Ireland’s first gay prime minister is formally elected - page 2.

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Quote from: Be_Happy on June 24, 2017, 01:36:17 PM

Surrogate motherhood is not correct, the child should have normal parents. If gays want to have a child, then they can be treated and create a normal family in which they can give birth to a child naturally.

There is nothing wrong with surrogate motherhood, but it is the upbringing which matter. Even a lot of heterosexual couples are having surrogate babies nowadays. But the gay lifestyle can be harmful for the kids. There is a high chance of sex abuse and drug addiction.

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Don't really know why this stuff is hitting the news but I'll chime in. I think people who are gay should be equal and shouldn't have any sort of problem with stuff like this, what they want to conduct with their sexual / romantic life. It shouldn't affect their life out of the bedroom and I'd expect people who are normal to respect this decision of theirs to the highest degree. I hope that this guy does a wonderful job, and I hope people don't involve his sexual life into anything that he does.

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Quote from: Kemarit on June 16, 2017, 05:32:38 PM

Leo Varadkar has made history in Ireland by becoming the country’s first openly gay prime minister, as well as the youngest

Leo Varadkar was formally elected taoiseach at a confirmation ceremony in the Dáil in Dublin yesterday after winning the Fine Gael party leadership earlier this month.

The former GP and son of an Indian father and Irish mother, won the vote by 57 votes to 50, with 47 abstaining. His parents Ashok and Miriam were present to see him receive his seal of office. The couple met when they worked in an English hospital in the 1960s.

Varadkar’s partner, Matthew Barrett, who is a doctor, was also watching. Varadkar came out as gay shortly before the 2015 same-sex marriage referendum in Ireland during an interview with RTÉ, Ireland’s national television broadcaster.

https://www.positive.news/2017/archive/27532/irelands-first-gay-prime-minister-formally-elected/

I think this is a big deal for the once Catholic Republic of Ireland. But times are changing now. And people are not defined by their sexuality.

There is no way this will not go round the whole world where people see beyond the issue of person feelings and focus on what really matters which is competence and this is where some developing and third world countries are getting it wrong. I am sure jf it were to be those countries I made reference to people like Leo Varadkar or the new prime minster in France will not even have the opportunity to taste power.

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Surrogacy is getting more and more difficult nowadays. Recently surrogacy was outlawed for foreigners in India. Many other third world nations are also following this example. Right now it is legal only in a select few countries, such as Georgia and Ukraine.

It shouldn't be at the expense of other people's well-being. It is something that really needs a deeper discussion. I remember seeing news of straight couples before that would ask relatives and friends to act as surrogates for them. That might be a better way than paying women in third-world countries though there maybe problems of their own, since the egg/sperm donor is known.

Maybe go buy some eggs/sperm from a bank, and then IVF a relative? I guess that would be better since the donor is anonymous but the surrogate is someone you know and wouldn't exploit.

Quote from: Be_Happy on June 24, 2017, 01:36:17 PM

Surrogate motherhood is not correct, the child should have normal parents. If gays want to have a child, then they can be treated and create a normal family in which they can give birth to a child naturally.

There can be arrangements for that. Of course the problem would be the biological parent possibly meddling with the way you raise your child. Just look at separated straight couples.

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It doesn't really matter as long as he's doing his job correctly and just he'll be fine. There's nothing wrong with being a gay minister, I think that's superb, gorgeous! and gays can always be smart and wise, they are still human being, if he deserves to be there then he deserves it, there's nothing wrong with it, please let equality enter this planet. Equality to gay, lesbians and transgenders.

You can not allow them to be equal, because they are their propaganda of homosexuality will destroy the planet. Two same-sex people can not give birth to a child and the whole planet will die out. There should be people with a traditional orientation in politics, because they are an example for the whole country and even for the world.

