote from: keystroke on November 15, 2012, 07:51:35 PM

Quote from: lenny_ on November 15, 2012, 07:44:16 PM

Is this voting pool (mentioned before) public? So everybody can vote, even those, who never invest in GBF? If so, I don't see a point in voting. You're holding 440 BTC - they should be distributed immediately to investors.

If you want to vote, please do. But every vote should been assigned to investor (to the number on the list, for example), so only those, who agree to SatoshiDice will bet with their, remaining funds. If someone want to put funds in to SatoshiDice - please do! But only your part, not ours.

The SatoshiDice answer was there just to be funny. Discounting it, only <10% said no, so it looks like people want a payout. <10% as no is a very low number seeing as anyone can vote. People who aren't invested would have more reason for saying no. I think we want our BTC Cheesy

So am I correct that it will be calculated by taking the final/current investor holdings spreadsheet, adding up the total, and then finding each investor's % of the total. Then multiplying that % by the 430-440 BTC and paying them out the result?

Okay it seems like we will do a payout

For anyone unhappy with this contact me and I am sure we can reach some sort of compromise.
To the rest a payout will be done today or tomorrow,
It will indeed be done by calculating each investors total % of the fund and then paying out a proportionate amount to the 430 BTC.
//DeaDTerra

keystroke

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Quote from: lenny_ on November 15, 2012, 07:44:16 PM

Is this voting pool (mentioned before) public? So everybody can vote, even those, who never invest in GBF? If so, I don't see a point in voting. You're holding 440 BTC - they should be distributed immediately to investors.

If you want to vote, please do. But every vote should been assigned to investor (to the number on the list, for example), so only those, who agree to SatoshiDice will bet with their, remaining funds. If someone want to put funds in to SatoshiDice - please do! But only your part, not ours.

The SatoshiDice answer was there just to be funny. Discounting it, only <10% said no, so it looks like people want a payout. <10% as no is a very low number seeing as anyone can vote. People who aren't invested would have more reason for saying no. I think we want our BTC Cheesy

So am I correct that it will be calculated by taking the final/current investor holdings spreadsheet, adding up the total, and then finding each investor's % of the total. Then multiplying that % by the 430-440 BTC and paying them out the result?

lenny_

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Is this voting pool (mentioned before) public? So everybody can vote, even those, who never invest in GBF? If so, I don't see a point in voting. You're holding 440 BTC - they should be distributed immediately to investors.

If you want to vote, please do. But every vote should been assigned to investor (to the number on the list, for example), so only those, who agree to SatoshiDice will bet with their, remaining funds. If someone want to put funds in to SatoshiDice - please do! But only your part, not ours.

DeaDTerra

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Quote from: lenny_ on November 15, 2012, 05:34:25 AM

I am absolutely against putting our money into SatoshiDice.
DeadTerra, when you will do first payouts? Since I invested into this fund couple of months ago, I haven't seen even single bitcoin coming back to me.

I am as well.
We are deciding in that right now, We have about 430-440 Bitcoins that could be paid out if a majority of the investors wants to go that way.
//DeaDTerra

lenny_

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I am absolutely against putting our money into SatoshiDice.
DeadTerra, when you will do first payouts? Since I invested into this fund couple of months ago, I haven't seen even single bitcoin coming back to me.

strello

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Icebreaker, you can find DT's "evidence" post here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1247265

I think you will then understand why he's being a bit coy about it.

It amounts to two bad photos of parts of some ID- a German Identity Card apparently. No photos. And maybe some vague bank info.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_identity_card

As Sukrim posts here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1249700

"It's not a passport, it's a "Personalausweis" - and only the backside of it for that matter. There's not evern a birth date or photo on the back side, why did you accept this?!"

iCEBREAKER

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Quote from: DeaDTerra on November 15, 2012, 12:52:25 AM

A simple search on the forums will give you the answer, or check my post history.
Give respect and you will get respect, you have been rude and ignorant before.
I have never ripped anyone off, I have never broken a contract or a promise.
//DeaDTerra

I asked you a fair question in a direct yet polite way. You didn't need to bring your butthurt over other posts into it.

