Topic: IOTA Crowdsale - page 44. (Read 182701 times)

Would be not bad, in this case we would get a bigger Unclaimed Iotas Fund.

If you did a little research, you would see that CFB, mthcl, and iotatoken are all public people.  You can find their full names and countries of origin.  Even whitepaper reviewers like Kushti are public. The difference between Iota and the other coins you listed is that Iota team doesn't feel it's necessary to advertise their names as a way to increase crowd funding.

I wasn't, I was asking David who I figured has been tracking collections.

May be it will be unclaimed 

If you are asking me - I don't have these data, I'm tracking big addresses like 1LfCHYaqZcgoJfFc69aYZpg4NGVgpQQd2u.

@-Greed-
Could you define "public person(s)"?

You can make a research yourself with charts and hookers if you want so. I will give few examples of most successful projects:

• Mastercoin  (ran by public persons; transparent) -> huge ROI
• Ethereum (ran by public persons and escrowed) -> 20x ROI
• Factom (ran by public persons and escrowed; open and transparent) -> 200% ROI ATM
• etc

Unlike legit projects scams are not open and transparent because they have nothing to report as no work has been done.

I think theres a difference between visionary and genius.

Only a truly pathetic person would call something vaporware before launch. And Jinn? Yeah I bet everyone that made 5x their money on Jinn are sad. What coins do you prefer, oh wait.. Reicoin and Spreadcoin, both completely outed scamcoins. Good job showing everyone how retarded you are. Cute.

Amazing that you are such a pathetic loser that you keep whining and bitching. Sorry you were too slow to get any IOTA, maybe your Reicoin will make you rich (ha ha).

The "genius" concept is usually misunderstood and, in my opinion, on the wrong focus.

True geniuses can't be used, abused or manipulated by anyone, by simple definition. The problem here as I said is the misunderstanding of the concept.

The fact that a person has a super-special abitlity that others cannot do (innate talent + tons of work), don't make this person look like a genious. This person will have a ++++ knowledge in area X, but most probably he/she won't know almost nothing about the rest areas of the universe.

In my opinion, a genious don't know the details about area X, but it knows the deep message and the profits behind this knowledge. The genious knows the deep outstanding information about almost all areas, and is capable to relate them for a certain goal.

Take it like a chessboard. There are lots of pawns, bishops, horses, towers, the king, and the queen. Most of people will say the queen is the genious, because she can do movements that all other pieces can't do. Don't be confused, the queen is just another piece (high qualified, but a piece at the end). The true genious is the PLAYER. He knows what different pieces can do, and he coordinates them to achieve a goal (win the other genius).

So maybe this old principles you say is what makes one being a genious, and not the Full-HD knowledge about a tiny area.

Was Einstein the most intelligent scientific of his time? I bet my balls that he wasn't. He didn't discovered or explored anything, he just attached information already known by others, and made a theory where all this information had a sense.

Was he intelligent? For sure. Was he the most intelligent? No way. Was he a genious? OF COURSE. 

You read too much of fairy tales about the "genuises who change the world, and make crowd follow them". That is just hype created to make people feel they can succeed using only their brains/talent/diligence, so people feel good. I suppose this is mostly propagandized in US, to back up the "American dream" and its viability. The reality is different, unfortunately. Geniuses are used, abused and recycled by the ones who rule by just knowing some old principles, old like this world.

But that is on very disputable topic and another discussion, which is definitely off-topic here, so we could all stay at our own opinions

I do not agree. Genius in the financial field, and in the technical field and any other, not those who live in the old way "in caves". That is those, that have VISION and new ideas. This is exactly the crowd goes after them, copying them.

In my experience, just the opposite. I knew a few very good programmers who was freaked-out if they had to commenting code, if other they have not understood without explanation. In addition, they have programmed a disgusting GUI, focusing on functional and work willingly with only the command line. Beautiful wrapper does not mean the presence of professionalism. In life often just the opposite.
It often happens that the development of resources to spend a lot of nice wrapper to the detriment of functionality.

The actual generation is done locally.

Regarding those #1 and #2, as I said:

Kratkost' - sestra talanta

Thanks a lot, that is what I supposed. But something is still not clear to me (sorry for that ).

As I understand the actual generation is done locally by the generator tool, as it doesn't need connection to Internet during generation. Right?
So the only way the man in the middle could intervene, is by faking the page at the generator URL - maybe catching the traffic on ISP level, or by faking the DNS requests, or some other way. Is this correct?

If so, there are two points:
1. The man in the middle could be avoided simply by providing the generator at HTTPS URL, with a valid certificate. It will ensure the page cannot be faked, at least major browsers will warn the user.

2. If the generator is provided at simple HTTP link, and even if user disconnects from Internet during generation, I don't see how that could prevents the man in the middle attack... The middleman could copy your generator, fake the whole page (f.e. tweak on DNS servers) and use your generator on his faked page. His faked page will still work as the generation is offline and he uses exactly the same generator. The only modification he could do, is to save the entered Seed in a cookie, then send it to himself when Internet is available again.

Would appreciate if you could clarify this, though I agree its not that important. Just for my curiosity

Hehe, by the way the ones who go with the crowd and use already well prepared and tested technologies, have the biggest amount of money in this world
Geeks typically are not the richest people (except very few ones), and the richest ones have very basic computer / tech skills . So funding of the project could hugely benefit from simplicity of the process.

Disclaimer: Talking about rich tech-dummies, I am not talking about myself here . I am just a modest developer and systems architect

With howmany people do you think Google, Facebook, YouTube started?
It takes is couple (very talented) of people with vision and drive to create a new revolutionary ecosystem.
Iota is on the frontier of the cyberlandscape, possiblities are unlimited.

I also had no problem with the iota website and getting the iota password.

By the way, notice, all this steps with getting password intended for PIONEERS and EARLY ADOPTER, who believed devs and their ideas new technology and hardly for those who go with the crowd and use already well prepared and tested technologies.

This product in my opinion is also not for such as Greed, are trying to speculate now, miss the train, trying desperately crap this software. Because these trolls feel immense potential of this software. Desperately trying to somehow scare simpletons, buying as cheaply as possible, and then inflating the hype, they sell other simpletons as expensive as possible.

Speculation can bury this idea, disappointing users who bought this software as "the new Bitcoin". Good old Bitcoin started at the end of 2009, beginning of 2010. Iota started at the end of 2015, beginning of 2016.

Let's see how much she would need time to acceptance of the Industry.