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Topic: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings - page 191. (Read 658701 times)

legendary
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Touchdown
I got a feeling that this will turn out into a mess similar to the Labcoin IPO.
People were putting bids 30% higher than the IPO price just to make sure they get in. And that was happening before 10% IPO price bids were filled.

The fact people do that doesn't ensure a Labcoin-esque fiasco. That mess is a result of Labcoin's continued incompetence, something we haven't seen a shred of from N&B.
Huh Not sure why people refer to the Labcoin IPO as a fiasco. Yes, they underestimated demand, but when this became apparent they placed the shares as fairly as possible (at the IPO price!). Everyone who placed a bid got shares (according to the amount of BTC they bid). I got fewer shares than I wanted but I still think it was fair given the circumstances.

This is worse IMO: it's an auction with a deadline of the IPO date and a minimum starting bid of .003. It should at least be advertised as such.

What if there is a rush of very late, very large bids on BTC-TC? Does this mean e.g. Havelock could potentially miss out on shares altogether? A bit of a pain for potential investors to have to monitor all three exchanges looking for something close to the advertised IPO price.

This looks messy.
legendary
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Reality is stranger than fiction
Bids already at 0.003010 in BTCT??

 Shocked
N_S
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So when scalping the IPO what will the extra income be used for? Founders summer home, college educations? What a shady way to screw the shareholders.

Well, I was waiting to see how long it'd be until we saw talk like this. After all, it's only a small mouse movement away from the Labcoin thread...
legendary
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Aaaandddd now there's a bid at .003001 on BTCT, so your IPO price is officially above .003 on two of the exchanges, and it's only going to get worse until the IPO launches. You should either cap it at .003 or change the wording of your IPO to reflect the fact that you are not, in fact, offering the price at .003, you're offering it to the highest bidders.

I'm interested to hear a response to this.

There is no new information needed. It is simply the method chosen to make this work, all things considered.

Cash grab. All things considered.

Exactly.

 It could operate like an actual IPO, there isn't really a reason it shouldn't (or they haven't made that reason known). But they make more money, faster this way. It's a little dishonest, given the wording of the offer, but what can you do? Ultimately they don't care about being fair or care about the people who are willing to risk money in order to see the company succeed, they just care about the money those people have. And they have every right to be that way.

So when scalping the IPO what will the extra income be used for? Founders summer home, college educations? What a shady way to screw the shareholders.
hero member
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Aaaandddd now there's a bid at .003001 on BTCT, so your IPO price is officially above .003 on two of the exchanges, and it's only going to get worse until the IPO launches. You should either cap it at .003 or change the wording of your IPO to reflect the fact that you are not, in fact, offering the price at .003, you're offering it to the highest bidders.

I'm interested to hear a response to this.

There is no new information needed. It is simply the method chosen to make this work, all things considered.

Cash grab. All things considered.

I think it will be interested to see how much the price of XBOND rises above 0.0012 as people buy it instead in order to get a guaranteed spot in at 0.0025.
member
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Aaaandddd now there's a bid at .003001 on BTCT, so your IPO price is officially above .003 on two of the exchanges, and it's only going to get worse until the IPO launches. You should either cap it at .003 or change the wording of your IPO to reflect the fact that you are not, in fact, offering the price at .003, you're offering it to the highest bidders.

I'm interested to hear a response to this.

There is no new information needed. It is simply the method chosen to make this work, all things considered.

Cash grab. All things considered.

Exactly.

 It could operate like an actual IPO, there isn't really a reason it shouldn't (or they haven't made that reason known). But they make more money, faster this way. It's a little dishonest, given the wording of the offer, but what can you do? Ultimately they don't care about being fair or care about the people who are willing to risk money in order to see the company succeed, they just care about the money those people have. And they have every right to be that way.

I'm still buying in, "all things considered", I'm just a little disappointed in these fellows.
hero member
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Is there a limit to how many shares a single person can buy either at the IPO or pre-IPO with xbond exchanges?

No, share limits are an impossible thing to enforce, in practice.
hero member
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Is there a limit to how many shares a single person can buy either at the IPO or pre-IPO with xbond exchanges?
legendary
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Aaaandddd now there's a bid at .003001 on BTCT, so your IPO price is officially above .003 on two of the exchanges, and it's only going to get worse until the IPO launches. You should either cap it at .003 or change the wording of your IPO to reflect the fact that you are not, in fact, offering the price at .003, you're offering it to the highest bidders.

I'm interested to hear a response to this.

There is no new information needed. It is simply the method chosen to make this work, all things considered.

Cash grab. All things considered.
hero member
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Aaaandddd now there's a bid at .003001 on BTCT, so your IPO price is officially above .003 on two of the exchanges, and it's only going to get worse until the IPO launches. You should either cap it at .003 or change the wording of your IPO to reflect the fact that you are not, in fact, offering the price at .003, you're offering it to the highest bidders.

I'm interested to hear a response to this.

