Topic: iranian governement and cyber police thinks that i am thief! (Read 280 times)

if the court has laws regarding trading Cryptocurrencies they will apply those laws if they do not have they will look at what kind of violation or crime have committed based on their existing laws, there are countries that do not have laws on trading on cryptocurrency and they will only apply what's on their laws and constitutions that is why so many hackers escaped conviction because of lack of laws about Cryptocurrency trading.

In fact, there are not yet any laws in my country that regulate bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, I think most countries do not have this yet, but what caught my eye in the story was why are you required to pay 2 Bitcoin? If you say that the stolen amount is only 0.09 BTC and the case is a year old, this means that the price of Bitcoin a year ago was about  20,000$ while now it is equal to about  57,000$ !!!
I don't know why you are being asked to return 2 Bitcoins? Is that too much for the stolen amount? Or I didn’t fully understand the story !!!

Well, how about you let them know how you got the bitcoins by going to the police station and making a report? Like you have said here , you received the bitcoins from your friend’s girlfriend, so why don’t you make it clear to them and they can free you?

By the way, is bitcoin legal in your country? Because I can’t go to the police in my country and make such report, if I do, then I will be having a serious problem to face with the government. So, I’m still wondering what could have caused you to make such a report, do you make use of a centralized exchange wallet? If you were using a decentralized wallet, you wouldn’t have that problem.

If I understand correctly, the first trial has already ended and not in favor of this person. So, in any case, the question is how to appeal this decision and not repeat the mistakes of the first trial. The bottom line is that if he has already tried to make calculations of transactions and give his testimony, they did not believe him. Therefore, another way must be found. In addition, the new court will be led by a new judge, do not forget that the human factor is very important, especially in such an industry. + Cryptocurrency cases are not that common yet and it is very important to win a second trial to clear your name.

The best thing you can do if you don't want any kind of criminal prosecution is you need to prove that you have bought the cryptocurrencies you have received in good faith in which you will need to return the "stolen" cryptocurrencies to its rightful owner. I don't know how your law works in Iran but stolen goods that have been bought unknowingly has still the right to be returned to the original owner. For me you really don't need to dive in deeper about crypto laws as this is a matter about stolen goods/property which can still be counted in cryptocurrencies.

I have some few questions.

Who's that somebody that do pass up that 0.09 Bitcoin after you had paid some cash? You can trace him up.

I dont believe that in all transactions that do happen in the chain.Its just impossible that the said thief is the one you had made out some transactions.
Coincidence? No. Odds are near to impossible.



Each country does have its own set of laws when it comes to cryptocurrency.There are places which might be too strict and there are places which are still
sitting on the neutral side or even unto the positive side.

This would be the best advice in my opinion, but my advice to OP is that you have to follow what your lawyer says, no matter how feasible the advice is on the Internet, always take it with a grain of salt, these advice aren't legal advice.

If the issue has moved to the legal plane and a court decision has already been made, the first thing you need to do is file an appeal. Study the court's decision and ruling carefully. See what arguments they took into account and if they missed anything. If you manage to initiate the process again, you should contact another lawyer who, in turn, should get good advice on the technical part of the process from a cryptocurrency expert. It is also worth attracting technical support for the wallet in question. 2 bitcoins is not a small amount - fight for your truth!

Who is the somebody you bought bitcoins from and found that the same address took the bitcoins from your GF?

If it is from peer to peer platform then you can ask help from them to reveal the identity of the user, and the other choice is you paid cash right so you have the bank details means you can provide it as evidence and find the real person who scammed or hacked money from you.

Anyway the laws are not same in this world which varies from country to country.

I find it confusing but have you provided all the necessary details including all of your transaction details on that wallet and to the exchange that you've said.

Those details will play vital role to your case to prove that you are innocent/guilty. Including those transactions you did in fiat if there's a record. You can also have a counter argument to the manager, how did he know that you contacted the thief and you two are associated? is that document provided includes you and the thief to have a recorded conversation?

your case is unique, maybe every country has its own laws to protect crypto / Bitcoin users.

This is the first time I have seen and heard that a lost / stolen Bitcoin case can be brought to court in iran.

If I look at the case of losing Bitcoin that your boyfriend experienced, especially:
• You must understand the laws that exist in your country / Iran regarding digital / crypto currencies.
• do you know the real person who sells Bitcoin for you / your girlfriend.
• You must know crypto / Bitcoin transactions, of course with the internet, so you have to prove to the court the transactions you are doing, be it real or online.

