Investors wishes for rise of market price to make profits, So how about Traders? - page 2.

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Quote from: Cryptohygenic on November 07, 2024, 01:00:45 PM

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Don't both of them generally want the rise of the market? However, traders can play with whatever the market gives them. Whether it be going up or down traders try to take advantage of everything they possibly can with the skills and forecasts that they have.

Of course, some traders may have preferences as to which one they want to happen more often, but it doesn't remove the fact that they can perform the same (or almost the same) whatever the state of the market is. Personally I suck at it but I've seen (bragged about) a couple of my friends who were able to make a profitable short position every now and then on various coins.

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Traders are most often at the wining side when the market is going in the direction of the side they are on. Investors are also always looking for very good opportunities and want to have invested before the market will go into big profits for them. Investors in this game are open to less risk while traders are more susceptible to higher risk which can also affect their overall emotional state of any of them. Traders are always on the watch out to make money in between when the investor is hoping for a market not to fall too short and also to make a move upward towards their projected target. It’s a win win for traders in any direction but very risky while it’s a loss to investors on one side and on the other side it’s a profit and involves less risk.

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Smart traders embrace any performance they get from the market because they are dedicated to the business, they sport bullish move quickly before it comes and they also sport bearish move easily before it happens and because they are quick to sport the market direction, they usually know when to jump in and take profit and also when not to trade. They play smart with the market and are very risk conscious. So, the conclusion is that there are traders who doesn't care about the market performance, they are always prepared.

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Quote from: jcojci on November 09, 2024, 07:59:10 AM

Whether if that is investor or trader, they want to make a profit. They are make a big profit after Bitcoin jump higher and make a new record on the ATH. The futures traders also benefits from this situation because they made a big profit too as many of them use a big capital.

If they still hold their coin while the price reach new ATH, that will not be a problem because they believes that the price will makes another new ATH. They can hold themselves from taking the profit now because they want to make a big profit in the next year which many people predict Bitcoin price can achieves the highest price.

When bitcoin or any cryptocurrency coin is rising everyone that is holding is definitely going to earn and once you buy coins to hold them you are basically called an investor or a long swing trader but investor is the most simplified name. When we refer to traders we actually are talking about those future or perpetual traders and they can possibly also be in losing position even if the market is pumping up. The reason is because they might have gone short on their trade and when the market changes structure and started pumping their sell option is usually in loss. This is the reason why you see many traders still getting liquidated in a pumping market.

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Please I come in peace, I love to know what does traders wishes for at the state of time to make profits in the market since Investors holds and wishes for the rise of crypto market so that their assets could grow on giving them profits?

They also ask for the same thing that investors are asking for, they ask for the market to rise so they can make profits from trading. As investors are asking so are traders. The only small percentage of traders that ask for the market to fall are those into future trading that they can trade in both ways of the market. It doesn't matter the condition of the market for a future trader although they're taking more risk than the regular trader and this type of trading isn't for everyone as some people can't just do it because they don't have the mind to risk losing money and when they lose, the becoming all unstable and this can cause them to do things that they might not be proud of that they did such things when they begin to get a bad feedback from the decision that they have taken. Traders are one of the fortunate people because they don't have to wait for long before making profit.

Investors benefit from investing when the price of a coin rises, and you must invest for the long term to achieve this. And trading has no set profit period, if you are a competent trader, you will profit on a daily basis. Trading carries greater danger than investing, and all traders require more profit than long-term investors because they risk their money on a regular basis to make a profit. Anyone enters the market for profit. You are right, op investors wish whenever they invest in bitcoin, the prices should just be pumped so that they can have gains on it, and that is investor's goals, and traders require the profit also when they analyze well and see the market is good definitely they will get something at of it. he just that is risk is higher, and if you are someone that doesn't have mind you can't go into trading. Is more better for you should continue investing in bitcoin for long term to get profit then trading and be losing. Because traders are more loses then investing expect you are perfect. And still you will definitely lose sometime because the market is bad sometimes that can not be predicted expect you are lucky and have experience on it very well.

