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Quote from: TelolettOm on October 31, 2024, 06:47:59 PM

Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on October 31, 2024, 12:30:22 PM

I don’t agree with players winning the award based on journalists’ votes, and I think a fair method needs to be discussed. We've often seen journalists act emotionally in their voting over the years.

I don't really understand about the vote mechanism. But this way may be most reasonable way to determine the winner. Do you have an idea to make it more objective? What vote method do you suggest?

In my own view, the name shouldn't be Ballon d'Or but favorite player title (based on journalist perspective).

The Ballon d'Or is one of the oldest and most prestigious individual awards in world football, awarded annually by France Football Magazine to the best player in the world in that calendar year. The voting mechanism still uses the same method every year, if you want to make it more objective, it might take a brilliant idea to change the voting method.
Journalists were appointed as a jury consisting of 100 people, FIFA and the Ballon d'Or organizers gave them a list of 30 players who had been categorized as nominees. The Ballon D'or voting is often considered controversial, but that is the mechanism for determining the winner.

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Quote from: Accardo on November 01, 2024, 06:11:28 AM

Between Brazilians had high expectations for Vini Jr to bring back their declining football success and they've not been impressed ever since Rodri got the award. I noticed that the nation have not been winning Balon D'or for a while, but it's not up to 20 years since Kaka's last win in 2007.

However they still play good football, their only barrier is the ever increasing emergence of stars in different countries and the efforts they also put in the pitch. Awardees are given equal rights to win depending on the performances in their name, not just about nativity.

I don't think the decision can be questioned, sometimes we want to see a different result, but the decision is made by competent people, so I wouldn't make a big topic of discussion out of it. In the recent season when City won the Premier League, the Champions League and the Cup there were many expectations that Haaland should get the highest award, but it didn't happen, maybe the reason was that his national team is weak, I'm sure that many factors are taken into account when making decisions.

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Quote from: alani123 on October 30, 2024, 04:02:52 PM

Only once was it given to a black man from what it seems!? In 1995
Football is so beloved in all over the world, with countries in Latin America making it the pride of every neighborhood to support their local team. Yet we only see the reward rotate around English, Spanish, Italian and German players most of the time.

So what, we should award it based on the color of the skin?
Then where is the outrage about no Asian winning it, what about the middle east, what about north America?
If Mbappe had won would that have been counted as black or as french and western?

Quote from: Oluwa-btc on November 01, 2024, 02:02:08 AM

Got me thinking that even if they decided not to give Vini, what about Dani Cavarjal? He won it all last season, yes? The champions league competition, scored during the finals, won la liga, won the European championship with spain, say no more man. I feel like they be having underground issues with Real Madrid all because they be wanting these super league speculated to begin soon.

Real Madrid had 4 players entered in the Ballon d'Or last year, Ramos was not one of them, and saying that someone has issues with Real after they've won the title with 3 different players in the last decade it's just tinfoil conspiracy territory.

Quote from: NotATether on October 31, 2024, 03:58:27 AM

I am pretty sure it had nothing to do with his on-field attitude, but more about his on-field performance. Or more specifically, the lack of it.

Fair play is still a criteria for the points and he lacks that more than results

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Quote from: Reatim on October 30, 2024, 07:25:59 AM

In light of recent events, this got me curious.

We know that Ballon d’Or was recently held and they have decided to crown Rodiri as the winner. Now, I don’t want to hear whether he deserved it or not or should it have been vini. This post is not to discuss that but, I want to know if this award really is objective and reflective of the best performing athlete in terms of football.

It has been said that the winner is decided by 100 journalists each picking their top 10 players of the year. Is it possible that these journalists may be affected by some personal bias or patriotism? How objective is this award and is this deciding method really the best?

We can't know it and chances are that we will never do. It is not definitely objective, like most of the decisions made by humans, which is not necessarily bad. It would only be bad if it responded to shady interests that manipulated the vote, but we have no way of knowing if that is so.

BTW, I'm really excited by the decision to choose Rodri, a Spanish player. Our players, and he in particular, deserve it. But, again, I'm not being objective, as a Spaniard that I am Cheesy

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on November 01, 2024, 05:41:52 AM

This just shows the complete decline that Brazilian football is in, the last best player in the world was Kaká almost 20 years ago. I think the award given to Rodri was fair, Vinicius is not yet a complete player and responding to the OP, I think it is very difficult for 100 people to think the same way, there may even be some prejudice but specific cases that may not even interfere in the final result. There are 100 people voting... if Rodri won it was because he deserved it.

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The judges are asked to consider three areas: Individual performance, decisiveness and impressiveness, their collective performance and track record as well as fair play.

