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Quote from: Jawhead999 on November 11, 2024, 09:57:40 AM

That's true many people will think like you, it's because they're Madridistas.

But, at least I'm happy the winner wasn't Messi anymore.

The truth is yes, but you have to be consistent, I think there were other players who deserved the Ballon d'Or apart from Vini, but the truth is that it would have been the last straw if it had been Messi, it was too much shamelessness, but to be honest I wouldn't have been surprised, the truth is I will never understand the criteria for choosing a Ballon d'Or.

I think that a player to win the Ballon d'Or for me is simple , the one who scores the most goals in the season and the most outstanding, the one who obviously wins the most or has gone the furthest in the league, but I think that the goals should weigh a lot, it's simple.

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Quote from: Reatim on October 30, 2024, 07:25:59 AM

It has been said that the winner is decided by 100 journalists each picking their top 10 players of the year. Is it possible that these journalists may be affected by some personal bias or patriotism? How objective is this award and is this deciding method really the best?

You cannot completely rule out bias when it comes to selection, especially when a voter takes personal liking to a contestant, they might vote based on emotions rather than skills. If the100 journalist will vote based on their discretion, then you can't expect all of them to like the obvious best player. So I believe that the criteria for selection might not be centered only on skills, it can include character and charisma, so the best skilled player might not gain all the journalist's favors. We'll have to accept what the journalists agrees on, they're the professionals, even though their choices might not be perfect.

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Though there's a transparent data for the organizers of the Balon D'or award to back their claim that anyone who wins the award actually deserves it, I have a strong feeling that some of this data that are released after few days of announcing the winner are been tampered. If it was as transparent as they do make us to believe, then why is the voting data not released immediately after the winner is announced.
The truth is that Vinicius Jr deserved it more than anyone else this year and that's why many people are now doubting the whole process of the award

Full transparency is quite a challenge for Ballon d'Or selection since it is done behind doors, especially with the manner in which this award has come under fire over its results and data, which most of the time are released after the winner has been announced and seemingly kept secret. Although they present lots of data to back their picks, many see disparities, as though there was some kind of manipulation.

Although Rondri's case is controversial, the award of Best Player in Asia or Ballon dor Asia has been associated with similar criticism. When Akram Afif was given the award, it came as a surprise because Son Heung-min had until then been acknowledged as the stronger player. Afif's win shattered Son's hegemony, and doubts began to emerge regarding how the winners were shortlisted. Most of them have forwarded the idea that the award might comprise something more than mere individual performance, maybe political influence or an effort to recognize different regions.

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Quote from: Troytech on November 02, 2024, 07:31:13 AM

We cannot question their judgement. They are no fools, they would do what is right even if the system can be manipulated if we watch closely. But i think it is best for other journalist to do a deep investigation and spill out the truth to the general public. The reason is because we as fans can never know how the judgement is done. Also, even if we are suspecting one or two sentiment our voice cannot be heard.

Recently a Finnish Journalist resigns for forgetting to vote for Vini Jr. He said it's his fault and deserves to quit the position. There is more to what happened to the Balon D'or result. Also two other Journalists Bruno Porzio of Elsavador and Sheefeni Nikodemus from Namibia didn't add Vini to their top ten list. So, the people in the voting panel can be unfair.

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Quote from: Reatim on October 30, 2024, 07:25:59 AM

Is it possible that these journalists may be affected by some personal bias or patriotism? How objective is this award and is this deciding method really the best?

It's very possible. I remind you, the Ballon D'or is just a magazine award. The journalists can vote for the players they know. It likes when i vote for my friend because he is my friend. I don't take this award seriously. Journalists's objectivity can be biased by the personal relationship toward the player.

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Quote from: Akbarkoe on November 01, 2024, 10:16:11 AM

I do not fully understand how the people are evaluating one player to be made one of the candidates for the winner of the ballon d'Or whether by having a reason or not in expressing the assessment, if there is transparent data in my assessment, in my opinion it is legitimate, Like what the view given to one of the players, so that we can find a reason why he won it, this looks more fair despite using the same way as a greeting to evaluate the winner of the Ballon d'Or.

