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i know this is hard for some of you turds but dont be daft

theres no planning needed for direct shares - they just convert your data into a spreadsheet and\or collect more info. thats it

stop insulting people and acting like children

and now you wanna call Ken a genius? hilarious

Cryptocircus already stated that the allocation of resources required to implement and maintain direct shares is not something they wish to do. Just buy the shares back and cancel the IPO.

What about investors in Europe? Canceling the IPO will hurt everyone.
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He has that condition, to have buyers vow they will not allow US customers, to protect the users of this future exchange, which will have to some degree his name attached to it.

 It makes sense when you think about it. You want your code to be in good hands and survive if possible and for that to happen users and their assets have to be protected.

You can't kill code that is open source. The GPL or MIT license would guarantee it survives forever. You cannot go to prison for writing code.
Say someone buys his code and opens up a new exchange 1 week later and allows US customers. This new exchange gets into same legal troubles and is forced to shut down or block US customers, so US customers get screwed again and also does price of all securities listed there.
The only reason his exchange is shut down is because it's hosted in the USA. Why doesn't he just refuse to sell to any company in the USA? It's an unlicensed exchange which means it's just as illegal to run as before so nothing changes at all really. I don't see how a region block provides any protection. Of course whoever runs the exchange shouldn't solicit US customers but if they adopt KYC but are still unlicensed then what is the point?

Bitfunder shares still aren't considered real but they are trying to do this KYC type stuff?
It will mess up with IPOs, mess up badly with stock prices, destroy market confidence and so on. Last but not least you don't want to be associated such a mess when you could have prevented it.
Ultimately only a decentralized exchange will be immune to being shut down. Any governments police can raid any of these exchanges if they even have the hint that people used it for money laundering. Silk Road arrests could trigger a global crack down on all of these exchanges in an attempt to track tainted coins and it wouldn't have to be done under the regulatory laws but could be done under the criminal laws or even under the three letter agency anti-terror finance laws. In any case if they want to shut down unlicensed exchanges they will and no amount of blocking US customers will prevent it.

My guess? Because Silk Road was run by an American and Dread Pirate Roberts was an American the following investigations will probably be run by the FBI and DEA. But this doesn't mean that there aren't mutual legal assistance treaties and other mechanisms to allow local three letter agencies in every country to get involved. In that case the governments would be able to send national security letters, conduct anti-terrorist investigations, and then it does make sense to block US customers in order to avoid impeding on an ongoing investigation.

The problem is if that is all the result of the Silk Road investigation then something must be done technologically to allow law enforcement to do their investigations without disrupting the entire Bitcoin economy and having multiple sites shut down. There might be a very important investigation going on or several and the feds might not even care about btct or Bitfunder. It could have been that some bad guys happened to set up scams or use those exchanges to invest their drug money. That is a legitimate and real possibility which would explain all of this and fit in with the timing. If that is the case then moving to Havelock probably will not be a long term solution for US investors which is why I never recommended moving to Havelock for any other reason than to buy time until Havelock shuts down as well.

The conclusion to all this is we will need to make a choice as a community about what we want. Do we want anonymity in which case Bitcoin will probably never be able to have much growth, and in which case the price of coins will never be $20,000 a coin, but people will be able to use Bitcoins to buy drugs. Or do we want to have a Bitcoin which actually goes legitimate and which can be used as a currency, which can someday be $20,000 a coin or more, and which we can all build legitimate businesses around?

Due to money laundering laws and the real threat of terrorist financing we will not be able to have both. Developers are ultimately going to be made to pick one side or the other and there will either be a fork at some point or Bitcoin developers will choose one path or the other. At this point it seems gmaxwell and some other Bitcoin developers are choosing the path of anonymity. For that reason and as a result of that choice, the economic effects will be felt as the feds do everything in their power to discourage that.

I had a discussion with gmaxwell on the coinjoin thread. I made the case that the community is going to have to become more responsible and technologically regulate itself to avoid mass arrests. I'd rather deal with technological features like tainted coins with blacklists or KYC than mass arrests, shut downs, etc. Don't get me wrong there probably will be a coin which has anonymity, I just don't think that cryptocurrency will be the one to become the mainstream cryptocurrency. I don't think anonymity is necessary for privacy. I do think records should be kept either by the users themselves or on the blockchain. But I also don't think that corporations should know what books we buy or what we do with our money.

