Investors wishes for rise of market price to make profits, So how about Traders?

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Quote from: Cryptohygenic on November 07, 2024, 01:00:45 PM

Please I come in peace, I love to know what does traders wishes for at the state of time to make profits in the market since Investors holds and wishes for the rise of crypto market so that their assets could grow on giving them profits?

Investors buy when the market is low, hold for a long time, and wish for the market to keep going up. For traders, the case is similar but a bit different. They wait for retracements and dips, buy when the market dips, and then wait for the market to go back up so that they can sell and make a profit. They don't wait for too long; even 5% per trade is more than enough for a trader, unlike investors who usually wait to get at least about 3x to 5x from their investments.

Trading can sometimes be more profitable than investing and holding because in trading, you can take quick profits and continue doing that as long as the market conditions allow you. Making a few trades a day and securing about 10% to 15% profits is more than enough because with that average, you can get more than 300% a month easily but only if you can do it effectively.

Many traders fail in trading because they don't understand the market very well. So market knowledge is extremely important for this.

It's a risk/reward type of deal, where you trade the stability of your investment for being able to play around much more than just holding and waiting it out.
I would choose to hold all day and night, however, I also see why many people become interested in trading and the markers for it.

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Quote from: Cryptohygenic on November 07, 2024, 01:00:45 PM

Please I come in peace, I love to know what does traders wishes for at the state of time to make profits in the market since Investors holds and wishes for the rise of crypto market so that their assets could grow on giving them profits?

Investors buy when the market is low, hold for a long time, and wish for the market to keep going up. For traders, the case is similar but a bit different. They wait for retracements and dips, buy when the market dips, and then wait for the market to go back up so that they can sell and make a profit. They don't wait for too long; even 5% per trade is more than enough for a trader, unlike investors who usually wait to get at least about 3x to 5x from their investments.

Trading can sometimes be more profitable than investing and holding because in trading, you can take quick profits and continue doing that as long as the market conditions allow you. Making a few trades a day and securing about 10% to 15% profits is more than enough because with that average, you can get more than 300% a month easily but only if you can do it effectively.

Many traders fail in trading because they don't understand the market very well. So market knowledge is extremely important for this.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on November 09, 2024, 12:50:48 PM

Smart traders embrace any performance they get from the market because they are dedicated to the business, they sport bullish move quickly before it comes and they also sport bearish move easily before it happens and because they are quick to sport the market direction, they usually know when to jump in and take profit and also when not to trade. They play smart with the market and are very risk conscious. So, the conclusion is that there are traders who doesn't care about the market performance, they are always prepared.

Well, this is what is very interesting. Market conditions are certainly not an excuse for smart people who work with good dedication. They always think they have time to do business and things are different from investors. They really hope that market movements will continue to improve with high prices in order to make a profit.

Experienced traders definitely know how to follow the direction of market movements when they collect lots of coins and avoid trading short because they know the risk is too big, most of them are also not constrained by market conditions, whether pump or crash, always ready, the important thing is to play smartly in every trade on the market crypto.

Like I said, they are usually prepare for the market swing and they take position depending on what their analysis tells them to do. So, they don't wait for price to surge before they mark profit. If the market is in a down trend, they only enter short position for every trade they start and when the market is in a bullish up trend too, they usually take just long position for every trade they make.

For example, since the market start to trend upward, some day traders and scalpers have not taken a short position, but usually taking just long position.

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Quote from: Cryptohygenic on November 07, 2024, 01:00:45 PM

Please I come in peace, I love to know what does traders wishes for at the state of time to make profits in the market since Investors holds and wishes for the rise of crypto market so that their assets could grow on giving them profits?

Since traders are not holders, then there is nothing to boarder them whether the market is dip or high, because traders are doing it based on their strategy and how they analyse the market. Some traders will say the market will be in dip to some extent of time while others will say the market will be high to some time.

I think that is what traders do while trading, so you as a trader should be the one to analyse which side part of these two will be the safest side for because profit matters a lot, but if you trade for a long time, then I believe you will be looking for a trade at a high price because that is what will help you. Trading is not gambling due to the risk that is attached to it, but if you look at some part of it, it is just like gambling.

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Investors are expected to be running the long term game, so they dont care about short terms losses but only about yearly or biyearly rise.

