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Topic: IRS proposes unprecedented data-collection on crypto users - page 2. (Read 248 times)

legendary
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Well, if you can give over a Billion Dollars to Israel to build a "Iron Dome" and to fund the Ukraine to fight the Russians and also spend more than 1 Trillion Dollars on the war in Afghanistan.... then you have to get the money from somewhere.  Roll Eyes

It is expensive to be the global hero in all the conflicts in the world, but I guess Crypto currencies should also contribute to funding these wars, because it's the tax payers that are paying these bills.  Roll Eyes

Imagine all that money going into a cheaper Health care system for their own people or proper funding to combat crime and drugs.  Roll Eyes
sr. member
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I'm friends with a retired tax collector who all but assured me that the chances of being audited for not reporting crypto-related stuff were slim. First of all, as an American, you're only subjected to taxes on trades made on exchanges that report data to the IRS. This may already be all major America-based crypto exchanges, but if you are a casual trader who, let's say, has less than $30k of tax obligations in a year, you are highly unlikely to be audited. This is because the cost of the audit exceeds the amount the IRS could potentially recover during the course of collections.
Someone said the same thing about authorities not pursuing a case if the cost exceeds the benefits or something like that. I think it's a common occurrence around the world that the tax collectors prioritize bigger fish. The thing with the data collection is that they will still have your information at the end of the day. You may escape the audit for now but who knows what happens when you make it big?

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If you are using exchanges that don't report to the IRS, then the activity on those exchanges may have well never existed at all...
Don't they have a database for all their users? I'm assuming they're still required to keep a few years of data.
legendary
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...but if you are a casual trader who, let's say, has less than $30k of tax obligations in a year, you are highly unlikely to be audited.
I don't live in the US, but I understand that this type of scenario might come up in our country as cryptocurrencies gain more popularity. The term "obligation" clearly implies that we, as taxpayers, need to ensure that we maintain proper records of our trading activities. It's like we become business entities responsible for maintaining financial statements to determine our tax liabilities. I bet not all profitable crypto traders are really committed to reporting their tax obligations. Some might not even keep track of their trading transactions.

I'm curious about the consequences of failing to report. What kind of sanctions could we potentially face if the IRS decides to conduct a thorough audit?

If you are using exchanges that don't report to the IRS, then the activity on those exchanges may have well never existed at all...
Sure that's true, but are we gonna trust these exchanges?

BTW I'm not advocating that people cheat on their taxes, just relaying info from a knowledgeable source.

You know, there's this saying that goes, "It's only called cheating if you get caught." But if you can employ some accounting tricks that make your actions appear legally as "tax avoidance," then there's probably no risk involved.
legendary
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This does not surprise me one bit, it’s the price we have to pay for increased adoption, more widespread usage & higher prices. Service providers have to get in line & satisfy what regulators demand. As long as you pay your taxes & don’t commit financial crimes it shouldn’t really bother you.
legendary
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I'm friends with a retired tax collector who all but assured me that the chances of being audited for not reporting crypto-related stuff were slim. First of all, as an American, you're only subjected to taxes on trades made on exchanges that report data to the IRS. This may already be all major America-based crypto exchanges, but if you are a casual trader who, let's say, has less than $30k of tax obligations in a year, you are highly unlikely to be audited. This is because the cost of the audit exceeds the amount the IRS could potentially recover during the course of collections.

If you are using exchanges that don't report to the IRS, then the activity on those exchanges may have well never existed at all...

BTW I'm not advocating that people cheat on their taxes, just relaying info from a knowledgeable source.
legendary
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The plan is the same or sounds very similar to the one the European Union is trying to implment, which in short tries to control Bitcoin transactions like banking transactions. Only P2P and transactions made from one's custodial wallet with non-EU entities would escape. But of course, if the USA follows the same path and more and more countries join, in the end there will be less and less room for freedom.
sr. member
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Don't do KYC, use DEX as much as you can do.

you can say that but they have other things in mind. to put DEXs on the same footing as places like coinbase.

For this reason, the proposal states that the IRS expects some decentralized exchanges and selfhosted wallets may be forced to report their customers’ private information.


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enjoy those things while they last because there are people behind sites like Bisq and Localmonero. And if the IRS comes breathing down their neck they'll drop USA customers like a hot potato.

The premise seems to be partly based on “whether a person is in a position to know information about the identity of a customer, rather than whether a person ordinarily would know such information.” The proposal states that this distinction is made because some platforms “have a policy of not requesting customer information or requesting only limited information [but] have the ability to obtain information about their customers by updating their protocols.”
hero member
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They can bend terms, laws and create new laws to regulate crytocurrency market more and to get more tax for government.

The PATRIOT Act comes to cryptocurrency
Why KYC is extremely dangerous - and useless?

Don't do KYC, use DEX as much as you can do.
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https://bitcoiner.guide/nokyconly/
https://kycnot.me/
sr. member
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https://cointelegraph.com/news/irs-proposes-unprecedented-data-collection-crypto-users

The IRS is looking to require crypto service providers to collect unprecedented swaths of data about their users — including names and Social Security numbers.

i'm sure coinbase already does that but i guess now they want even more places to do that like decentralized exchanges...hmm Angry


Recalling back to 2021, the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act was about building roads, bridges, and the like — it was not about cryptocurrency or financial reporting. It wasn’t until funding was desperately needed to offset spending that members of Congress slipped in two provisions to increase financial surveillance over cryptocurrency users. Their argument was that increasing surveillance would increase tax revenue, effectively accusing cryptocurrency users of tax evasion.

bitcoin is not for usa people. period. not after this type of thing. who wants to be a sitting duck? being involved in crypto just puts a big X mark on your back if you're a usa citizen...
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