Though there's a transparent data for the organizers of the Balon D'or award to back their claim that anyone who wins the award actually deserves it, I have a strong feeling that some of this data that are released after few days of announcing the winner are been tampered. If it was as transparent as they do make us to believe, then why is the voting data not released immediately after the winner is announced.
The truth is that Vinicius Jr deserved it more than anyone else this year and that's why many people are now doubting the whole process of the award

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Quote from: Jewan420 on November 01, 2024, 10:44:28 AM

I think the people who choose the best players for the Ballon d'Or are definitely qualified people. Actually choosing the best player for the Ballon d'Or is not a very easy task. Those who vote must review the various aspects of the players and vote for the right candidate. We may passionately think this player deserves the Ballon d'Or, but not passionately for them. I don't want to question the Ballon d'Or, I think it is given to deserving players.

I think it is a subject that should be questioned. Ballon D'or has lost its reputation. I agree that it is difficult to choose one among so many good players, but the Ballon d'Or was a place where a choice should be made that would be objective enough. Doesn't Rodri's selection explain everything? Actually, you know the truth. that's why you don't ask questions.

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Quote from: Reatim on October 30, 2024, 07:25:59 AM

It has been said that the winner is decided by 100 journalists each picking their top 10 players of the year. Is it possible that these journalists may be affected by some personal bias or patriotism? How objective is this award and is this deciding method really the best?

it's said that the proceedings are as fair as possible, but we all know that's not entirely true... From the moment they placed a limitation on the number of voters for the nomination, it became something that's totally based on their own discretion.

come to think of it, kante's fine form in Chelsea is greater than any version of Rodri, so how did Rodri bag the trophy, but kante didn't?? Can y'all see the petty sentiments in this new-era ballon d'or selection/nomination??

Someone might say ngolo was competing against the two greatest players in the history of football, that's why he wasn't lucky with it... How about Lucas modric? Wasn't it in the same era that he won comfortable - even when his performances weren't as great as that of Ronaldo and messi?
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Quote from: Docnaster on November 11, 2024, 12:11:19 PM

The truth is that Vinicius Jr deserved it more than anyone else this year and that's why many people are now doubting the whole process of the award

It's just impossible to ignore this conversation....

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Quote from: Reatim on October 30, 2024, 07:25:59 AM

In light of recent events, this got me curious.

We know that Ballon d’Or was recently held and they have decided to crown Rodiri as the winner. Now, I don’t want to hear whether he deserved it or not or should it have been vini. This post is not to discuss that but, I want to know if this award really is objective and reflective of the best performing athlete in terms of football.

That is the aim of it and that is what we are meant to believe about it even though some will still have some objection and still sense some imperfections in the whole process. The event will bring room for more competitiveness between players and will like to perform to their best in order to make their name written on that book of records in the history of football. So it’ll continue that way to chose the best athlete in football.

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It has been said that the winner is decided by 100 journalists each picking their top 10 players of the year. Is it possible that these journalists may be affected by some personal bias or patriotism? How objective is this award and is this deciding method really the best?

Even if this method is not the best and they want to try out many different ways, there will still be some challenges and questions like this will still arise whether this method is the best or not again. Journalists are humans also and they may have their own choice and how they like each players and can trigger them to vote for them even though they don’t deserve it. As long as this is the method they’re still adopting, it is still the best until they come with another one.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on November 09, 2024, 02:01:19 PM

For me, the Ballon d'Or has lost all credibility How is it possible that they gave the Ballon d'Or to a Rodri instead of a Vinicius? We already have enough with those Ballon d'Ors that everyone gave to Messi. Now with this act, I think they went too far Well, I don't know. It's my opinion and I think that many people think like me. It's the most rational thing to do.

This is the very reason why it is not advisable to bet on competitions like this because it depends on the judges' points to each athlete. As you can't see how they are giving points to the contenders, you are like blind to what is happening behind.
It is better to watch how this competition unfolds and see how the judges selected their annual choice. But for the major criteria, it is stated that they are looking for the individual's performance (Aug-July of the previous European season), team success and player's behavior. Now, there may be some bias on how they give the points but I guess, those top 3 factors are of course major aspects considered.

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Quote from: Troytech on November 02, 2024, 07:31:13 AM

We cannot question their judgement. They are no fools, they would do what is right even if the system can be manipulated if we watch closely. But i think it is best for other journalist to do a deep investigation and spill out the truth to the general public. The reason is because we as fans can never know how the judgement is done. Also, even if we are suspecting one or two sentiment our voice cannot be heard.