Traders on the other hand can go for short or long term. Long term traders are comparable to investors but short term traders will make use of every possible market move to plant a trade and hope for the profits. I dont recommend short term trading to newbies.

At the end of the day, both groups want bitcoin price to rise.

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Quote from: Silberman on November 11, 2024, 10:02:18 AM

Traders care about the volatility of the market and not about its direction, and this is because they can make money in either direction, what they really need is for the market to make strong moves, and this can only happen when the volatility on the market is high, this is why the worst market conditions for a trader are when the market is not really moving much, as each trade they open represents a losing position since the market does not move as much as they expected it.

Yeah, traders always look for high fluctuations against investor's wish of uni-directional rise. Even traders are able to make profits along with investors when market shows uni-directional movement, traders expectation is about catching multiple profits from multiple trades but within same price range. It means if bitcoin moved from 70k to 80k means, investors will make only one 10k profits whereas traders will make 50k profits given that bitcoin moved back and forth between 70k to 80k multiple times.

Basically traders do get better chances to make huge profits if they are equipped with required skills for identifying the exact turning price levels. It means huge profits are possible if have enough skills and risk taking appetite. Investors, on the other hand will make fixed profits yet with minimal risks and with no requirement of any specialized skills for catching price levels where market turns.

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Quote from: Cryptohygenic on November 07, 2024, 01:00:45 PM

There are actually questions one would ask and others would say "No" "You have bypassed this stage" meaning you are expected to have known what that is and so you are not supposed to ask such question.
There are varies of common knowledges we might have skipped off the mind or never been aware of it in the process of our learning.
So this does not matter your level of profession if having to ask such basic or primary question while you have become a professional or an expert.
I am saying this because there are certain questions some highily ranked memebers in the forum do ask which some other users in the forum would lash bad at them on why should they ask such a basic question that even newbies could be knowledge about.

Please I come in peace, I love to know what does traders wishes for at the state of time to make profits in the market since Investors holds and wishes for the rise of crypto market so that their assets could grow on giving them profits?

Traders care about the volatility of the market and not about its direction, and this is because they can make money in either direction, what they really need is for the market to make strong moves, and this can only happen when the volatility on the market is high, this is why the worst market conditions for a trader are when the market is not really moving much, as each trade they open represents a losing position since the market does not move as much as they expected it.

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Quote from: EL MOHA on November 09, 2024, 12:39:28 PM

When bitcoin or any cryptocurrency coin is rising everyone that is holding is definitely going to earn and once you buy coins to hold them you are basically called an investor or a long swing trader but investor is the most simplified name. When we refer to traders we actually are talking about those future or perpetual traders and they can possibly also be in losing position even if the market is pumping up. The reason is because they might have gone short on their trade and when the market changes structure and started pumping their sell option is usually in loss. This is the reason why you see many traders still getting liquidated in a pumping market.

They can avoids the liquidation if they know how to analyze the market because the problem that traders face are the difficulty to analyze the market moves. Many of them don't think about hold themselves when the price increase for some percent but they will enter to the market and hopes they can make a profit.

If they don't analyze deeper of what happen to the market, they will enter in a wrong time. That can affect to their position so they can not make a profit. But the investors can calm down because their target will be a middle or long term so when the market fluctuate, they can still wait and even they can accumulate more.

It is not easy to be a trader because we must learn more about trading and analyze so we can know what we need to do when the market fluctuate. We can not directly enter to the market without any analyzing because we will be in a wrong time.

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If investors want the market price to rise in order to make a profit, traders like investors want the price to rise in order to make a profit. Market growth is positive for both investors and traders. For those who trade, be it day trading or long time trading, when the market goes up they sell and when there is a little dumping they buy again and wait for the market to go up. Here, the main objective is to earn profit. If they reach that particular target, they can sell their investment and wait to buy at a lower price. At the moment I am making a small profit from the business. If there is a little dumping in the market, I buy from there, if the market increases, I sell. Traders like us here always wish the market to grow.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on November 09, 2024, 12:50:48 PM

Smart traders embrace any performance they get from the market because they are dedicated to the business, they sport bullish move quickly before it comes and they also sport bearish move easily before it happens and because they are quick to sport the market direction, they usually know when to jump in and take profit and also when not to trade. They play smart with the market and are very risk conscious. So, the conclusion is that there are traders who doesn't care about the market performance, they are always prepared.