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Quote from: BlackBoss_ on November 09, 2024, 06:31:00 AM

Traders love market volatility because when a market is volatile, it's a more lively market and gives traders more opportunities for trading. In boring market when price is stagnated without much volatility, traders nearly have no jobs to do. It's time for them to do other things and wait for a volatile market to enter it.

Traders who lack of ability to stay outside a boring market, usually will have higher risk by opening their trading positions that can be liquidated when market turns to more volatile. When market is unsafe, stay outside it and don't trade, is a better trading practice for traders.

What about the investors? They can also use it to buy low and sell high, though the ones who mostly do this are I think the short-term investors. As for those who do longer terms, they will mostly do a DCA strategy and won't still care about the price or the volatility and then they will not sell yet/often.

A market can be stable but there might still be coins (preferably newer ones) that are still volatile, so traders can still have something to do. And if let say there isn't any yet, well I guess it is a good time to relax for a while or do other things in real life/outside world instead like you said there. I'm sure there will always be an available activity.

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Quote from: EL MOHA on November 08, 2024, 03:20:02 PM

I think this is the wish of an investor not a trader, investor or simply spot traders are those that but the coins at there dips or any level and then wish for the market to pump. They benefit from the market only if the market pumps and the price goes up. Should there be a dip in the market their funds starts to drop also.

Whilst the traders as many regard them or simply future trades actually relies on both bearish market and bullish market. The traders here are enemies of less volatile or no volatile market as They make money only by the movement of the Market either dips or pumps its simply base on their trade setups. Trades can earn on a bearish market or dipping market by going short or selling while they earn by longing the Market on a bullish period. The trader can mostly go against their setup and that’s why you see traders getting liquidated even in bullish period that many thing is suppose to actually pump everyone’s money

Whether if that is investor or trader, they want to make a profit. They are make a big profit after Bitcoin jump higher and make a new record on the ATH. The futures traders also benefits from this situation because they made a big profit too as many of them use a big capital.

If they still hold their coin while the price reach new ATH, that will not be a problem because they believes that the price will makes another new ATH. They can hold themselves from taking the profit now because they want to make a big profit in the next year which many people predict Bitcoin price can achieves the highest price.

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As others have already mentioned, it's the high volatility that serves as a benefit for traders.
High volatility is of no good for any investor but traders mostly look for such volatility to make a good entry and exit.
This us how they make money. If there's no volatility then their ROI becomes almost nothing.

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Quote from: JeffBrad12 on November 08, 2024, 08:38:33 PM

trader always seek volatility, price going up and down in fast manner is a good opportunity, pretty sure whenever BTC short squeeze the market in this bullrun hundred millions of dollar getting liquidated, sometime billions, meaning the trader gets rekt.

Traders love market volatility because when a market is volatile, it's a more lively market and gives traders more opportunities for trading. In boring market when price is stagnated without much volatility, traders nearly have no jobs to do. It's time for them to do other things and wait for a volatile market to enter it.

Traders who lack of ability to stay outside a boring market, usually will have higher risk by opening their trading positions that can be liquidated when market turns to more volatile. When market is unsafe, stay outside it and don't trade, is a better trading practice for traders.

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Quote from: Cryptohygenic on November 07, 2024, 01:00:45 PM

I love to know what does traders wishes for at the state of time to make profits in the market since Investors holds and wishes for the rise of crypto market so that their assets could grow on giving them profits?

Spot traders as well must be booking profits in the bull market but do you know, spot traders are known for regretting for missing out big rally time to time. After booking profits, if market comes down then spot trader will be proud of their timely exit of positions but in most cases and in bull market, they will end up regretting for not waiting more with trailing stoploss level.