Why the journalists need to do a deep investigation if they're also get bribed by FIFA? Cheesy

There's no fearless journalist that want to do an investigation to FIFA, I think we will never know what's happening behind that, all we keep heard is rumor where FIFA is unfair, that's.

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on November 09, 2024, 02:01:19 PM

For me, the Ballon d'Or has lost all credibility How is it possible that they gave the Ballon d'Or to a Rodri instead of a Vinicius? We already have enough with those Ballon d'Ors that everyone gave to Messi. Now with this act, I think they went too far Well, I don't know. It's my opinion and I think that many people think like me. It's the most rational thing to do.

That's true many people will think like you, it's because they're Madridistas.

But, at least I'm happy the winner wasn't Messi anymore.

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For me, the Ballon d'Or has lost all credibility How is it possible that they gave the Ballon d'Or to a Rodri instead of a Vinicius? We already have enough with those Ballon d'Ors that everyone gave to Messi. Now with this act, I think they went too far Well, I don't know. It's my opinion and I think that many people think like me. It's the most rational thing to do.

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Between Brazilians had high expectations for Vini Jr to bring back their declining football success and they've not been impressed ever since Rodri got the award. I noticed that the nation have not been winning Balon D'or for a while, but it's not up to 20 years since Kaka's last win in 2007.

However they still play good football, their only barrier is the ever increasing emergence of stars in different countries and the efforts they also put in the pitch. Awardees are given equal rights to win depending on the performances in their name, not just about nativity.

I don't think the decision can be questioned, sometimes we want to see a different result, but the decision is made by competent people, so I wouldn't make a big topic of discussion out of it. In the recent season when City won the Premier League, the Champions League and the Cup there were many expectations that Haaland should get the highest award, but it didn't happen, maybe the reason was that his national team is weak, I'm sure that many factors are taken into account when making decisions.

We cannot question their judgement. They are no fools, they would do what is right even if the system can be manipulated if we watch closely. But i think it is best for other journalist to do a deep investigation and spill out the truth to the general public. The reason is because we as fans can never know how the judgement is done. Also, even if we are suspecting one or two sentiment our voice cannot be heard.

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Quote from: Reatim on October 30, 2024, 07:25:59 AM

In light of recent events, this got me curious.

We know that Ballon d’Or was recently held and they have decided to crown Rodiri as the winner. Now, I don’t want to hear whether he deserved it or not or should it have been vini. This post is not to discuss that but, I want to know if this award really is objective and reflective of the best performing athlete in terms of football.

It has been said that the winner is decided by 100 journalists each picking their top 10 players of the year. Is it possible that these journalists may be affected by some personal bias or patriotism? How objective is this award and is this deciding method really the best?

Anything that is widely condemned should be deemed faulty most times, the criticism of this Ballon d'Or's winner is too loud this time and it is disgraceful, to say the least. This is why some people do not appreciate some titles anymore because the holders may not deserve it, so what is the point? The present jury guys are the most unpredictable I've ever known since I've been following football. This is not about people's sentiment but what is obvious in the sight of the majority. FIFA and the so-called panel/jury are now sentimental and political, they don't appreciate true talent again, that is what I can say right now. This is not the first time the deserving player has been robbed, even Messi was not worth the last one he won. It's all about humans pleasing themselves which is not fair.

You mentioning Messi is a clear indication that you are biased and you are letting your emotions have the better control over you. Why didn't you mentioned the one Christiano Ronaldo won ahead of Frank Ribery?

Hahaha, it seems I just hit Messi's fan on his injury, who cares about the sentiment you are talking about? I see things the way they are even if my preferred person doesn't deserve it. Why call C. Ronaldo to this? He was even far from the choice then. I thought this insane comparison had been buried already, who is now sentimental? Stop bringing up the past biases, I do not do that. I mentioned Messi because he is a person of interest in an example, so what? Perhaps you must force me to give multiple examples. And if you must know (for your injury to be better hit) Messi did not deserve the last two Ballon D'or received, that's a fact, it's daylight robbery.

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I think the people who choose the best players for the Ballon d'Or are definitely qualified people. Actually choosing the best player for the Ballon d'Or is not a very easy task. Those who vote must review the various aspects of the players and vote for the right candidate. We may passionately think this player deserves the Ballon d'Or, but not passionately for them. I don't want to question the Ballon d'Or, I think it is given to deserving players.