Well, this is what is very interesting. Market conditions are certainly not an excuse for smart people who work with good dedication. They always think they have time to do business and things are different from investors. They really hope that market movements will continue to improve with high prices in order to make a profit.

Experienced traders definitely know how to follow the direction of market movements when they collect lots of coins and avoid trading short because they know the risk is too big, most of them are also not constrained by market conditions, whether pump or crash, always ready, the important thing is to play smartly in every trade on the market crypto.

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Quote from: Cryptohygenic on November 07, 2024, 01:00:45 PM

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Don't both of them generally want the rise of the market? However, traders can play with whatever the market gives them. Whether it be going up or down traders try to take advantage of everything they possibly can with the skills and forecasts that they have.

Of course, some traders may have preferences as to which one they want to happen more often, but it doesn't remove the fact that they can perform the same (or almost the same) whatever the state of the market is. Personally I suck at it but I've seen (bragged about) a couple of my friends who were able to make a profitable short position every now and then on various coins.

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Traders are most often at the wining side when the market is going in the direction of the side they are on. Investors are also always looking for very good opportunities and want to have invested before the market will go into big profits for them. Investors in this game are open to less risk while traders are more susceptible to higher risk which can also affect their overall emotional state of any of them. Traders are always on the watch out to make money in between when the investor is hoping for a market not to fall too short and also to make a move upward towards their projected target. It’s a win win for traders in any direction but very risky while it’s a loss to investors on one side and on the other side it’s a profit and involves less risk.

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Smart traders embrace any performance they get from the market because they are dedicated to the business, they sport bullish move quickly before it comes and they also sport bearish move easily before it happens and because they are quick to sport the market direction, they usually know when to jump in and take profit and also when not to trade. They play smart with the market and are very risk conscious. So, the conclusion is that there are traders who doesn't care about the market performance, they are always prepared.

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Quote from: jcojci on November 09, 2024, 07:59:10 AM

Whether if that is investor or trader, they want to make a profit. They are make a big profit after Bitcoin jump higher and make a new record on the ATH. The futures traders also benefits from this situation because they made a big profit too as many of them use a big capital.

If they still hold their coin while the price reach new ATH, that will not be a problem because they believes that the price will makes another new ATH. They can hold themselves from taking the profit now because they want to make a big profit in the next year which many people predict Bitcoin price can achieves the highest price.

When bitcoin or any cryptocurrency coin is rising everyone that is holding is definitely going to earn and once you buy coins to hold them you are basically called an investor or a long swing trader but investor is the most simplified name. When we refer to traders we actually are talking about those future or perpetual traders and they can possibly also be in losing position even if the market is pumping up. The reason is because they might have gone short on their trade and when the market changes structure and started pumping their sell option is usually in loss. This is the reason why you see many traders still getting liquidated in a pumping market.

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Please I come in peace, I love to know what does traders wishes for at the state of time to make profits in the market since Investors holds and wishes for the rise of crypto market so that their assets could grow on giving them profits?

They also ask for the same thing that investors are asking for, they ask for the market to rise so they can make profits from trading. As investors are asking so are traders. The only small percentage of traders that ask for the market to fall are those into future trading that they can trade in both ways of the market. It doesn't matter the condition of the market for a future trader although they're taking more risk than the regular trader and this type of trading isn't for everyone as some people can't just do it because they don't have the mind to risk losing money and when they lose, the becoming all unstable and this can cause them to do things that they might not be proud of that they did such things when they begin to get a bad feedback from the decision that they have taken. Traders are one of the fortunate people because they don't have to wait for long before making profit.

Investors benefit from investing when the price of a coin rises, and you must invest for the long term to achieve this. And trading has no set profit period, if you are a competent trader, you will profit on a daily basis. Trading carries greater danger than investing, and all traders require more profit than long-term investors because they risk their money on a regular basis to make a profit. Anyone enters the market for profit. You are right, op investors wish whenever they invest in bitcoin, the prices should just be pumped so that they can have gains on it, and that is investor's goals, and traders require the profit also when they analyze well and see the market is good definitely they will get something at of it. he just that is risk is higher, and if you are someone that doesn't have mind you can't go into trading. Is more better for you should continue investing in bitcoin for long term to get profit then trading and be losing. Because traders are more loses then investing expect you are perfect. And still you will definitely lose sometime because the market is bad sometimes that can not be predicted expect you are lucky and have experience on it very well.