The issue of stolen coins, money laundering, coin taint, record keeping, these are all technological issues which can be solved in a way which could provide more privacy than Paypal and credit cards but not be completely anonymous. I have no clue how to strike the balance, and I know that currently the blockchain isn't anywhere near private enough, but I also know that it shouldn't be a complete black box of a blockchain where no one can determine what goes on because if some really bad event happens or if governments were to exploit this technology against us then we would want some way to be able to follow the money even if its not easy or cheap to do. Ultimately we are either all going to end up keeping records on our transactions in exchange for having true privacy and anonymity, or we will let the blockchain keep a public record of every transaction. If you see any other way let me know but I think we are at a fork in the road.


You sure do use a lot of words to say nothing at all.
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 If that is the case then moving to Havelock probably will not be a long term solution for US investors which is why I never recommended moving to Havelock for any other reason than to buy time until Havelock shuts down as well.

Buy time? What US investor in his right mind would buy stocks on only exchange left for US investors knowing he might as well kiss that investment goodbye in few months by loss of price per share, loss of dividend payments and so on due to an upcoming panic sale and lack of other migration options. You can't be serious.
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He has that condition, to have buyers vow they will not allow US customers, to protect the users of this future exchange, which will have to some degree his name attached to it.

 It makes sense when you think about it. You want your code to be in good hands and survive if possible and for that to happen users and their assets have to be protected.

You can't kill code that is open source. The GPL or MIT license would guarantee it survives forever. You cannot go to prison for writing code.
Say someone buys his code and opens up a new exchange 1 week later and allows US customers. This new exchange gets into same legal troubles and is forced to shut down or block US customers, so US customers get screwed again and also does price of all securities listed there.
The only reason his exchange is shut down is because it's hosted in the USA. Why doesn't he just refuse to sell to any company in the USA? It's an unlicensed exchange which means it's just as illegal to run as before so nothing changes at all really. I don't see how a region block provides any protection. Of course whoever runs the exchange shouldn't solicit US customers but if they adopt KYC but are still unlicensed then what is the point?

Bitfunder shares still aren't considered real but they are trying to do this KYC type stuff?
It will mess up with IPOs, mess up badly with stock prices, destroy market confidence and so on. Last but not least you don't want to be associated such a mess when you could have prevented it.
Ultimately only a decentralized exchange will be immune to being shut down. Any governments police can raid any of these exchanges if they even have the hint that people used it for money laundering. Silk Road arrests could trigger a global crack down on all of these exchanges in an attempt to track tainted coins and it wouldn't have to be done under the regulatory laws but could be done under the criminal laws or even under the three letter agency anti-terror finance laws. In any case if they want to shut down unlicensed exchanges they will and no amount of blocking US customers will prevent it.

My guess? Because Silk Road was run by an American and Dread Pirate Roberts was an American the following investigations will probably be run by the FBI and DEA. But this doesn't mean that there aren't mutual legal assistance treaties and other mechanisms to allow local three letter agencies in every country to get involved. In that case the governments would be able to send national security letters, conduct anti-terrorist investigations, and then it does make sense to block US customers in order to avoid impeding on an ongoing investigation.

The problem is if that is all the result of the Silk Road investigation then something must be done technologically to allow law enforcement to do their investigations without disrupting the entire Bitcoin economy and having multiple sites shut down. There might be a very important investigation going on or several and the feds might not even care about btct or Bitfunder. It could have been that some bad guys happened to set up scams or use those exchanges to invest their drug money. That is a legitimate and real possibility which would explain all of this and fit in with the timing. If that is the case then moving to Havelock probably will not be a long term solution for US investors which is why I never recommended moving to Havelock for any other reason than to buy time until Havelock shuts down as well.

The conclusion to all this is we will need to make a choice as a community about what we want. Do we want anonymity in which case Bitcoin will probably never be able to have much growth, and in which case the price of coins will never be $20,000 a coin, but people will be able to use Bitcoins to buy drugs. Or do we want to have a Bitcoin which actually goes legitimate and which can be used as a currency, which can someday be $20,000 a coin or more, and which we can all build legitimate businesses around?

Due to money laundering laws and the real threat of terrorist financing we will not be able to have both. Developers are ultimately going to be made to pick one side or the other and there will either be a fork at some point or Bitcoin developers will choose one path or the other. At this point it seems gmaxwell and some other Bitcoin developers are choosing the path of anonymity. For that reason and as a result of that choice, the economic effects will be felt as the feds do everything in their power to discourage that.