If the award is given based on the quality of the player and his performance, Vinicius Junior was far better than the winner Rodri. Most newspapers globally reported that the Brazilian was the favourite to win the award. His shortfall might be his character on the pitch. He has not been able to calmly interact with players and officials. He has been a target of racist attacks but sometimes he reacts extremely.

But I think the voting for the award can be expanded to give equal representation. Since FIFA has a membership of about 211 national associations, maybe a sports journalist from each country should vote.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on November 01, 2024, 05:41:52 AM

This just shows the complete decline that Brazilian football is in, the last best player in the world was Kaká almost 20 years ago. I think the award given to Rodri was fair, Vinicius is not yet a complete player and responding to the OP, I think it is very difficult for 100 people to think the same way, there may even be some prejudice but specific cases that may not even interfere in the final result. There are 100 people voting... if Rodri won it was because he deserved it.

Between Brazilians had high expectations for Vini Jr to bring back their declining football success and they've not been impressed ever since Rodri got the award. I noticed that the nation have not been winning Balon D'or for a while, but it's not up to 20 years since Kaka's last win in 2007.

However they still play good football, their only barrier is the ever increasing emergence of stars in different countries and the efforts they also put in the pitch. Awardees are given equal rights to win depending on the performances in their name, not just about nativity.

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Quote from: blomen on October 31, 2024, 10:12:23 AM

2024 - Rodri (Spain), Manchester City (England)
2023 - Lionel Messi (Argentina), Inter Miami (USA)
2022 - Karim Benzema (France), Real Madrid (Spain)
2021 - Lionel Messi (Argentina), Paris Saint-Germain (France)
2020 - Award not given (due to the pandemic)
2019 - Lionel Messi (Argentina), Barcelona (Spain)
2018 - Luka Modrić (Croatia), Real Madrid (Spain)
2017 - Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal), Real Madrid (Spain)
2016 - Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal), Real Madrid (Spain)
2015 - Lionel Messi (Argentina), Barcelona (Spain)
2014 - Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal), Real Madrid (Spain)
2013 - Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal), Real Madrid (Spain)
2012 - Lionel Messi (Argentina), Barcelona (Spain)
2011 - Lionel Messi (Argentina), Barcelona (Spain)
2010 - Lionel Messi (Argentina), Barcelona (Spain)
2009 - Lionel Messi (Argentina), Barcelona (Spain)
2008 - Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal), Manchester United (England)
2007 - Kaká (Brazil), Milan (Italy)
2006 - Fabio Cannavaro (Italy), Real Madrid (Spain)
2005 - Ronaldinho (Brazil), Barcelona (Spain)

This just shows the complete decline that Brazilian football is in, the last best player in the world was Kaká almost 20 years ago. I think the award given to Rodri was fair, Vinicius is not yet a complete player and responding to the OP, I think it is very difficult for 100 people to think the same way, there may even be some prejudice but specific cases that may not even interfere in the final result. There are 100 people voting... if Rodri won it was because he deserved it.

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Quote from: Reatim on October 30, 2024, 07:25:59 AM

It has been said that the winner is decided by 100 journalists each picking their top 10 players of the year. Is it possible that these journalists may be affected by some personal bias or patriotism? How objective is this award and is this deciding method really the best?

The journalists are humans who can as well have personal Interests based on their own views of the players performance that is why these journalists can not be in 100% same views.

Perhaps they gives their remarks based on individual views meaning if we have to put them in considerations then it is assumed their choice of deserved candidates per player could be biased since out ofthe100 journalists would vote on different players.

Making it Short, they are not perfect as some users here has said so some would work based on strict facts to whom they believe that deserves it while some would compromised the reality fact.

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An award known as the Ballon d'Or is usually given annually to the best striker who has contributed to the national team as well as a club in Europe. Basically this award is very prestigious for a star as this award proves that he is the best player of the year in which he gets the award. Every year after the awarding of the Ballon d'Or, there is a lot of discussion and criticism because the general audience or the general football fans make their own predictions to win the Ballon d'Or but the committee does not announce the winner of the Ballon d'Or as per the wishes of the football lovers.
It happened this year because everyone thought Vinicius Jr. would get the Ballon d'Or this season, but it didn't happen.