Conclusion: If the plaintiff and the defendant attend court proceedings, maybe all transactions can be shown between the two parties, there is clearly the Bitcoin transaction that you bought and the one that was stolen.

However, this is a unique case to be solved in court, because Bitcoin is not traded in real terms, everything is done online / internet, so it's a bit difficult to reveal the identity of the thief or the buyer, unless: you know each other, real.

So: I am curious about the case you are experiencing, before you file a lawsuit in court, of course you have to prepare documents related to your lost Bitcoin, that's the condition of a lawsuit in court, Of course, the judge will study everything you give to trial, so how can the court accuse you otherwise of being a thief, do you want to fool us here by making up your ridiculous trial.

So, how can he prove that those transactions are not just transactions between his own wallets, 20kevin20 already mentioned this, there is no way to prove it unless you manage to link somehow the transactions to another real-life person. And here things get really weird and confusing.



Strictly technical, no! There is no way to prove that address or wallet is not yours.
But unless the courts in Iran are in the reverso world, before being found guilty they are the ones that must prove those belong to you!
So it's more a case of laws and proofs against you, find a lawyer and challenge the proofs if you know you haven't done anything like that.


LE:
Oh crap, how do you always end in situations like this?
please help me about bitcoin atm! SCAM or No
Is the current situation related to what happened 1 year and 4 months ago?

What surprising is how the hell the exchange manager knows that you told the thief to deposit 2 BTC and then cashed out and later you paid cash to the thief?  There is something wrong here, or am I missing something?  I think the exchange manager should be investigated thoroughly in this case, worst he can be that thief that stole your friends BTC.

Wow, this sounds like a very weird case. You were basically a victim in this case, and now you're treated as if you did something bad. I don't know what's the legislation regarding Bitcoin is Iran, but I'm guessing that it's not the issue currently because you're charged with stealing the coins, not with using something illegal. I think you just need a good lawyer and to proceed to the Court of Appeal or something like that.
In my country the evidence would likely be taken into account if the case is presented like being a victim of cybercrime.

Things like this could get complicated if it's done on third-party wallet, rather than wallet/node fully controlled by you. If the transactions were purely p2p on a wallet you controlled, it will be pretty easy to solve especially due to the fact that the transaction history are immutable and connected to your wallet.
I'm not sure how realible third-party wallet would be in solving cases like this.

This ain't hard, just show them the transactions you've made via Blockchain and your wallet history that you are not the thief but just a victim. However, it may be hard to convince them since authorities are not familiar about how cryptocurrency works, and paying that 2 Bitcoin in cash is insane especially if the thief deposited it on an exchange to set you up (if it is intentional), I'm only confused about all of this.

I mean why spend 1 year on that case if it can be proven instantly with all that transaction history, right?

this is the first time of hearing this, i think once you are verified on the exchange then it makes it easy to track you. i dont think there is a way to prove innocence from this.  this really looks like a planned work. these are majorly parts of the detriments of centralized platforms which many has decided not to trade on it for once.           

How can they prove this? The girl could have sent it by herself.

What are the odds of you by coincidence buying coins from a complete stranger, who also happens to have just robbed your friend?

If I deposit Bitcoin to an exchange, I don't call the manager to tell him why I'm making that deposit. Which exchange is this, and why would a customer inform the manager before making a deposit? In other words: how does the manager "know" what you told the thief?

This is somewhat vague to me. The thief withdraw the girl's bitcoin from the same wallet that you are using? If this is true, the police and the court rely on that matter alone. Whatever side you will see it, it will just reflect to your wallet same with the thief's btc address. That is why they are obliging you to just pay two bitcoins to the girl to compensate it because the thief used the same account to transfer bitcoin with the account you have been used to received that .09 bitcoin.

And there is a strong testimony of the exchange manager. If its not true, why did he come up with a lie? What benefit will it give to him if he will not tell the truth?

I don't understand how you could see anything on blockchain.com explorer that specific bitcoin is stolen or blacklisted, but please tell us what wallet you exactly used for holding your bitcoins?
Not sure if crypto exchanges are banned in Iran or not, but if you used any of them and sent them your kyc documentation, than they can connect that with your wallet address.
Strange thing in this case is the fact that you reported this issue so I don't see how they can charge for anything.

What exchange exactly are you talking about in this case?