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Quote from: BlackBoss_ on November 09, 2024, 06:31:00 AM

Traders love market volatility because when a market is volatile, it's a more lively market and gives traders more opportunities for trading. In boring market when price is stagnated without much volatility, traders nearly have no jobs to do. It's time for them to do other things and wait for a volatile market to enter it.

Traders who lack of ability to stay outside a boring market, usually will have higher risk by opening their trading positions that can be liquidated when market turns to more volatile. When market is unsafe, stay outside it and don't trade, is a better trading practice for traders.

What about the investors? They can also use it to buy low and sell high, though the ones who mostly do this are I think the short-term investors. As for those who do longer terms, they will mostly do a DCA strategy and won't still care about the price or the volatility and then they will not sell yet/often.

A market can be stable but there might still be coins (preferably newer ones) that are still volatile, so traders can still have something to do. And if let say there isn't any yet, well I guess it is a good time to relax for a while or do other things in real life/outside world instead like you said there. I'm sure there will always be an available activity.

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Quote from: EL MOHA on November 08, 2024, 03:20:02 PM

I think this is the wish of an investor not a trader, investor or simply spot traders are those that but the coins at there dips or any level and then wish for the market to pump. They benefit from the market only if the market pumps and the price goes up. Should there be a dip in the market their funds starts to drop also.

Whilst the traders as many regard them or simply future trades actually relies on both bearish market and bullish market. The traders here are enemies of less volatile or no volatile market as They make money only by the movement of the Market either dips or pumps its simply base on their trade setups. Trades can earn on a bearish market or dipping market by going short or selling while they earn by longing the Market on a bullish period. The trader can mostly go against their setup and that’s why you see traders getting liquidated even in bullish period that many thing is suppose to actually pump everyone’s money

Whether if that is investor or trader, they want to make a profit. They are make a big profit after Bitcoin jump higher and make a new record on the ATH. The futures traders also benefits from this situation because they made a big profit too as many of them use a big capital.

If they still hold their coin while the price reach new ATH, that will not be a problem because they believes that the price will makes another new ATH. They can hold themselves from taking the profit now because they want to make a big profit in the next year which many people predict Bitcoin price can achieves the highest price.

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As others have already mentioned, it's the high volatility that serves as a benefit for traders.
High volatility is of no good for any investor but traders mostly look for such volatility to make a good entry and exit.
This us how they make money. If there's no volatility then their ROI becomes almost nothing.

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Quote from: JeffBrad12 on November 08, 2024, 08:38:33 PM

trader always seek volatility, price going up and down in fast manner is a good opportunity, pretty sure whenever BTC short squeeze the market in this bullrun hundred millions of dollar getting liquidated, sometime billions, meaning the trader gets rekt.

Traders love market volatility because when a market is volatile, it's a more lively market and gives traders more opportunities for trading. In boring market when price is stagnated without much volatility, traders nearly have no jobs to do. It's time for them to do other things and wait for a volatile market to enter it.

Traders who lack of ability to stay outside a boring market, usually will have higher risk by opening their trading positions that can be liquidated when market turns to more volatile. When market is unsafe, stay outside it and don't trade, is a better trading practice for traders.

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Quote from: Cryptohygenic on November 07, 2024, 01:00:45 PM

I love to know what does traders wishes for at the state of time to make profits in the market since Investors holds and wishes for the rise of crypto market so that their assets could grow on giving them profits?

Spot traders as well must be booking profits in the bull market but do you know, spot traders are known for regretting for missing out big rally time to time. After booking profits, if market comes down then spot trader will be proud of their timely exit of positions but in most cases and in bull market, they will end up regretting for not waiting more with trailing stoploss level.

Quote from: Hamza2424 on November 07, 2024, 05:06:20 PM

A trader and investor who does not use leverage and plays with plain assets in the spot market can also enjoy the bearish market by using stop-loss trailing and short-buying strategies.

I trade in sport market but I can enjoy the bearish market only if I have booked profits before market turns out. Trailing stoploss is helpful but will ensure only the safety of margin. Bearish market will create another profit making opportunity for same price levels which is completely not viable for investors.

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