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June 01, 2017, 08:42:15 AM
It is money from the moment you can buy anything with them.
           The only problem I see is the volatility it has, Will not leave a massive adoption.
Not entirely true, there are many people that do barter, and buying something through barter does not mean that the services or products you get through other services and products are money, in the show pawn stars that happens sometimes, someone wants to sell something and in exchange instead of taking the money they accept another product.
It seems to me that it's a waste to pay bitcoin to buy something right now. I expect prices to rise several times at all and then there will be many more opportunities.

Yes, if you have others forms of money in fiat and can save the bitcoins now, then save it as bitcoins will be very highly priced soon.
And as for the OP question, Bitcoin is money and nothing else.
that is a fact that saving bitcoin in current position specially for long long time will be more and more profitable. as we have better examples from the the past that people who saved bitcoin some years before when the price of bitcoin was very cheap they really make good profit. but still we have the chance to make good profit by saving bitcoin for long long time.
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June 01, 2017, 08:31:04 AM
I do not consider gold to be money.  You can't go and buy most goods and services with gold.  Gold is a commodity, dollars are money.

Dollars are currency, not money.  Money can be a currency and vice versa, but they are not quite the same thing and not entirely interchangable.  And fiat currencies are, by thier very definition, not money.  Gold, in our modern world, is still money even though it's no longer a currency.

We're using different definitions then.  By your definition Bitcoins are not a currency, since I can't use them for most transactions. 


How did you get that out of what I wrote?  I didn't even attempt to define what a currency was, I only stated that fiat currency was not, and it isn't.  Trying to have a conversation with a person who tells me what I mean to say is always a futile endeavor.

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What makes gold money?  What property does it have that, say, plutonium, does not?

Off the top of my head, gold is safe for handling.  To be precise, I should say gold is a good money, because it has all of the characteristics of an ideal money to some degree or another...

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article10370.html

"Aristotle on good money

Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC) was a Greek philosopher, a student of Plato and teacher of Alexander the Great. Aristotle discovered, formulated, and analyzed the problem of commensurability. He wondered how ratios for a fair exchange of heterogeneous things could be set. He searched for a principle that makes it possible to equate what is apparently unequal and non-comparable.

Aristotle says that money, as a common measure of everything, makes things commensurable and makes it possible to equalize them. He states that it is in the form of money, a substance that has a telos (purpose), that individuals have devised a unit that supplies a measure on the basis of which just exchange can take place. Aristotle thus maintains that everything can be expressed in the universal equivalent of money. He explains that money was introduced to satisfy the requirement that all items exchanged must be comparable in some way.

Within such frame work, Aristotle defined the characteristics of a good form of money:

1.) It must be durable. Money must stand the test of time and the elements. It must not fade, corrode, or change through time.

2.) It must be portable. Money hold a high amount of 'worth' relative to its weight and size.

3.) It must be divisible. Money should be relatively easy to separate and re-combine without affecting its fundamental characteristics. An extension of this idea is that the item should be 'fungible'. Dictionary.com describes fungible as:

"(esp. of goods) being of such nature or kind as to be freely exchangeable or replaceable, in whole or in part, for another of like nature or kind."

4.) It must have intrinsic value. This value of money should be independent of any other object and contained in the money itself.

(snip)

Fiat Currency

Money must be a good store of value by definition.

Fiat paper currencies are popular at times since they are convenient and can be created at will to please the public. However fiat money fails the all important "intrinsic value" test, as its value is solely derived from legal tender laws. The compliance of such law rests on the credibility and strength of the issuing authority. As we know government and political factions can rise and fall faster than pop stars in some cases. It's no surprise that no fiat money has ever survived through time, and they can never be viable money regardless of technological breakthroughs or other human advances."

(end excerpt)

Bitcoin is a currency because it can be, and is intended to be, used as a medium unit of exchange.  Yet it does not require the legal backing of any government; so it is not fiat.  Nor does it, presently, have any attribute that would imply a market value outside of the context of it's intended use as a medium of exchange.  As has been noted in other threads, Bitcoin is most like a LETS for the Internet, but even that analogy has it's faults.

I think bitcoin is money. Bitcoin is electronic and digital money that you can use in different transaction like paying bills and many more. I guess there some store accept bitcoin as payment of their costumer so I agree that bitcoin is a money.
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June 01, 2017, 07:26:41 AM
I think yes. Because Bitcoin is used as a similar method of money. And as far as I know it's a great payment method.
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June 01, 2017, 07:15:07 AM
From my point of view, bitcoin is not a money in all perspective but in some cases bitcoin as like as money. If all countries allow bitcoin as a payment tools then it would be as like as money,  though some countries are taking consideration to get permission using as a currency. Then there will be no difference between money and bitcoin.😀
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June 01, 2017, 07:12:03 AM
Yes it is a digital money.  Smiley Because it have it's own price, can be used in a lot of shops, online casinos etc. same as fiat money. So why bitcoin is not money? It is money as we can buy something for it.