I'll repeat myself since you did not respond to my previous point and inquiry:

Since you made the promise in this thread, shouldn't you also follow through here as well?

DeaDTerra

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on November 14, 2012, 05:15:16 PM

Quote from: DeaDTerra on November 14, 2012, 02:19:11 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on November 14, 2012, 01:58:09 AM

DeadTerra,

When are you going to follow through on your promise to release the scammer (Ziggi/Crazy) passport and ID scans?

For what reason has that action been delayed thus far?

This information has already been released, please do you research before you open you mouth thanks

//DeaDTerra

I re-read this entire thread and did not see that information.

Since you made the promise in this thread, shouldn't you also follow through here as well?

Or is a snotty put-down all us investors who you ripped off deserve now?

A simple search on the forums will give you the answer, or check my post history.
Give respect and you will get respect, you have been rude and ignorant before.
I have never ripped anyone off, I have never broken a contract or a promise.
//DeaDTerra

iCEBREAKER

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Quote from: DeaDTerra on November 14, 2012, 02:19:11 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on November 14, 2012, 01:58:09 AM

DeadTerra,

When are you going to follow through on your promise to release the scammer (Ziggi/Crazy) passport and ID scans?

For what reason has that action been delayed thus far?

This information has already been released, please do you research before you open you mouth thanks

//DeaDTerra

I re-read this entire thread and did not see that information.

Since you made the promise in this thread, shouldn't you also follow through here as well?

Or is a snotty put-down all us investors who you ripped off deserve now?

keystroke

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Quote from: DeaDTerra on November 14, 2012, 01:57:33 PM

Quote from: jimbobway on November 14, 2012, 01:47:28 PM

Quote from: DeaDTerra on November 14, 2012, 08:29:28 AM

I personally feel like a dice roll is a stupid idea tbh.

One could argue GLBSE is a stupid idea, tbh.

Indeed, one could even argue it is a more stupid act then rolling a dice as the odds are unknown hence it can have even worse risk to profit ratio.
//DeaDTerra

haha, I really just put that in the poll to add some levity Cheesy

However it would be even more funny if we actually did it!

DeaDTerra

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Quote from: jimbobway on November 14, 2012, 01:47:28 PM

Quote from: DeaDTerra on November 14, 2012, 08:29:28 AM

I personally feel like a dice roll is a stupid idea tbh.

One could argue GLBSE is a stupid idea, tbh.

Indeed, one could even argue it is a more stupid act then rolling a dice as the odds are unknown hence it can have even worse risk to profit ratio.
//DeaDTerra

jimbobway

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Quote from: DeaDTerra on November 14, 2012, 08:29:28 AM

I personally feel like a dice roll is a stupid idea tbh.

One could argue GLBSE is a stupid idea, tbh.

DeaDTerra

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Quote from: strello on November 14, 2012, 08:06:42 AM

I think that keystroke's poll is very entertaining, but this isn't just a poll for GBF investors, any bitcointalk forum members can vote.

The result must not be taken as any kind of indication of the wishes of GBF investors.

Of course those with either no, or very small, investment find the prospect of a roll of the dice appealing.

I would prefer a payout, but a part of me thinks the Satoshi dice option is probably more appropriate given the increasingly farcical nature of this fund.

from Wikipedia:

"a farce is a comedy which aims at entertaining the audience by means of unlikely, extravagant, and improbable situations, disguise and mistaken identity, verbal humor of varying degrees of sophistication, which may include word play, and a fast-paced plot whose speed usually increases, culminating in an ending which often involves an elaborate chase scene. Farces are often highly incomprehensible plot-wise (due to the large number of plot twists and random events that often occur), but viewers are encouraged not to try to follow the plot in order to avoid becoming confused and overwhelmed. "

That's true, I did not take that into consideration when the statement was made.
I will take it into consideration when the final decision is made but not as an absolute fact.
I personally feel like a dice roll is a stupid idea tbh.

Payout it probably what I will end up doing, as I feel that people have waited long enough and as this wait seem to be even longer a small payout is the least I can do.