I had a discussion with gmaxwell on the coinjoin thread. I made the case that the community is going to have to become more responsible and technologically regulate itself to avoid mass arrests. I'd rather deal with technological features like tainted coins with blacklists or KYC than mass arrests, shut downs, etc. Don't get me wrong there probably will be a coin which has anonymity, I just don't think that cryptocurrency will be the one to become the mainstream cryptocurrency. I don't think anonymity is necessary for privacy. I do think records should be kept either by the users themselves or on the blockchain. But I also don't think that corporations should know what books we buy or what we do with our money.

The issue of stolen coins, money laundering, coin taint, record keeping, these are all technological issues which can be solved in a way which could provide more privacy than Paypal and credit cards but not be completely anonymous. I have no clue how to strike the balance, and I know that currently the blockchain isn't anywhere near private enough, but I also know that it shouldn't be a complete black box of a blockchain where no one can determine what goes on because if some really bad event happens or if governments were to exploit this technology against us then we would want some way to be able to follow the money even if its not easy or cheap to do. Ultimately we are either all going to end up keeping records on our transactions in exchange for having true privacy and anonymity, or we will let the blockchain keep a public record of every transaction. If you see any other way let me know but I think we are at a fork in the road.
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As of December 2, 2013, BitFunder will initiate a transfer from the BitFunder site to the respective issuer(s) of any remaining shares held by any users that BitFunder knows to be U.S. persons or who did not obtain "Verified" status by December 1, 2013, and will provide the issuer(s) with the public bitcoin address associated with the user account. After transfer, each user will need to work with the issuer(s) with respect to the future treatment of the shares.

Just putting it out there
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Was enjoying the page 53 to 55 conversation so kept quiet now
Good conversations now and then but since it is back to normal
We will need to wait on the viewpoint of Canada from Havelocks legal team which unfortunately was unable to provide much more info on Oct 3

The key difference is that USA and Canadian Policy to finance is DIFFERENT
Since it's a different jurisdiction a legal avenue that is not available for American Exchanges such as btct and bitfunder may exist here.
But for now in regards to US traders it probably will be the same so wait till November since that seems to be a unified closing date to see why Btct and Bitfunder are shutting their doors.

The info posted in Burnside's sale of BTCT code worries me a bit. It states the following:

Quote
"...any purchaser of the code will have to agree to block US citizens from any site utilizing the code."

Quote
If you are interested in the site code, please fill out the following and submit a bid via email to [email protected]:

    Name: (actual person's name)
    Company:
    Address: (street, city, province, postal code, country, etc)
    Phone: (w/ country prefix please)
    Email:

    I agree to block US citizens: YES / no

    Proposed use of the code:

    Best possible offer:  XX BTC or XX LTC

So even if buyer is from Brazil,South Africa or Canada he would still have to agree not to allow US investors.

I'd say Neobee should start planning for direct shares solution asap.

Does this make any reasonable sense? You can't get in trouble for selling code can you?
I don't understand why he doesn't GPL the code if he really wants to stick it to the government. The fact that he's doing this means he just wants to make money from some sort of auction.

This is fine because what should we expect? but it also highlights the primary weakness of a centralized exchange.


I think he has that condition, to have buyers vow they will not allow US customers, to protect the users of this future exchange, which will have to some degree his name attached to it.

 It makes sense when you think about it. You want your code to be in good hands and survive if possible and for that to happen users and their assets have to be protected.

Say someone buys his code and opens up a new exchange 1 week later and allows US customers. This new exchange gets into same legal troubles and is forced to shut down or block US customers, so US customers get screwed again and also does price of all securities listed there. It will mess up with IPOs, mess up badly with stock prices, destroy market confidence and so on. Last but not least you don't want to be associated such a mess when you could have prevented it.

So, as I was saying, it kinda` makes sense.
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Was enjoying the page 53 to 55 conversation so kept quiet now
Good conversations now and then but since it is back to normal
We will need to wait on the viewpoint of Canada from Havelocks legal team which unfortunately was unable to provide much more info on Oct 3

The key difference is that USA and Canadian Policy to finance is DIFFERENT
Since it's a different jurisdiction a legal avenue that is not available for American Exchanges such as btct and bitfunder may exist here.
But for now in regards to US traders it probably will be the same so wait till November since that seems to be a unified closing date to see why Btct and Bitfunder are shutting their doors.

