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Topic: Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province - page 2. (Read 6681 times)

legendary
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Again , false statement.
The biggest oil field is Rumaila field followed by Majnoon , both in southern Iraq.

OK. I was wrong. The Kirkuk field is the second largest, in terms of daily oil production. Majnoon is a very small field, in terms of daily production (around 200,000 barrels / day).

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You said fields. Stick to the fields Smiley

They have taken the biggest oil field as well. The biggest Iraqi oil field is located to the north-west of Kirkuk. It was taken by the ISIS a week ago. Anyway, without the oil pipeline, how can they transport the oil? There are no rail-links.

Again , false statement.
The biggest oil field is Rumaila field followed by Majnoon , both in southern Iraq.
legendary
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You said fields. Stick to the fields Smiley

They have taken the biggest oil field as well. The biggest Iraqi oil field is located to the north-west of Kirkuk. It was taken by the ISIS a week ago. Anyway, without the oil pipeline, how can they transport the oil? There are no rail-links.
sr. member
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Kurdish Army Woman Peshmergas

Not only are most of them hot but they are badass to the core.


http://www.vice.com/read/meet-the-kurdish-female-freedom-fighters-of-syria
sr. member
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Yes. Which is exactly the problem caused by this "hearts and minds" nonsense.
Toss out Maliki, put in a Kurdish strongman who aligns his country with the US, and encourage him to start butchering Sunni Arabs who resist. Saddam could have EASILY put this nonsense down with a bit of well placed brutality. I mean, look at the Anfal campaign to see how to properly do counter-insurgency in the Muslim world. People like ISIS don't understand anything except brute force, which is exactly why they need iron fisted dictators like Bashar Assad or Saddam Hussein to keep them in line.
I agree. Nobody wants to f.... with the Kurds, and they will fuck with anyone. It may be hard to accomplish anything with them because we fucked them under George Bush 1's incursion into Iraq, and instead of getting help from the US, they got gassed by Saddam.
For some reason, I have always had a fascination with Kurds. They are awesome, in my opinion.
Maybe this is why:
When I was a kid (age 14), I played Metal Gear Solid and that was my first introduction to Kurds. Sniper Wolf from Metal Gear Solid is a Kurd. In fact, Metal Gear Solid was one of my chief influences for joining the U.S. Military. After I finished my U.S. Army service, including a deployment to Kuwait, I went back to the University of Colorado at Denver and finished my Political Science Degree. I spent some free time during college studying Kurds and found them to be even more interesting than what Sniper Wolf alone in Metal Gear Solid could be.
Kurds don't play games. They don't take kindly to radical Muslims, either. Muslims tend to scatter when word is the Kurds are coming.
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Largest Refinery not largest oil fields Smiley.
The fields are still safe... for now.

Check this map:



Compare it with the territory currently under the control of ISIS. You can see that all the three major pipelines (those to Baghdad, Basra and Turkey), goes through the ISIS controlled territory.

And now we are talking about pipelines?


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OK... now we have confirmation that ISIS has indeed captured the largest Iraqi oil field. Prepare for oil prices @ $160 per barrel.

You said fields. Stick to the fields Smiley
legendary
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Largest Refinery not largest oil fields Smiley.
The fields are still safe... for now.

Check this map:



Compare it with the territory currently under the control of ISIS. You can see that all the three major pipelines (those to Baghdad, Basra and Turkey), goes through the ISIS controlled territory.
hero member
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in defi we trust
OK... now we have confirmation that ISIS has indeed captured the largest Iraqi oil field. Prepare for oil prices @ $160 per barrel.  Grin

Witness claims ISIS flag flies over key Iraq refinery, Baghdad says soldiers still hold it

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/06/19/witness-claims-isis-flag-flies-over-key-iraq-refinery-baghdad-says-soldiers/



Largest Refinery not largest oil fields Smiley.
The fields are still safe... for now.


http://www.vox.com/2014/6/18/5821638/how-baiji-affected-oil-prices
legendary
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OK... now we have confirmation that ISIS has indeed captured the largest Iraqi oil field. Prepare for oil prices @ $160 per barrel.  Grin