Quote from: Hamza2424 on November 07, 2024, 05:06:20 PM

A trader and investor who does not use leverage and plays with plain assets in the spot market can also enjoy the bearish market by using stop-loss trailing and short-buying strategies.

I trade in sport market but I can enjoy the bearish market only if I have booked profits before market turns out. Trailing stoploss is helpful but will ensure only the safety of margin. Bearish market will create another profit making opportunity for same price levels which is completely not viable for investors.

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trader always seek volatility, price going up and down in fast manner is a good opportunity, pretty sure whenever BTC short squeeze the market in this bullrun hundred millions of dollar getting liquidated, sometime billions, meaning the trader gets rekt.

so i have opinion that trader won't really like current rise of market price

this is why in the bullrun some people have the opinion that just holding is the way to make maximum profit, trading on the other hand just gives unnecessary complexities just to get sidelined.

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Quote from: Text on November 08, 2024, 05:45:45 PM

Traders tend to work with shorter-term fluctuations, while investors are generally in for the long haul, aiming to profit from an asset’s overall growth over time. Traders, unlike investors, can benefit from both rising and falling markets by strategically positioning themselves with long and short trades, which adds a layer of complexity and risk.

Trading requires not only technical skills but also emotional discipline to handle the quick pace and constant decision-making. Investors, on the other hand, may not face this as intensely since they can afford to take a more hands-off approach, waiting for market cycles to play out.

Traders are exposed to the daily grind of the trading market. So they have tedious job to keep up with the market in order to earn profits. However, for investors especially long-term ones, they don't need to follow every move but they have certain period where they would want to cash out their investments.
As traders main goal is to earn, they are keen on applying the techniques or tricks acquired in order for them to acquire the profits that they desire. I believe, that's the usual mission of every trader, to earn as much as they can from their trading activities.

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Traders tend to work with shorter-term fluctuations, while investors are generally in for the long haul, aiming to profit from an asset’s overall growth over time. Traders, unlike investors, can benefit from both rising and falling markets by strategically positioning themselves with long and short trades, which adds a layer of complexity and risk.

Trading requires not only technical skills but also emotional discipline to handle the quick pace and constant decision-making. Investors, on the other hand, may not face this as intensely since they can afford to take a more hands-off approach, waiting for market cycles to play out.

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...Please I come in peace, I love to know what does traders wishes for at the state of time to make profits in the market since Investors holds and wishes for the rise of crypto market so that their assets could grow on giving them profits?

An investor who holds any cryptocurrency can make a profit only when the price has increased. Unlike an investor, a trader can make a profit on both bull and bear markets by opening a long and short position, respectively. But I should note that not everyone who considers himself a trader gets it.

I'm no doubt. Trading is just too technical and can be conspiring to emotional sentiments at an opened trade.

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Quote from: jcojci on November 08, 2024, 06:36:36 AM

What traders want is selling their coins at the highest price. But unfortunately, that will not always happen as the price still go up and down and makes them difficult to determine what will be the high price. But if they can make a target sell price, they can place their coins at the price they want so they will not be late to sell.

If you don't sell your coins, you will only see your asset grow in value but that can drop when the market is down. It is better you sell your coins at the high price you want so you can buy back the coins at a low price. Trader and investor is different so you need to understand that. Trader trying to make a profit by buy and sell but the investor hold their coins for a while and will sell their coins in a high price.

I think this is the wish of an investor not a trader, investor or simply spot traders are those that but the coins at there dips or any level and then wish for the market to pump. They benefit from the market only if the market pumps and the price goes up. Should there be a dip in the market their funds starts to drop also.

Whilst the traders as many regard them or simply future trades actually relies on both bearish market and bullish market. The traders here are enemies of less volatile or no volatile market as They make money only by the movement of the Market either dips or pumps its simply base on their trade setups. Trades can earn on a bearish market or dipping market by going short or selling while they earn by longing the Market on a bullish period. The trader can mostly go against their setup and that’s why you see traders getting liquidated even in bullish period that many thing is suppose to actually pump everyone’s money

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What traders want is selling their coins at the highest price. But unfortunately, that will not always happen as the price still go up and down and makes them difficult to determine what will be the high price. But if they can make a target sell price, they can place their coins at the price they want so they will not be late to sell.