The info posted in Burnside's sale of BTCT code worries me a bit. It states the following:

Quote
"...any purchaser of the code will have to agree to block US citizens from any site utilizing the code."

Quote
If you are interested in the site code, please fill out the following and submit a bid via email to [email protected]:

    Name: (actual person's name)
    Company:
    Address: (street, city, province, postal code, country, etc)
    Phone: (w/ country prefix please)
    Email:

    I agree to block US citizens: YES / no

    Proposed use of the code:

    Best possible offer:  XX BTC or XX LTC

So even if buyer is from Brazil,South Africa or Canada he would still have to agree not to allow US investors.

I'd say Neobee should start planning for direct shares solution asap.

Does this make any reasonable sense? You can't get in trouble for selling code can you?
I don't understand why he doesn't GPL the code if he really wants to stick it to the government. The fact that he's doing this means he just wants to make money from some sort of auction.

This is fine because what should we expect? but it also highlights the primary weakness of a centralized exchange.

We are very much concerned with being legal, we are investigating every avenue available to us, including the direct handling of shares, other existing platforms, speaking with our legal team (one that doesn't try and fit us into an existing regulatory box) in relation to our own regulated exchange. All the discussions and plans we made prior to these announcements by the platforms, are being reviewed because we do not want the same problems in 4 weeks time.

Whenever there are problems, there is always an opportunity, if the perfect solution is viable, then yes we will always pursue that.
Right now there is nothing more than talk of a decentralized securities exchange, we do not have the resources or time to develop such a project as we are working to strict deadlines for the launch of Neo & Bee.

NeoBee is very important. Investors will come back to NeoBee when they can do so. NeoBee probably should get in contact with the Data Authority http://info.datauthority.org/  and see what can be done politically but in this moment of time I don't think there is any solution other than to buy time by using Havelock until Havelock shuts down. If Havelock isn't on the same shutdown time scale as the American exchanges then time may be on the side of NeoBee investors.

A long term solution for US investors will involve either changing the laws or waiting for crowd funding legislation and trying to fit NeoBee into that matrix. If NeoBee does go to direct shares couldn't NeoBee somehow reserve the shares for people who purchase for Bitcoin and convert it to real shares at some point in the future when it's legally possible?

This would mean no dividends or anything like that, just reserved status until there is a legal way to claim the shares conforming with KYC and other laws. I'm not a lawyer though and I cannot think up a workable scheme. I can think up ideas like lotteries and other mechanisms, but each one probably has some arcane esoteric regulatory law discussing it.
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We are very much concerned with being legal, we are investigating every avenue available to us, including the direct handling of shares, other existing platforms, speaking with our legal team (one that doesn't try and fit us into an existing regulatory box) in relation to our own regulated exchange. All the discussions and plans we made prior to these announcements by the platforms, are being reviewed because we do not want the same problems in 4 weeks time.

Whenever there are problems, there is always an opportunity, if the perfect solution is viable, then yes we will always pursue that.
Right now there is nothing more than talk of a decentralized securities exchange, we do not have the resources or time to develop such a project as we are working to strict deadlines for the launch of Neo & Bee.
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)
I agree it doesn't hurt to be prepared
But as for the code havelock has its own so they don't need to buy the btct one

That said still observing the legal news
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=96118.60;topicseen

That and press
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--309274

Thing is US can come after you no matter where you are unless you're in China, Russia or North Korea or something. Just ask all those Switzerland banks and other major banks around the globe that refuse to take US customers for this very reason. http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/15/news/banks-americans-lockout/

So what I'm saying here is, Havelock is/will be in same boat as whoever buys Burnside's code.

Moving US shareholders to Havelock is just asking for trouble at this point giving all these developments. Burnside looked into all legalities most likely before deciding to put his code up for sale.

I am sort of certain that they will go with AML/KYC documentation instead of just blocking US users, having proof of trade seems like a very legitimate compromise for a virtual exchange but as it is purely speculative cannot say that for certain.
Precedent Canadianbitcoins also run by havelock

There are interesting legal considerations as well such as National Instrument 45-106 that involves exempt securities that may be worth looking at I asked havelock that question back in July still no clear opinion either way.

Or the case study of Emgateway which focuses on angel investors
http://www.emgateway.ca/

That said if we are looking at the US crowd-funding bill there was a clarification that was released 2 days ago in regards to crowd-funding in Canada
http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/business/story/1.1959091

So it does get interesting to see what legal rules will be applied to exchanges and that is why it remains so ambiguous up here.