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I do not fully understand how the people are evaluating one player to be made one of the candidates for the winner of the ballon d'Or whether by having a reason or not in expressing the assessment, if there is transparent data in my assessment, in my opinion it is legitimate, Like what the view given to one of the players, so that we can find a reason why he won it, this looks more fair despite using the same way as a greeting to evaluate the winner of the Ballon d'Or.

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Quote from: Reatim on October 30, 2024, 07:25:59 AM

In light of recent events, this got me curious.

We know that Ballon d’Or was recently held and they have decided to crown Rodiri as the winner. Now, I don’t want to hear whether he deserved it or not or should it have been vini. This post is not to discuss that but, I want to know if this award really is objective and reflective of the best performing athlete in terms of football.

It has been said that the winner is decided by 100 journalists each picking their top 10 players of the year. Is it possible that these journalists may be affected by some personal bias or patriotism? How objective is this award and is this deciding method really the best?

Well, first of all, no one knows why they made that decision, which is the best for them. There may be others who do not agree with that decision, and there are others who mostly support that decision, but it's still like that in the field of sports, especially in football.

Then the selection of the best players. I also think that it is not easy for those who decide on that matter, unless there is an under the table that they want to be the best players,
you know what I mean.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on November 01, 2024, 01:25:44 AM

Quote from: Reatim on October 30, 2024, 07:25:59 AM

In light of recent events, this got me curious.

We know that Ballon d’Or was recently held and they have decided to crown Rodiri as the winner. Now, I don’t want to hear whether he deserved it or not or should it have been vini. This post is not to discuss that but, I want to know if this award really is objective and reflective of the best performing athlete in terms of football.

It has been said that the winner is decided by 100 journalists each picking their top 10 players of the year. Is it possible that these journalists may be affected by some personal bias or patriotism? How objective is this award and is this deciding method really the best?

Anything that is widely condemned should be deemed faulty most times, the criticism of this Ballon d'Or's winner is too loud this time and it is disgraceful, to say the least. This is why some people do not appreciate some titles anymore because the holders may not deserve it, so what is the point? The present jury guys are the most unpredictable I've ever known since I've been following football. This is not about people's sentiment but what is obvious in the sight of the majority. FIFA and the so-called panel/jury are now sentimental and political, they don't appreciate true talent again, that is what I can say right now. This is not the first time the deserving player has been robbed, even Messi was not worth the last one he won. It's all about humans pleasing themselves which is not fair.

You mentioning Messi is a clear indication that you are biased and you are letting your emotions have the better control over you. Why didn't you mentioned the one Christiano Ronaldo won ahead of Frank Ribery? Nothing is widely condemned it is just you and your likes that are making it up. You guys should learn to be happy for others when they are winning everything must not be centered within your favourites. The only time I saw deserving players were robbed, where those times that CR7 won the Ballon d'Or, yet the world did not fall, neither did anybody suggest that Ballon d'Or should be scrapped. Can you ever explain how CR7 won the Ballon d'Or without winning a single trophy? Nobody is scrapping anything because of few losers who thinks they deserve what they don't. Cr7, Modric and Benzema won, Ballon d'Or is credible. Messi and others won Ballon d'Or is not credible and should be scrapped. What a world 😂😂

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This ballon d’or has lost its worth ever since lewadoski was rubbed off the ballon d’or in 2020, with the said reason that Covid was the reason. and was then given to Messi 2021 I stopped eating that award.
But I’m glad it was given to rodri since the past years has been either a player from either Barcelona or Real Madrid. So this time it should be someone else.

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Quote from: Die_empty on October 30, 2024, 07:43:57 AM

There can never be a perfect way of selecting the best player because there will always be defects or errors in the process. The question should be how are these journalists selected. Are different countries or continents represented objectively in the population of 100 journalists? If you select 70 voters from Europe and spread others to another continent, racial bias will make any European candidate win.

However, there is still room for improvement like reviewing the criteria for choosing the journalist that will vote. These voters should also be kept secret to avoid influence from the nominees.

I bet a great percentage of them are from Europe and they Favour their European players the more, especially those who are of European origin, the discrimination is always felt most times but is brushed off by the media and everything reverts to normal until they do it again and the cycle goes on. I think there should be an even distribution of the journalists who presents their lists across all continents to give every continent equal participation in the selection process. Where there's no equity, some people feel cheated and that is what is happening currently around the selection process of the winner of the prestigious award.

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