Witness claims ISIS flag flies over key Iraq refinery, Baghdad says soldiers still hold it

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/06/19/witness-claims-isis-flag-flies-over-key-iraq-refinery-baghdad-says-soldiers/

sr. member
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Yes. Which is exactly the problem caused by this "hearts and minds" nonsense.
Toss out Maliki, put in a Kurdish strongman who aligns his country with the US, and encourage him to start butchering Sunni Arabs who resist. Saddam could have EASILY put this nonsense down with a bit of well placed brutality. I mean, look at the Anfal campaign to see how to properly do counter-insurgency in the Muslim world. People like ISIS don't understand anything except brute force, which is exactly why they need iron fisted dictators like Bashar Assad or Saddam Hussein to keep them in line.
I agree. Nobody wants to f.... with the Kurds, and they will fuck with anyone. It may be hard to accomplish anything with them because we fucked them under George Bush 1's incursion into Iraq, and instead of getting help from the US, they got gassed by Saddam.
For some reason, I have always had a fascination with Kurds. They are awesome, in my opinion.
Maybe this is why:
When I was a kid (age 14), I played Metal Gear Solid and that was my first introduction to Kurds. Sniper Wolf from Metal Gear Solid is a Kurd. In fact, Metal Gear Solid was one of my chief influences for joining the U.S. Military. After I finished my U.S. Army service, including a deployment to Kuwait, I went back to the University of Colorado at Denver and finished my Political Science Degree. I spent some free time during college studying Kurds and found them to be even more interesting than what Sniper Wolf alone in Metal Gear Solid could be.
sr. member
Activity: 448
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Yes. Which is exactly the problem caused by this "hearts and minds" nonsense.
Toss out Maliki, put in a Kurdish strongman who aligns his country with the US, and encourage him to start butchering Sunni Arabs who resist. Saddam could have EASILY put this nonsense down with a bit of well placed brutality. I mean, look at the Anfal campaign to see how to properly do counter-insurgency in the Muslim world. People like ISIS don't understand anything except brute force, which is exactly why they need iron fisted dictators like Bashar Assad or Saddam Hussein to keep them in line.
I agree. Nobody wants to f.... with the Kurds, and they will fuck with anyone. It may be hard to accomplish anything with them because we fucked them under George Bush 1's incursion into Iraq, and instead of getting help from the US, they got gassed by Saddam.
legendary
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Here is the status as of now. See how close they are to Baghdad. Only 20 or 30 km away from the capital.  Angry

sr. member
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Yes. Which is exactly the problem caused by this "hearts and minds" nonsense.
Toss out Maliki, put in a Kurdish strongman who aligns his country with the US, and encourage him to start butchering Sunni Arabs who resist. Saddam could have EASILY put this nonsense down with a bit of well placed brutality. I mean, look at the Anfal campaign to see how to properly do counter-insurgency in the Muslim world. People like ISIS don't understand anything except brute force, which is exactly why they need iron fisted dictators like Bashar Assad or Saddam Hussein to keep them in line.
legendary
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Ethnic cleansing occurring in ISIS controlled territory in Northern Iraq. Christians are being butchered in hundreds.

Iraqi Christians flee homes amid militant push

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-2659021/Iraqi-Christians-flee-homes-amid-militant-push.html
sr. member
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ISIS has captured U.S. made Humvees, Iraqi tanks, missiles, rifles, helicopters, airplanes, and 400 million dollars.
sr. member
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Didn't work out too well for us in Vietnam, nor did it work out for the French in Algeria and Chad; are you really naive enough to think that it would work out that way in Afghanistan if we just tried it one more time?
The French were fine with doing brutality on a small scale. It's just that when they had to execute it on a wider scale, they backed down rather than keep up with a campaign of violence. The US didn't really use reprisal tactics in Vietnam.
I was thinking more like Russia in Chechnya, the Bosnian Serbs in Srebrenica, or Genghis Khan in Afghanistan.
All very successful reprisal and violence-based strategies.
This rather ignores history. The brutality completely backfired on them and mobilized large resistance forces against them that they wouldn't otherwise have to deal with. there is a reason why the military tends to think such ideas such as yours are terrible ones.
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I was thinking more like Russia in Chechnya, the Bosnian Serbs in Srebrenica, or Genghis Khan in Afghanistan.
Oh, so Chechnya and Dagestan are pillars of stability now yeah? if that is your ideal outcome, then your goals are pretty low.
Actually, brutality-based, enemy-centric counter-insurgency is pretty much the most effective way of dealing with resistance forces. Indeed, the Russian state has been far more successful in counterinsurgency campaigns than most of the West. Aside from Afghanistan and the First Chechen War, there hasn't been a single example of an insurgent campaign successfully defeating the Soviet or Russian military.