Another link to the side
http://www.ncfacanada.org/securities-fcaa-asks-for-comments-regarding-the-proposed-saskatchewan-equity-crowdfunding-exemption/
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To be fair, they made no such statement.

actually, they did:

The reasoning behind using a platform and not direct handling of shares for ourselves is down to the man hours required to operate on such a basis, we are operating in the real world, we have multiple aspects of the business that need constant oversight and attention, for myself to assign someone for the task is achievable however it comes at a cost to the business, we as a business do not specialize in the trading of shares or have a platform capable of doing so (at the moment) so the best solution is to operate using the platforms available to us. Do things need to change surrounding these platforms? YES they do, whilst we are investigating the matter in great detail we cannot provide a solution overnight.

Ah, that. Well, I sort of think it's not hard to see the light at this point, and some people already proposed helping build such a protocol (don't know if they did to NeoBee directly though), so I'm hoping that it will be considered an available platform. It's a bit of a stretch I know, but I'm not too pessimistic.

Regarding, Havelock... It seems TAT and some others think it's doable to run such an exchange over the radar. While I don't see that happening in the West, there is apparently an exchange in Hong Kong. Regardless, experience dictates that these platforms almost always make abrupt decisions based on their own legal concerns (perfectly understandable). These will remain pretty much unpredictable until there is a public sanction from high above, which I don't think will happen for years, if ever. I don't know what the people who are rooting for a centralized solution know that we don't.

Thing is US can come after you no matter where you are unless you're in China, Russia or North Korea or something.

Well, these countries will squash you like a bug the second they think you're a nuisance, so the only realistic "central" option is operating anonymously, which is not one of the current options.

On the other side, an "upstream" solution so to speak does allow a listing on a centralized exchange later on. Since the "cost to business" of such a mini project is pretty much minuscule compared to the cost being suffered right now, I think the biggest concern should be legal, which I hope the NeoBee staff is concentrating on.
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I agree it doesn't hurt to be prepared
But as for the code havelock has its own so they don't need to buy the btct one

That said still observing the legal news
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=96118.60;topicseen

That and press
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--309274

Thing is US can come after you no matter where you are unless you're in China, Russia or North Korea or something. Just ask all those Switzerland banks and other major banks around the globe that refuse to take US customers for this very reason. http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/15/news/banks-americans-lockout/

So what I'm saying here is, Havelock is/will be in same boat as whoever buys Burnside's code.

Moving US shareholders to Havelock is just asking for trouble at this point giving all these developments. Burnside looked into all legalities most likely before deciding to put his code up for sale.

But that doesn't mean anything is going to happen in the next 6 months. It buys time to move to Havelock but no one knows how much.

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I agree it doesn't hurt to be prepared
But as for the code havelock has its own so they don't need to buy the btct one

That said still observing the legal news
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=96118.60;topicseen

That and press
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--309274

Thing is US can come after you no matter where you are unless you're in China, Russia or North Korea or something. Just ask all those Switzerland banks and other major banks around the globe that refuse to take US customers for this very reason. http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/15/news/banks-americans-lockout/

So what I'm saying here is, Havelock is/will be in same boat as whoever buys Burnside's code.

Moving US shareholders to Havelock is just asking for trouble at this point giving all these developments. Burnside looked into all legalities most likely before deciding to put his code up for sale.
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)
I agree it doesn't hurt to be prepared
But as for the code havelock has its own so they don't need to buy the btct one

That said still observing the legal news
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=96118.60;topicseen

That and press
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--309274
sr. member
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Was enjoying the page 53 to 55 conversation so kept quiet now
Good conversations now and then but since it is back to normal
We will need to wait on the viewpoint of Canada from Havelocks legal team which unfortunately was unable to provide much more info on Oct 3

The key difference is that USA and Canadian Policy to finance is DIFFERENT
Since it's a different jurisdiction a legal avenue that is not available for American Exchanges such as btct and bitfunder may exist here.
But for now in regards to US traders it probably will be the same so wait till November since that seems to be a unified closing date to see why Btct and Bitfunder are shutting their doors.

The info posted in Burnside's sale of BTCT code worries me a bit. It states the following:

Quote
"...any purchaser of the code will have to agree to block US citizens from any site utilizing the code."