Ever heard of surrogates? If the only problem is keeping population up (humans are quite good at this) then they can just make a law legalizing surrogacy. I bet you'd see gays availing that. Lesbians have it easier, then can just get a sperm injection. Many homo couples do want to have kids and they're adopting - adopting babies that straight people are throwing away.

Europe is having a declining birth rate because people just prefer having small families. They can hump all they want and have 20 kids like some people in the Middle East or Africa but they don't want to.

Surrogate motherhood is not correct, the child should have normal parents. If gays want to have a child, then they can be treated and create a normal family in which they can give birth to a child naturally.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 24, 2017, 12:02:08 AM

Surrogacy is getting more and more difficult nowadays. Recently surrogacy was outlawed for foreigners in India. Many other third world nations are also following this example. Right now it is legal only in a select few countries, such as Georgia and Ukraine.

Well surrogacy is an interesting topic. Third world countries are probably banning it because they feel their people are being exploited. But then again, if a woman wants to bear child for someone else, that's her decision. Assuming the woman is not loaded with harmful substances, it's a mutually beneficial agreement. The woman get the money she need to start her way out of poverty, and the couple get to start their own family.

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I'm against gays taking over this world and adopting children. Children want to be normal and grow up in full-fledged families. You can not let gays run the world Angry

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Really?

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Quote from: Kemarit on June 16, 2017, 05:32:38 PM

Leo Varadkar has made history in Ireland by becoming the country’s first openly gay prime minister, as well as the youngest

Now gays are taking over very easily and without fear

What really matters is the capability of that person to rule rather than its sexual preference. In leadership, it sees no gender to rule since it is not all about that. If we are not the people who are going a big fuss about gender then we can see that there is nothing unusual really if people beloeve on him that he can lead them for greater prosperity then so be it.

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Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on June 23, 2017, 03:06:48 PM

Ever heard of surrogates? If the only problem is keeping population up (humans are quite good at this) then they can just make a law legalizing surrogacy. I bet you'd see gays availing that. Lesbians have it easier, then can just get a sperm injection. Many homo couples do want to have kids and they're adopting - adopting babies that straight people are throwing away.

Surrogacy is getting more and more difficult nowadays. Recently surrogacy was outlawed for foreigners in India. Many other third world nations are also following this example. Right now it is legal only in a select few countries, such as Georgia and Ukraine.

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That's interesting. Is he the first openly gay prime minister/president of the world too?

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Quote from: Jomaica on June 23, 2017, 08:05:35 AM

It doesn't really matter as long as he's doing his job correctly and just he'll be fine. There's nothing wrong with being a gay minister, I think that's superb, gorgeous! and gays can always be smart and wise, they are still human being, if he deserves to be there then he deserves it, there's nothing wrong with it, please let equality enter this planet. Equality to gay, lesbians and transgenders.

You can not allow them to be equal, because they are their propaganda of homosexuality will destroy the planet. Two same-sex people can not give birth to a child and the whole planet will die out. There should be people with a traditional orientation in politics, because they are an example for the whole country and even for the world.

Ever heard of surrogates? If the only problem is keeping population up (humans are quite good at this) then they can just make a law legalizing surrogacy. I bet you'd see gays availing that. Lesbians have it easier, then can just get a sperm injection. Many homo couples do want to have kids and they're adopting - adopting babies that straight people are throwing away.

Europe is having a declining birth rate because people just prefer having small families. They can hump all they want and have 20 kids like some people in the Middle East or Africa but they don't want to.

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Quote from: Be_Happy on June 23, 2017, 01:38:26 PM

But in other countries the death rate exceeds the birth rate, for example in Ukraine, and this will gradually lead to a balance of population throughout the world. It's just that you need to advertise more conduc- tion and a conscious birth of children, rather than homosexuality.

I guess that in Ukraine less than 1% of the population is homosexual. But the birth rate there is extremely low (around 1.3 children per couple) when compared to nations with very large homosexual populations. Up to 5% of the population is homosexual in countries such as France. Even then the birth rates in France are 50% more than that in Ukraine.