(See here: http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/zhu...r_PREPRINT.pdf)

Even looking at Western history, the successful counterinsurgency campaigns of the 20th century tended to be nasty and brutal. The British used mustard gas on Iraqi tribesmen. They also relocated Malay peasants to prison villages. They used carpet bombing on Somali towns. Hardly a hearts and minds strategy, is it?

The real reason Western military leaders have low regard for reprisal tactics and collective punishment has absolutely nothing to do with its effectiveness. It's simply not politically possible for Western democracies to use massive firepower on civilian targets (like Grozny) or use directed violence against the population. Any reasonable interpretation of history can point to brutal reprisal campaigns like Germany's destruction of Lidice or massive collective punishment like Stalin's deportation of the Chechens to be the ultimate in counter-insurgency, it's just not something Americans are willing to stomach.

As for Chechnya and Dagestan. The Russian state has effective control of the region. That is far more than can be said about Afghanistan.
legendary
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Oh, so Chechnya and Dagestan are pillars of stability now yeah? if that is your ideal outcome, then your goals are pretty low.

Chechnya and Daghestan are actually very peaceful now. And the insurgency has been crushed.

This was Groznyy in 2000:



And this is Groznyy now:

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With the unquenchable thirst for blood that "modern" Muslims have, you can't really compare them to any modern opponent to the civilized world.
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Didn't work out too well for us in Vietnam, nor did it work out for the French in Algeria and Chad; are you really naive enough to think that it would work out that way in Afghanistan if we just tried it one more time?
The French were fine with doing brutality on a small scale. It's just that when they had to execute it on a wider scale, they backed down rather than keep up with a campaign of violence. The US didn't really use reprisal tactics in Vietnam.
I was thinking more like Russia in Chechnya, the Bosnian Serbs in Srebrenica, or Genghis Khan in Afghanistan.
All very successful reprisal and violence-based strategies.
This rather ignores history. The brutality completely backfired on them and mobilized large resistance forces against them that they wouldn't otherwise have to deal with. there is a reason why the military tends to think such ideas such as yours are terrible ones.
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I was thinking more like Russia in Chechnya, the Bosnian Serbs in Srebrenica, or Genghis Khan in Afghanistan.
Oh, so Chechnya and Dagestan are pillars of stability now yeah? if that is your ideal outcome, then your goals are pretty low.
sr. member
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There are big differences between that Christianity and Islam. they are able for compensations but at a much smaller scale than it actually happens. and from the religious point of view Christianity is weaker than Islam, much weaker, proof being their status today.
Agreed. Christians need to stop turning the other cheek, start beheading people in the name of their God, and seek solace in living in dirt floored hovels in between their calls to prayer to honor their God. Better yet, they should all just be killed in the name of hollow snackbar.
Personally speaking, I'd favor Western countries taking the gloves off when it came to dealing with Muslims.
For instance. Why not target Afghans suspected of collaborating with Taliban insurgents for reprisals? You could flatten the villages which provide aid to the insurgents, then execute the male population in a mass shooting. It would probably drive a more effective point home since they only respect extreme violence and force.

You don't think that wouldn't leave to more attacks against enemy combatants like 9/11? Keeping on giving reasons for revenge is a good idea?
They already have a lot of hate and revenge wishes on us,even if we give them more reasons or not........
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