Quote
If you are interested in the site code, please fill out the following and submit a bid via email to [email protected]:

    Name: (actual person's name)
    Company:
    Address: (street, city, province, postal code, country, etc)
    Phone: (w/ country prefix please)
    Email:

    I agree to block US citizens: YES / no

    Proposed use of the code:

    Best possible offer:  XX BTC or XX LTC

So even if buyer is from Brazil,South Africa or Canada he would still have to agree not to allow US investors.

I'd say Neobee should start planning for direct shares solution asap.
legendary
Activity: 1806
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)
Was enjoying the page 53 to 55 conversation so kept quiet
Good conversations now and then but since it is back to normal
We will need to wait on the viewpoint of Canada from Havelocks legal team which unfortunately was unable to provide much more info on Oct 3

The key difference is that USA and Canadian Policy to finance is DIFFERENT
Since it's a different jurisdiction a legal avenue that is not available for American Exchanges such as btct and bitfunder may exist here.
But for now in regards to US traders it probably will be the same so wait till November since that seems to be a unified closing date to see why Btct and Bitfunder are shutting their doors.
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i know this is hard for some of you turds but dont be daft

theres no planning needed for direct shares - they just convert your data into a spreadsheet and\or collect more info. thats it

stop insulting people and acting like children

and now you wanna call Ken a genius? hilarious

Cryptocircus already stated that the allocation of resources required to implement and maintain direct shares is not something they wish to do. Just buy the shares back and cancel the IPO.

buy back shares? get a clue

this isnt friggin walmart

you bought a stake and you bought the risks and rollercoaster rides that come with it

they should buy back your shares for original price when they are worth double next year

how bout that?

Your delusional outburst offers nothing to the predicament shareholders find themselves in. Please save your comments for the playground.

Sell your shares and buy it back again later. They shouldn't cancel the IPO.
I'll buy their shares later, it's not a big deal provided I have enough money later on to buy shares.
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I went through the steps one by one, to get my shares transferred from Bitfunder to Havelock:

>How to Transfer Shares:
>1. Make the subject of your email: NEOBEE

I did that.

>2. Push the amount of shares to the issuer account on Bitfunder: NeoBee

Did that.

>3. Send an e-mail to [email protected] from your account email address registered with Havelock, and also note the address and quantity of shares within the email conent.

OK, so in the email body I included my Bitfunder address and quantity of shares pushed.

>4. Do NOT send your request more than once, and do NOT include other requests, questions or comments.

OK, because of this instruction I did NOT include my Bitfunder username.


Please let me know if I got that right.
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at the same time, people in business should be more open to suggestions and focus on issues that are important to investors (like the ability to retain shares).

the bottom line is that if you are going to do an IPO of this size, you should certainly have back up systems in case your virtual stock exchanges close.

pushing investors to another exchange that will likely close soon is not a solution and  should not be considered as such.  We eagerly await a real solution to the handling of shares.  BTCT.co announced the closure of the exchange a few weeks ago, so there has been plenty of time to get the ducks in a row (that really should have been planned out before IPO).

What could possibly be a higher priority at this point than to insure that investor shares and funds will be protected against exchange closures?

I absolutely see what you're saying. It has merit, to be sure.

The thing about this is that we need people involved that are good at problem mitigation. As the adage goes, "A stitch in time, saves nine", but that's only applicable if we know the issue/problem beforehand. You can surely make the argument that they should've seen the problem prior. I'm not going to say that's wrong, although I really didn't expect to see something of this magnitude so quickly. My guess is they didn't either.

I think the need for colored coins or direct shares is pretty apparent to most operators at this point. I don't think that was the case prior. Keep in mind this stuff isn't going to happen overnight and there is going to be a period of discomfort.
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I think everyone needs to realize that when starting a business, each member is usually doing the work of many. The ideas of perfect foresight and endless resources are fantasies.

at the same time, people in business should be more open to suggestions and focus on issues that are important to investors (like the ability to retain shares).

the bottom line is that if you are going to do an IPO of this size, you should certainly have back up systems in case your virtual stock exchanges close.

pushing investors to another exchange that will likely close soon is not a solution and  should not be considered as such.  We eagerly await a real solution to the handling of shares.  BTCT.co announced the closure of the exchange a few weeks ago, so there has been plenty of time to get the ducks in a row (that really should have been planned out before IPO).

What could possibly be a higher priority at this point than to insure that investor shares and funds will be protected against exchange closures?
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