There is no new information needed. It is simply the method chosen to make this work, all things considered.
N_S
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Aaaandddd now there's a bid at .003001 on BTCT, so your IPO price is officially above .003 on two of the exchanges, and it's only going to get worse until the IPO launches. You should either cap it at .003 or change the wording of your IPO to reflect the fact that you are not, in fact, offering the price at .003, you're offering it to the highest bidders.

I'm interested to hear a response to this.
member
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Aaaandddd now there's a bid at .003001 on BTCT, so your IPO price is officially above .003 on two of the exchanges, and it's only going to get worse until the IPO launches. You should either cap it at .003 or change the wording of your IPO to reflect the fact that you are not, in fact, offering the price at .003, you're offering it to the highest bidders.

Edit: Now another bid above the other one, for .301
newbie
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I got a feeling that this will turn out into a mess similar to the Labcoin IPO.
People were putting bids 30% higher than the IPO price just to make sure they get in. And that was happening before 10% IPO price bids were filled.

There should be a way to cap the bids at 0.003 and then sell them on a first come, first served basis.  After they are all sold out then you can exchange them freely (and bid higher).

Or, not allow bids until the shares are listed, that way no one would bid more than 0.003 until the IPVO is sold out (because they would just match the ask of 0.003).  I know the bids help with understanding demand for each exchange, but BitCsByBit is right, this can turn into a bit of a mess.
N_S
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I am confused as to how to purchase pre-IPVO shares. I have to purchase XBONDs on Havelock?

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XBOND Exchangable Offering
Through partnership with LMB Holdings, TAT Investments has negotiated that the next round of shares be made exclusively to the holders of XBOND as a Pre-IPVO Offering. This offering will be made available for the 72 hours preceding the official IPVO (date to be determined). Any unsold shares from this round will be made available to existing private shareholders.

Pre-IPVO Redemption:
Each XBOND unit may exchanged at the full face value, 0.001 bitcoins each, toward the purchase of shares of the underlying asset as released on BitFunder. XBOND holders will have first access to 500,000 shares at the price of 0.0025 bitcoins each. Shares will be allocated on a first come, first served basis according to the instructions below.

Pre-IPVO Redemption Rules & Instructions:
To instigate a redemption exchange for Pre-IPVO this offering, simply transfer your bonds to the the XBOND issuer account within HavelockInvestments.com, Also, please send a corresponding email to [email protected] confirming your desired Pre-IPVO purchase quantity desired, and your account name on the destination exchange.
- Pre-IPVO exchanges will be fulfilled in the order that the full transfer is received. If the Pre-IPVO-eligible share inventory is depleted, any remaining XBOND units will be pushed back to their owner. In this event, dividends earned in the interim will be returned with the XBOND units.
- Pre-IPVO purchases must be paid in full by redeeming XBOND units, and must be an EVEN NUMBER of shares. Bitcoins cannot be used to make up any differences.
- Once a share exchange request is received it is binding.
- Your order may be partially filled if the eligible inventory has been depleted.
- Pre-IPVO shares will provided 3 days after the IPVO opens on BitFunder.
member
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I got a feeling that this will turn out into a mess similar to the Labcoin IPO.
People were putting bids 30% higher than the IPO price just to make sure they get in. And that was happening before 10% IPO price bids were filled.

Seriously, it's kind of BS and just asking for trouble in a free market like Bitcoin securities. I get why TAT is doing it, because it incentivizes people to lock in shares pre-IPVO through X-BOND, i.e., guarantees more profits for his own company. I would probably do the same if I was in his shoes, since he is a rationally self-interested person. But Either your IPO is the price you say it is or it isn't. This is not an IPO at .003, this is an auction style IPO, the highest bidders get the shares. By honoring higher prices first that is exactly what they are making this, there is no two-ways about it.
sr. member
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I am confused as to how to purchase pre-IPVO shares. I have to purchase XBONDs on Havelock?
N_S
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Edit. Sorry N_S was faster Wink

Your points were spot on as well  Smiley
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I got a feeling that this will turn out into a mess similar to the Labcoin IPO.
People were putting bids 30% higher than the IPO price just to make sure they get in. And that was happening before 10% IPO price bids were filled.

Why would that make a mess of things?
Bidding over "official" IPO price will benefit NEOBEE and not the speculators. That's how it should be IMO

The way this IPO is organized is nothing like the Labcoin IPO at all.

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Edit. Sorry N_S was faster Wink
N_S
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I got a feeling that this will turn out into a mess similar to the Labcoin IPO.
People were putting bids 30% higher than the IPO price just to make sure they get in. And that was happening before 10% IPO price bids were filled.

The fact people do that doesn't ensure a Labcoin-esque fiasco. That mess is a result of Labcoin's continued incompetence, something we haven't seen a shred of from N&B.
sr. member
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I got a feeling that this will turn out into a mess similar to the Labcoin IPO.
People were putting bids 30% higher than the IPO price just to make sure they get in. And that was happening before 10% IPO price bids were filled.
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