Exactly, when we use bitcoin as a money than what is different in bitcoin and money. All over the world now accept bitcoin as a money and we could use it like fiat money, instead of it then people ask Is Bitcoin a Money or Not?
Then it seem like a nonsense, If one thing we use as a money then what is problem to accept it a money. Bitcoin is digital currency and it has no fisical appearance, that's why we are using it online to online. Otherwise no different between Money and Bitcoin.
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June 01, 2017, 07:00:28 AM
It is money from the moment you can buy anything with them.
           The only problem I see is the volatility it has, Will not leave a massive adoption.
Not entirely true, there are many people that do barter, and buying something through barter does not mean that the services or products you get through other services and products are money, in the show pawn stars that happens sometimes, someone wants to sell something and in exchange instead of taking the money they accept another product.
It seems to me that it's a waste to pay bitcoin to buy something right now. I expect prices to rise several times at all and then there will be many more opportunities.

Yes, if you have others forms of money in fiat and can save the bitcoins now, then save it as bitcoins will be very highly priced soon.
And as for the OP question, Bitcoin is money and nothing else.

Agree holding bitcoin is really nice strategy for the future instances. On the other side yes it is a money because first it could be used to buy an item wether it is virtual goods or not, next is we can make it a physical money by exchanging it and also buy it in real world and last bitcoin has a value so yes it is really a money
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June 01, 2017, 06:55:00 AM
Bitcoin is a commodity and money at the same time. Money is defined as any item or verifiable record that is generally accepted as payment for goods and services and repayment of debts in a particular country or socio-economic context. And commodities are marketable items produced to satisfy wants or needs. often the item is fungible.
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June 01, 2017, 05:58:34 AM
It is money from the moment you can buy anything with them.
           The only problem I see is the volatility it has, Will not leave a massive adoption.
Not entirely true, there are many people that do barter, and buying something through barter does not mean that the services or products you get through other services and products are money, in the show pawn stars that happens sometimes, someone wants to sell something and in exchange instead of taking the money they accept another product.
It seems to me that it's a waste to pay bitcoin to buy something right now. I expect prices to rise several times at all and then there will be many more opportunities.

Yes, if you have others forms of money in fiat and can save the bitcoins now, then save it as bitcoins will be very highly priced soon.
And as for the OP question, Bitcoin is money and nothing else.

Better make sure to diversify. Some funds in crypto;btc,waves and eth, some funds in stock and some funds in savings.

If you are really smart make sure to have funds in gold too in case of a fiat crash.
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June 01, 2017, 05:42:46 AM
It is money from the moment you can buy anything with them.
           The only problem I see is the volatility it has, Will not leave a massive adoption.
Not entirely true, there are many people that do barter, and buying something through barter does not mean that the services or products you get through other services and products are money, in the show pawn stars that happens sometimes, someone wants to sell something and in exchange instead of taking the money they accept another product.
It seems to me that it's a waste to pay bitcoin to buy something right now. I expect prices to rise several times at all and then there will be many more opportunities.

Yes, if you have others forms of money in fiat and can save the bitcoins now, then save it as bitcoins will be very highly priced soon.
And as for the OP question, Bitcoin is money and nothing else.
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June 01, 2017, 05:36:33 AM
Yes..because anything that is used as a medium of exchange is considered as money like golds,silver etc. .But unlike the real money it is just a digital currency or virtual currency.
Even it is just a virtual currency we can still take an advantage of that feature because it means easy to use and very convenient way to store our money rather than in just banks that has very cheap rates to grow your money. Bitcoin is the next type of money that will dominate the world's market and will be the new kind of payment very soon.
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June 01, 2017, 12:35:17 AM
Yes..because anything that is used as a medium of exchange is considered as money like golds,silver etc. .But unlike the real money it is just a digital currency or virtual currency.
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June 01, 2017, 12:07:48 AM
    Bitcoin is something radically new. Nothing like Bitcoin has been possible until now. I would go so far as to consider it sui generis; "in its own class".  This makes it important to understand what Bitcoin actually is before we try to describe it to others.

    We're getting a good handle on the code, and of course on Bitcoin's function and utility, but what words should we use to describe Bitcoin itself? There has been some debate in other threads [mostly my doing] over how it is like/not like money, cash, dollars, etc. I'd like to start this thread by focusing on the term "money", and play Devil's avocate by asking for your best arguments that Bitcoin IS money.

