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Topic: Is all this manipulation good for Bitcoin? - page 2. (Read 2876 times)

legendary
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September 03, 2014, 08:37:26 PM
#28
production of BTC is knowned.
demand of buy, not.

price change over the month.
bitcoin is a real stock system with no interference of manipulation market.

very clear and lean statement. that should make your question obsolate, before you do more wrong questions and get into confusion without a straight thought and aim for conclusion.
legendary
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Merit: 1000
September 03, 2014, 08:25:37 PM
#27
1. the longer the bitcoin price stays high the better for its core-value and volatility is very welcome for trading.
2. as long the difficulty double every 90 days and the price for a Hash is falling, the btc price level will stay stable on the high level we have now.
legendary
Activity: 1582
Merit: 1064
September 03, 2014, 06:48:00 PM
#26
Ethereum is the big whale selling for the last few weeks. They are simply cashing out and not "manipulating" the price down.

In fact, they are better off if the price stay high so they can sell more.

They did not raise bitcoins to benefit from price movements. They raised bitcoins so that development expenses can be paid. So I guess they have to sell at regular intervals.
full member
Activity: 179
Merit: 100
September 03, 2014, 01:26:56 PM
#25
Ethereum is the big whale selling for the last few weeks. They are simply cashing out and not "manipulating" the price down.

In fact, they are better off if the price stay high so they can sell more.
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 250
September 03, 2014, 01:15:53 PM
#24
I won't be spending BTC at a loss (under $1250), so keep manipulating it down and no business will ever get mine.

This is a legit point of view. You need to stay calm and watch the market noise. Whales are trying to get feed cheap ass plankton as weak hands get shaken. The disruptive nature of BTC remains and the future is set in stone: BTC wins.
member
Activity: 69
Merit: 10
September 03, 2014, 11:14:44 AM
#23
Everything is a scam because money creates more money easily, but at least with BTC we don't have a super mega scam of Ben Bernakle tier.
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1011
September 03, 2014, 04:49:29 AM
#22
I do think that the fact that many people often scream manipulation whenever the price of bitcoin falls is a sign that bitcoin does need a small amount of regulation to make sure everyone has a level playing field.

I disagree.  The bulk of the screams for manipulation are built on poor reasoning, a weak understanding of volatility and probability, and a cognative bias which attributes anything interesting as having come from some thinking agent (see the intellegent design argument).  This is not new to the community and indeed was more pernicious in the past with the whole "the manipulator" meme.

I'd say nothing needs to be done about this but if the screams are worrying, I'd recommend addressing the actual problem: the demons in peoples' minds.  At the very least, let us spend our energy advertising Bitcoin to professional day-traders, highlighting how some actors are pushing the price around in predictable ways.  Such "manipulators" are easy prey for a seasoned trader and these traders will help to reduce volatility and bring about swift price discovery.  They may even help to drive the amateur speculators and gamblers out of the market (good riddance) leading to even lower volatility.

Regulations will only make things worse as they will certainly raise the barrier to entry for new traders and/or trading platforms and may even make truly decentralised trading systems effectively illegal.  Less choice will only foster abuse and lead to a less level playing field.  The greater costs which must come with regulation would also be most unwelcome.
sr. member
Activity: 272
Merit: 250
September 03, 2014, 02:32:55 AM
#21
Anyone looking at the charts will see whales pushing the price down again and again. Is this good for Bitcoin's PR?

Thats not manipulation, just some whale sell a lot and some other whale buy a lot.
legendary
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RIP Mommy
September 03, 2014, 12:58:02 AM
#20
I won't be spending BTC at a loss (under $1250), so keep manipulating it down and no business will ever get mine.
legendary
Activity: 1582
Merit: 1064
September 02, 2014, 07:35:32 PM
#19
Manipulation can be good if it is going upward and raise awareness for the local.

Manipulation is never good. Price manipulation upwards is usually followed by the manipulators cashing out.
hero member
Activity: 812
Merit: 509
September 02, 2014, 04:41:47 PM
#18
are there any signs there is a manipulation going on though? besides the fact the price is getting lower

Yes there are signs.

1, Every time the price get past a certain point, some dude/bot dumps a whole amount on a western exchange (usually bitfinex).
2, The price goes back up slowly (usually because of the Chinese).

Repeat ^
legendary
Activity: 812
Merit: 1000
September 02, 2014, 04:24:33 PM
#17

lots of people interested in the market is good
full member
Activity: 181
Merit: 100
September 02, 2014, 01:45:00 PM
#16
Manipulation can be good if it is going upward and raise awareness for the local.

It is bad when it is manipulated downward and the local might perceived it as pump and dump.
legendary
Activity: 2730
Merit: 1288
September 02, 2014, 01:36:18 PM
#15
Anyone looking at the charts will see whales pushing the price down again and again. Is this good for Bitcoin's PR?

If it is going down is good We will be able to buy more cheaper. Everyone will, so there will be way more bitcoin users. Smiley  is just a win-win situation.
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
September 02, 2014, 01:17:42 PM
#14
No it's not good for bitcoins PR but then again it can be good for those who were late getting into bitcoin when the price goes down to be able to jump in and start investing if they wish. The only people it probably does not help is those who are trying to sell when the price goes down.
full member
Activity: 174
Merit: 100
September 02, 2014, 01:07:38 PM
#13
Anyone looking at the charts will see whales pushing the price down again and again. Is this good for Bitcoin's PR?

So, price going down is manipulation?

Don't seem to hear this kind of accusation when price is going up.
newbie
Activity: 55
Merit: 0
September 02, 2014, 10:22:08 AM
#12
are there any signs there is a manipulation going on though? besides the fact the price is getting lower
legendary
Activity: 1386
Merit: 1016
September 02, 2014, 10:17:05 AM
#11
The price stabalizes at the limited range between $470 to $530, is stable, which reflect the true value of BTC. There is nothing to do with manipulation. It is a good time to buy a little bit now.
legendary
Activity: 2590
Merit: 1022
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
September 02, 2014, 09:16:02 AM
#10
i don't think this is manipulation, the pump to 1200 was manipulation indeed, but now we are retuning to a normal value after that big pump
member
Activity: 106
Merit: 10
September 02, 2014, 08:23:36 AM
#9
This probably gives newbies a chance to enter the market at attractive valuations.  Smiley
Yeah it does,I have bought a coin while it went down to 475 today.Might be it could have gone below that??

You could get it lower than that, if you wait for it to drop.... I was impatient... Last week I snagged one at $493+5 = $498

then when it dropped to $490...i bought another one for $495...only to have the market hit $470.... so Yeah....

Im gonna wait for it tank further or just sit tight!
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