Indeed, This is getting quite ridiculous.
//DeaDTerra

strello

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I think that keystroke's poll is very entertaining, but this isn't just a poll for GBF investors, any bitcointalk forum members can vote.

The result must not be taken as any kind of indication of the wishes of GBF investors.

Of course those with either no, or very small, investment find the prospect of a roll of the dice appealing.

I would prefer a payout, but a part of me thinks the Satoshi dice option is probably more appropriate given the increasingly farcical nature of this fund.

from Wikipedia:

"a farce is a comedy which aims at entertaining the audience by means of unlikely, extravagant, and improbable situations, disguise and mistaken identity, verbal humor of varying degrees of sophistication, which may include word play, and a fast-paced plot whose speed usually increases, culminating in an ending which often involves an elaborate chase scene. Farces are often highly incomprehensible plot-wise (due to the large number of plot twists and random events that often occur), but viewers are encouraged not to try to follow the plot in order to avoid becoming confused and overwhelmed. "

DeaDTerra

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Quote from: keystroke on November 14, 2012, 12:08:53 AM

Quote from: strello on November 13, 2012, 06:48:38 PM

I'm very much in favour of paying out what little there is now.

The 450 or so left now would give everyone back around 6% of their "investment".

That's better than nothing when this unpredictable bot eats it or something.

Then I think any other money should be paid out as soon as it's recovered.

Can we please get some opinions in here and put an end to this sad farce?

Agreed, I would like to be paid out ASAP. My friend who is has a decent sum invested agreed with me - he is busy with school or would post here as well. I can probably get him to email DT directly. (Writing him now so he can confirm this through a private email)

Since so many people are quiet -- is there anyone who really wants us to keep waiting more months and months? Aside from the one guy who wants to bet it all on Satoshi Dice - I would rather do that honestly than keep waiting Cheesy

Although I am sure he said it tongue in cheek ;P Then again, who knows!

Edit: I added a poll here, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/should-gamma-fund-pay-out-its-remaining-holdings-to-investors-124180

I will honor whatever the poll results will be.
//DeaDTerra

DeaDTerra

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on November 14, 2012, 01:58:09 AM

DeadTerra,

When are you going to follow through on your promise to release the scammer (Ziggi/Crazy) passport and ID scans?

For what reason has that action been delayed thus far?

This information has already been released, please do you research before you open you mouth thanks

//DeaDTerra

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Quote from: DeaDTerra on November 13, 2012, 10:00:58 AM

I have yet to hear a clear opinions if you guys wish to have the coins paid out. Another alternative is to pay out 50% and keep 50% in the bot?
That would be the best compromise according to me.
//DeaDTerra

My vote/suggestion would be to pay out as much as feasible, and to liquidate any remaining amounts as soon as possible and pay them out as well.

But, as said, just a suggestion/vote, and only if you are looking for one. Not trying to pressure you.

deego

iCEBREAKER

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DeadTerra,

When are you going to follow through on your promise to release the scammer (Ziggi/Crazy) passport and ID scans?

For what reason has that action been delayed thus far?

keystroke

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Quote from: strello on November 13, 2012, 06:48:38 PM

I'm very much in favour of paying out what little there is now.

The 450 or so left now would give everyone back around 6% of their "investment".

That's better than nothing when this unpredictable bot eats it or something.

Then I think any other money should be paid out as soon as it's recovered.

Can we please get some opinions in here and put an end to this sad farce?

Agreed, I would like to be paid out ASAP. My friend who is has a decent sum invested agreed with me - he is busy with school or would post here as well. I can probably get him to email DT directly. (Writing him now so he can confirm this through a private email)

Since so many people are quiet -- is there anyone who really wants us to keep waiting more months and months? Aside from the one guy who wants to bet it all on Satoshi Dice - I would rather do that honestly than keep waiting Cheesy

Although I am sure he said it tongue in cheek ;P Then again, who knows!

Edit: I added a poll here, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/should-gamma-fund-pay-out-its-remaining-holdings-to-investors-124180

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