Vinicius was leading the vote results since few months ago so that's why some of media has been speculate that Vinicius will be the winner of this year but since October seems Vinicius and Real Madrid know his final position for voting count on second place so that's why Real Madrid has decide not to send their representatives because the winner is not Vinicius but Rodri

If we talking about Ballon d'Or winners lists indeed it was dominated by attacking players and i don't know sure what is the criteria why Ballon d'Or dominated by the players on that position and before Rodri the last midfielder who can win this award is Luca Modric on 2018 and Rodri also became the first Manchester City player to win the Ballon d'Or and he also became the second Spanish player to win the award after Luis Suarez on 1960

There is no doubt that Vinicius Jr. has performed brilliantly for Real Madrid but he has been a victim of racism several times in Europe which is why he has protested so much against racism which may be the reason behind him not winning the Ballon d'Or. Since everything a player considers when it comes to scoring a ball dur, one aspect he may have always held back is his inability to control his temper. Vinicius Jr. is often seen getting into arguments with opposing players though there must be reasons behind it. But as a quality player, he must not be treated aggressively. He may have come very close to winning the Ballon d'Or this season and he may be realizing his mistakes in not winning the Ballon d'Or so he must be careful going forward.

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To be nominated for the Ballon d'Or does require skill. But to win, it must be through voting. So, no matter how great and great his achievements are, if only a few people vote, he will not win. That's the bad thing about the voting system.

It's about voting. There are too many Real Madrid candidates in the top 10. Their votes are divided. Meanwhile, Rodri has never lost every time he is on the field. The impact of his presence on the field is greater.

I also read that France Football Editor-in-Chief Vincent Garcia emphasized that the reason the Brazilian striker did not win was because the jury was divided in choosing the best from Real Madrid. Some chose Carvajal and Bellingham who also shone last season. So, it's natural that Vini did not get the Ballon D'Or and the winner was Rodri who did not have many representatives from Man City so his votes were not divided. Imo

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on October 31, 2024, 09:01:30 PM

An award known as the Ballon d'Or is usually given annually to the best striker who has contributed to the national team as well as a club in Europe. Basically this award is very prestigious for a star as this award proves that he is the best player of the year in which he gets the award. Every year after the awarding of the Ballon d'Or, there is a lot of discussion and criticism because the general audience or the general football fans make their own predictions to win the Ballon d'Or but the committee does not announce the winner of the Ballon d'Or as per the wishes of the football lovers.
It happened this year because everyone thought Vinicius Jr. would get the Ballon d'Or this season, but it didn't happen.

Vinicius was leading the vote results since few months ago so that's why some of media has been speculate that Vinicius will be the winner of this year but since October seems Vinicius and Real Madrid know his final position for voting count on second place so that's why Real Madrid has decide not to send their representatives because the winner is not Vinicius but Rodri

If we talking about Ballon d'Or winners lists indeed it was dominated by attacking players and i don't know sure what is the criteria why Ballon d'Or dominated by the players on that position and before Rodri the last midfielder who can win this award is Luca Modric on 2018 and Rodri also became the first Manchester City player to win the Ballon d'Or and he also became the second Spanish player to win the award after Luis Suarez on 1960

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Quote from: stompix on October 30, 2024, 08:31:02 AM

Vini lost because he has a garbage attitude on the field, that's why , they couldn't simply give him the title when there is no match where he doesn't quarrel with the referee the other players and so on!

There's nothing about his character, it has to do with the fact that he merits the award. Got me thinking that even if they decided not to give Vini, what about Dani Cavarjal? He won it all last season, yes? The champions league competition, scored during the finals, won la liga, won the European championship with spain, say no more man. I feel like they be having underground issues with Real Madrid all because they be wanting these super league speculated to begin soon. I love Rodri, he was effective for Manchester City, won trophies but I feel like Vinicius deserves it more. Hopefully Vini gets motivated with this p.

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Quote from: Reatim on October 30, 2024, 07:25:59 AM

In light of recent events, this got me curious.

We know that Ballon d’Or was recently held and they have decided to crown Rodiri as the winner. Now, I don’t want to hear whether he deserved it or not or should it have been vini. This post is not to discuss that but, I want to know if this award really is objective and reflective of the best performing athlete in terms of football.

It has been said that the winner is decided by 100 journalists each picking their top 10 players of the year. Is it possible that these journalists may be affected by some personal bias or patriotism? How objective is this award and is this deciding method really the best?

Anything that is widely condemned should be deemed faulty most times, the criticism of this Ballon d'Or's winner is too loud this time and it is disgraceful, to say the least. This is why some people do not appreciate some titles anymore because the holders may not deserve it, so what is the point? The present jury guys are the most unpredictable I've ever known since I've been following football. This is not about people's sentiment but what is obvious in the sight of the majority. FIFA and the so-called panel/jury are now sentimental and political, they don't appreciate true talent again, that is what I can say right now. This is not the first time the deserving player has been robbed, even Messi was not worth the last one he won. It's all about humans pleasing themselves which is not fair.