    My legal dictionary states "In usual and ordinary acceptation it [money] means gold, silver, or paper money, used as circulating medium of exchange, and does not embrace notes, bonds, evidences of debt, or other personal or real estate." [cites omitted]

    Wikipedia says "Money is any object that is generally accepted as payment for goods and services and repayment of debts in a given country or socio-economic context. The main functions of money are distinguished as: a medium of exchange; a unit of account; a store of value; and, occasionally, a standard of deferred payment." [cited omitted]

    Webster's Online Dictionary defines money as:
    • 1. The most common medium of exchange; functions as legal tender; "we tried to collect the money he owed us".
    • 2. Wealth reckoned in terms of money; "all his money is in real estate".
    • 3. The official currency issued by a government or national bank; "he changed his money into francs".
    • 4. A piece of metal, as gold, silver, copper, etc., coined, or stamped, and issued by the sovereign authority as a medium of exchange in financial transactions between citizens and with government; also, any number of such pieces; coin.
    • 5. Any written or stamped promise, certificate, or order, as a government note, a bank note, a certificate of deposit, etc., which is payable in standard coined money and is lawfully current in lieu of it; in a comprehensive sense, any currency usually and lawfully employed in buying and selling.
    • 6. In general, wealth; property; as, he has much money in land, or in stocks; to make, or lose, money.
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    I maintain that per these definitions, Bitcoin cannot possibly be described as "money". And further, I think that those who do describe Bitcoin as "money" are doing this community a disservice.

    But that is just my point of view. Are there any that can convincingly argue otherwise, that Bitcoin IS money?





    I guess bitcoin is money. Bitcoin is electronic or digital money in online. It’s money because you can use it in any kind of transaction such as paying bills, shopping in online wallet and many more. I think some store in the world accept bitcoin as a payment of their costumer so I think bitcoin is a money.
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    May 31, 2017, 06:11:38 PM
    Yes it is a digital money.  Smiley Because it have it's own price, can be used in a lot of shops, online casinos etc. same as fiat money. So why bitcoin is not money? It is money as we can buy something for it.
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    May 31, 2017, 06:03:33 PM
    Well I guess that subject of bitcoin as a money has already proven and with a common sense, I can say to a point that bitcoin is money. It's a money because it can be used as a mode of payment on particular services offered online, that include mobile load buying, bills payments and a lot of options that's coming soon at coins.ph website; the bitcoin wallet I had right now. So to be more specific regarding bitcoin, the impression as a bitcoin money due to it's versatility, that it can also be a sources of another currency to exchanged as fiat cash money. That's the very transparent proof of bitcoin as a money and those mentioned were just some of the descriptions mentioned, there's still to be mentioned in the future thread replies.
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    May 31, 2017, 05:58:20 PM
    It is money from the moment you can buy anything with them.
               The only problem I see is the volatility it has, Will not leave a massive adoption.
    Not entirely true, there are many people that do barter, and buying something through barter does not mean that the services or products you get through other services and products are money, in the show pawn stars that happens sometimes, someone wants to sell something and in exchange instead of taking the money they accept another product.
    It seems to me that it's a waste to pay bitcoin to buy something right now. I expect prices to rise several times at all and then there will be many more opportunities.
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    May 31, 2017, 04:27:27 PM
    It is money from the moment you can buy anything with them.
               The only problem I see is the volatility it has, Will not leave a massive adoption.
    Not entirely true, there are many people that do barter, and buying something through barter does not mean that the services or products you get through other services and products are money, in the show pawn stars that happens sometimes, someone wants to sell something and in exchange instead of taking the money they accept another product.
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    May 26, 2017, 01:43:02 PM
    I think bitcoin is a digital currency, which has fairly easy transactions to some countries
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    May 26, 2017, 01:29:42 PM
    it is convertible to fiat money therefore I would consider it money in anyway. even if it's a digital currency it still is money and therefore value, money is anything that has value in my opinion.
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    May 26, 2017, 12:24:35 PM
    Yes bitcoin is an electronic money. Some stores in the Philippines already used  bitcoin in change of the product that they are selling. I believe that in the future the bitcoin will have a good destiny and it will be used as a money currency in our country and many people will discover and use bitcoin for a wise and good money.

    Bitcoin is a digital currency, there are some confusions but currency and money have different meanings, money and currency are different. Currency is the paper money that is usually used, being paid on stores, saved on our wallet or getting it on an ATM machine. Money, is more like silvers and golds, in the earlier stages, pearls and other things are used to pay. I just hope bitcoin is widely accepted here in our country, but I can't blame people not knowing bitcoin, we're on a third world country.
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    May 26, 2017, 12:19:01 PM
    I consider it a currency, since it can be used to buy goods and services directly, HOWEVER the point it's a commodity is decent to an extent as well, considering it's value isn't stable and it is usually exchanged prior to any purchase (to an exchange of USD or other currencies value and not directly).
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