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Quote from: Jomaica on June 23, 2017, 08:05:35 AM

It doesn't really matter as long as he's doing his job correctly and just he'll be fine. There's nothing wrong with being a gay minister, I think that's superb, gorgeous! and gays can always be smart and wise, they are still human being, if he deserves to be there then he deserves it, there's nothing wrong with it, please let equality enter this planet. Equality to gay, lesbians and transgenders.

You can not allow them to be equal, because they are their propaganda of homosexuality will destroy the planet. Two same-sex people can not give birth to a child and the whole planet will die out. There should be people with a traditional orientation in politics, because they are an example for the whole country and even for the world.

We don't know much about his policies regarding the LGBTs. His homosexual orientation may or may not influence his policy on the LGBTs. That said, I don't think that it is a threat to the humanity that a few people chose the homosexual way of life. The world is already over-populated, and it will be great if the population is reduced.

The population is already shrinking due to illnesses, wars, murders, natural disasters, but it will not be right to reduce the number of people with homosexual relationships. I would not want my children to be homosexual and my family ended up on them.

No. The population is not shrinking, at least not in Ireland. Last year (2016), there were a total of 63,897 births and 30,390 deaths there. As you can see, the population is naturally growing, and the total number of births is more than double the number of deaths. In the long-term, the population is likely to shrink due to the low fertility rates, but right now Ireland is experiencing a population boom.

But in other countries the death rate exceeds the birth rate, for example in Ukraine, and this will gradually lead to a balance of population throughout the world. It's just that you need to advertise more conduc- tion and a conscious birth of children, rather than homosexuality.

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Quote from: Jomaica on June 23, 2017, 08:05:35 AM

It doesn't really matter as long as he's doing his job correctly and just he'll be fine. There's nothing wrong with being a gay minister, I think that's superb, gorgeous! and gays can always be smart and wise, they are still human being, if he deserves to be there then he deserves it, there's nothing wrong with it, please let equality enter this planet. Equality to gay, lesbians and transgenders.

You can not allow them to be equal, because they are their propaganda of homosexuality will destroy the planet. Two same-sex people can not give birth to a child and the whole planet will die out. There should be people with a traditional orientation in politics, because they are an example for the whole country and even for the world.

We don't know much about his policies regarding the LGBTs. His homosexual orientation may or may not influence his policy on the LGBTs. That said, I don't think that it is a threat to the humanity that a few people chose the homosexual way of life. The world is already over-populated, and it will be great if the population is reduced.

The population is already shrinking due to illnesses, wars, murders, natural disasters, but it will not be right to reduce the number of people with homosexual relationships. I would not want my children to be homosexual and my family ended up on them.

No. The population is not shrinking, at least not in Ireland. Last year (2016), there were a total of 63,897 births and 30,390 deaths there. As you can see, the population is naturally growing, and the total number of births is more than double the number of deaths. In the long-term, the population is likely to shrink due to the low fertility rates, but right now Ireland is experiencing a population boom.

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Quote from: Be_Happy on June 23, 2017, 11:50:38 AM

Quote from: Jomaica on June 23, 2017, 08:05:35 AM

It doesn't really matter as long as he's doing his job correctly and just he'll be fine. There's nothing wrong with being a gay minister, I think that's superb, gorgeous! and gays can always be smart and wise, they are still human being, if he deserves to be there then he deserves it, there's nothing wrong with it, please let equality enter this planet. Equality to gay, lesbians and transgenders.

You can not allow them to be equal, because they are their propaganda of homosexuality will destroy the planet. Two same-sex people can not give birth to a child and the whole planet will die out. There should be people with a traditional orientation in politics, because they are an example for the whole country and even for the world.

We don't know much about his policies regarding the LGBTs. His homosexual orientation may or may not influence his policy on the LGBTs. That said, I don't think that it is a threat to the humanity that a few people chose the homosexual way of life. The world is already over-populated, and it will be great if the population is reduced.