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In the past few years when Ronaldo became player who often received the Ballon d'Or, it was indeed time of objective selection because Ronaldo performance was also very good and he was always star for his country and the team he defended for European football.
But over time many people do not really believe in the selection, even many doubt each winner whether it is really transparent and fair selection or not, moreover it is not really visible that every journalist from each country chooses anyone in the 10 candidates submitted, what is clear is that the belief in neutrality at the Ballon d'Or ceremony is widely questioned.

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An award known as the Ballon d'Or is usually given annually to the best striker who has contributed to the national team as well as a club in Europe. Basically this award is very prestigious for a star as this award proves that he is the best player of the year in which he gets the award. Every year after the awarding of the Ballon d'Or, there is a lot of discussion and criticism because the general audience or the general football fans make their own predictions to win the Ballon d'Or but the committee does not announce the winner of the Ballon d'Or as per the wishes of the football lovers.
It happened this year because everyone thought Vinicius Jr. would get the Ballon d'Or this season, but it didn't happen.

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Quote from: Reatim on October 30, 2024, 07:25:59 AM

In light of recent events, this got me curious.

We know that Ballon d’Or was recently held and they have decided to crown Rodiri as the winner. Now, I don’t want to hear whether he deserved it or not or should it have been vini. This post is not to discuss that but, I want to know if this award really is objective and reflective of the best performing athlete in terms of football.

It has been said that the winner is decided by 100 journalists each picking their top 10 players of the year. Is it possible that these journalists may be affected by some personal bias or patriotism? How objective is this award and is this deciding method really the best?

Generally, this sometimes does not naturally represent the opinion of the majority, fast -forward back into 2010 Ballon d'Or winners, Wesley sneijder were no way the winner. A good systems should be deployed in other to get a true reflection of votes supporters and fans of this players view or choice. If things should go this way henceforth, it means the objective of this award is gradually changing if it does not reflect the true choice of fans, irrespective of the fact that people have different views on player of choice. If a good system of voting is in place, it will definitely do well to try to reflect the supporters true choice.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on October 31, 2024, 12:30:22 PM

The Ballon d'Or has never been objective and never will be.

Indeed. There is no way to make it objective. The Ballon d'Or is surely a subjective title.

Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on October 31, 2024, 12:30:22 PM

I don’t agree with players winning the award based on journalists’ votes, and I think a fair method needs to be discussed. We've often seen journalists act emotionally in their voting over the years.

I don't really understand about the vote mechanism. But this way may be most reasonable way to determine the winner. Do you have an idea to make it more objective? What vote method do you suggest?

In my own view, the name shouldn't be Ballon d'Or but favorite player title (based on journalist perspective).

Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on October 31, 2024, 12:30:22 PM

In the past the award was only given to Messi and Ronaldo, even though other players deserved to win it.

The award is mostly given to Messi. Ronaldo won it when Messi experienced bad season only. I think it is reasonable if Messi and Ronaldo won the most award because these players are the most popular players at that time. They also always showed great performance in each season.

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Quote from: blomen on October 31, 2024, 10:12:23 AM

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There is still debate as to whether Messi really deserved the award in 2023, some argue that the simple fact that he won the World Cup was a big reason for him to win the award.

In my opinion, what made this Ballon d'Or event gain so much notoriety in this 21st decade was the fact that great players like Ronaldinho, Messi and CR7 won the Ballon d'Or so many times (especially the latter two).

I remember that in 2010 Snejder had a great World Cup, but the one who won the award was L. Messi, despite not having had a good World Cup that year, generating controversy with some accusing this event of only awarding super popular players.

In short, i agree with some annual awards and disagree with some.

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Offcourse it's not objective. Maybe more objective than Miss Universe contest, but still, it's popularity contest. It's almost impossible to win this award if you're goalkeeper or defender. Remember that how contraversial it was when Iniesta or Snejder didn't won Ballon d’Or just because you had to be Messi or C. Ronaldo to win it.
In recent years some changes to make it more objective. Previously all FIFA member countries were allowed to vote, now your country have to be TOP 100 in FIFA ranking to be able to vote. But still, it's popularity contest and there always will be people who aren't happy about results.
And I don't really like that some people are trying to put racism factor here because it's just ridiculous.

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The Ballon d'Or has never been objective and never will be.I don’t agree with players winning the award based on journalists’ votes, and I think a fair method needs to be discussed. We've often seen journalists act emotionally in their voting over the years. In the past the award was only given to Messi and Ronaldo, even though other players deserved to win it.

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