If you don't sell your coins, you will only see your asset grow in value but that can drop when the market is down. It is better you sell your coins at the high price you want so you can buy back the coins at a low price. Trader and investor is different so you need to understand that. Trader trying to make a profit by buy and sell but the investor hold their coins for a while and will sell their coins in a high price.

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Quote from: Cryptohygenic on November 07, 2024, 01:00:45 PM

Please I come in peace, I love to know what does traders wishes for at the state of time to make profits in the market since Investors holds and wishes for the rise of crypto market so that their assets could grow on giving them profits?

long term investors rely in the increase of the price of the market because this is the only way profit can be made but in trading a trader can make its profit even when the price of the market is increasing or decreasing. in the bull season when the market is known for increase, there is a time a trader can enter the market and still make good profit, same thing in the bear market, a trader can also make his profit from the increase of price that takes place during the bear market. investors who have been investing when the price of the market was low are expected to make profit in the bull season when the price of the market gets increased.

a trader is expected to get understanding on how to make profit when when the market is increasing and also in the bear market, this is why trading is very risky because one must know when to enter the market, not to risk losing much money in trading.

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Quote from: shinratensei_ on November 07, 2024, 09:05:06 PM

there are different kind of trader, the one who swing trade and ride the train, always longing the dips and the one who tried to time the market.

the trader who tried to time the market, hoping for sudden dips usually the one that gets liquidated around this time.
so it really depends on the trader itself, if the trader is smart enough to figure out that following the trend is the best way and longing without shorting is the way, they would be happy to see the market going green.

Long all the way for me, for example - especially on this sentiment we are building slowly but surely Roll Eyes

The main thing is to adapt and ride the waves, as you said.

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...Please I come in peace, I love to know what does traders wishes for at the state of time to make profits in the market since Investors holds and wishes for the rise of crypto market so that their assets could grow on giving them profits?

An investor who holds any cryptocurrency can make a profit only when the price has increased. Unlike an investor, a trader can make a profit on both bull and bear markets by opening a long and short position, respectively. But I should note that not everyone who considers himself a trader gets it.

But have you noticed that during the bear season, the trading volume in the market is very low and the liquidity is very weak, which means that traders are not very active during the bear season. Meanwhile, during the bull season, liquidity and trading volume always remain high, which proves that not only investors but also traders are more active.

As what is happening when bitcoin hits new ATHs and the market heats up again, many analysis and trading signals are circulating on social media. So it can be said that the bull season is still easier to make profit even for traders.

I remember there was a thread asking if people prefer bull markets or bear markets, and most of the answers were that both are important. But if people answer honestly, I am sure everyone prefers bull season over bear season because it is obviously much easier to make profit.

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Quote from: Cryptohygenic on November 07, 2024, 01:00:45 PM

I love to know what does traders wishes for at the state of time to make profits in the market since Investors holds and wishes for the rise of crypto market so that their assets could grow on giving them profits?

Everyone wait for profit, and they don't intentionally wait for loss. Difference between investors and traders is, investors are more strong in their hands and ability to hold as well as have better knowledge on Bitcoin market cycle. Investors can have their plans to hold bitcoin in one cycle or more cycles but surely they have stronger hands than traders.

Traders in contrast have weaker hands and most traders don't care about Bitcoin market cycle and even don't understand about cycle too. Their plans are shorter than investor plans and traders are people who wait for price rise, wait for profit more than investors.

Investors can simply read news and get basic information about Bitcoin price, like once a day, once a week, but traders will mostly look at Bitcoin price chart every hour or every day.

Their endings are different too. Investors get profit, traders get losses.

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