The population is already shrinking due to illnesses, wars, murders, natural disasters, but it will not be right to reduce the number of people with homosexual relationships. I would not want my children to be homosexual and my family ended up on them.

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Quote from: Be_Happy on June 23, 2017, 11:50:38 AM

Quote from: Jomaica on June 23, 2017, 08:05:35 AM

It doesn't really matter as long as he's doing his job correctly and just he'll be fine. There's nothing wrong with being a gay minister, I think that's superb, gorgeous! and gays can always be smart and wise, they are still human being, if he deserves to be there then he deserves it, there's nothing wrong with it, please let equality enter this planet. Equality to gay, lesbians and transgenders.

You can not allow them to be equal, because they are their propaganda of homosexuality will destroy the planet. Two same-sex people can not give birth to a child and the whole planet will die out. There should be people with a traditional orientation in politics, because they are an example for the whole country and even for the world.

We don't know much about his policies regarding the LGBTs. His homosexual orientation may or may not influence his policy on the LGBTs. That said, I don't think that it is a threat to the humanity that a few people chose the homosexual way of life. The world is already over-populated, and it will be great if the population is reduced.

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Quote from: Jomaica on June 23, 2017, 08:05:35 AM

It doesn't really matter as long as he's doing his job correctly and just he'll be fine. There's nothing wrong with being a gay minister, I think that's superb, gorgeous! and gays can always be smart and wise, they are still human being, if he deserves to be there then he deserves it, there's nothing wrong with it, please let equality enter this planet. Equality to gay, lesbians and transgenders.

You can not allow them to be equal, because they are their propaganda of homosexuality will destroy the planet. Two same-sex people can not give birth to a child and the whole planet will die out. There should be people with a traditional orientation in politics, because they are an example for the whole country and even for the world.

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Quote from: Kemarit on June 16, 2017, 05:32:38 PM

I think this is a big deal for the once Catholic Republic of Ireland. But times are changing now. And people are not defined by their sexuality.

If his sexuality does not matter, why do you open this topic about his sexuality?

Well, that's a rather succinct comeback. Cheesy

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First the USA legalizes Homosexuality and now this, damn this is just too much, the world is definitely going to the dogs. The end is imminent now and am scared. If one is able to make a horrible mistake of being gay, then i shudder to think of his decisions for the welfare of the country.

Oh please just kill yourself already.
You're a shame to the very idea of human being.

One doesn not CHOSE to be gay. Do you chose to prefer chocolate over strawberry? Did you chose to love your wife? I bet she didn't chose to love you otherwise she wouldn't have made such a stupid mistake.
Tastes, love, affection... They're feelings, they aren't controlled they impose themselves to us.

Only a monster would deny his own real feelings, gays are gays by nature and that's all.

Yes. Why would anyone choose to be shunned by a conservative society, to estrange their family, and to be alone? I really don't understand some people's logic. It's like saying all gays are masochists who gladly chose to go against the norm and suffer for it.

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Quote from: joebrook on June 23, 2017, 08:13:11 AM

First the USA legalizes Homosexuality and now this, damn this is just too much, the world is definitely going to the dogs. The end is imminent now and am scared. If one is able to make a horrible mistake of being gay, then i shudder to think of his decisions for the welfare of the country.

Oh please just kill yourself already.
You're a shame to the very idea of human being.

One doesn not CHOSE to be gay. Do you chose to prefer chocolate over strawberry? Did you chose to love your wife? I bet she didn't chose to love you otherwise she wouldn't have made such a stupid mistake.
Tastes, love, affection... They're feelings, they aren't controlled they impose themselves to us.

Only a monster would deny his own real feelings, gays are gays by nature and that's all.

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First the USA legalizes Homosexuality and now this, damn this is just too much, the world is definitely going to the dogs. The end is imminent now and am scared. If one is able to make a horrible mistake of being gay, then i shudder to think of his decisions for the welfare of the country.

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