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December 08, 2014, 02:16:48 PM
#49

Isn't $5 trillion too much?

I tried searching for the USD money supply. According to this article on howstuffworks.com, the money supply (M0) in the US last year was $1.2 trillion.
I guess the money supply today won't be too different.
http://money.howstuffworks.com/how-much-money-is-in-the-world.htm


Do we need Bitcoin's market to be 4 times the US money supply before stability is attained?

I think you should compare bitcoin more to M2 than to M0.  The reason is that bitcoin is already "bank accounts" and "saving accounts", and that there won't be fractional banking with bitcoin (there will always be a difference between 'true' bitcoins - those on the blockchain - and any stuff that looks like bitcoins but are just debt expressed in bitcoin.  Only a fiat system, or a system where "real" money is stored and "certificates of money" are circulating allow for a confusion of both, and allow for fractional banking.
As you cannot loan out bitcoins, and keep them nevertheless simultaneously on your wallet, there can be no double-counting of coins (as it is with fiat money on bank accounts).

Which means that what we use as M2 money, will have to be supported by all of bitcoin if bitcoin is to replace fiat.

World-wide (all fiat money included, not just dollars), this is estimated to be equivalent to something like $ 55 trillion I thought.
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December 08, 2014, 01:38:47 PM
#48
Do users actually want BTC to be stable?

Yes. As a currency it's not very good currently. Sure I'd like it to rise a bit at first but I'd rather it remain stable more than anything.
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December 08, 2014, 12:47:31 PM
#47
Do users actually want BTC to be stable?
I don't think so. I think that many users make money on the BTC price fluctuations and stability of BTC price deprive them of this opportunity
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December 08, 2014, 08:05:47 AM
#46
Do users actually want BTC to be stable?
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December 08, 2014, 04:22:53 AM
#45
need more adoption, and more bitcoin spread away, less enormous amount on the hands of a few early adopters, less manipulation

until then yes it is too volatile
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December 07, 2014, 11:55:33 PM
#44
Once it hits $5 trillion a day volume it will be stable

Isn't $5 trillion too much?

I tried searching for the USD money supply. According to this article on howstuffworks.com, the money supply (M0) in the US last year was $1.2 trillion.
I guess the money supply today won't be too different.
http://money.howstuffworks.com/how-much-money-is-in-the-world.htm


Do we need Bitcoin's market to be 4 times the US money supply before stability is attained?
The size of forex
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December 07, 2014, 10:48:33 PM
#43
Once it hits $5 trillion a day volume it will be stable

Isn't $5 trillion too much?

I tried searching for the USD money supply. According to this article on howstuffworks.com, the money supply (M0) in the US last year was $1.2 trillion.
I guess the money supply today won't be too different.
http://money.howstuffworks.com/how-much-money-is-in-the-world.htm


Do we need Bitcoin's market to be 4 times the US money supply before stability is attained?
legendary
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December 07, 2014, 01:57:24 AM
#42
Once it hits $5 trillion a day volume it will be stable
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December 07, 2014, 01:55:44 AM
#41
The problem is the small market cap. Every sale of a Bitcoin whale (I mean four digit amounts of Bitcoins) ends in a dicrease of the price + panic sales etc. If we'd have a stable fundament we wouldn't have such a high variability and volatility...
As of now, I would like to treat it as an alternative currency where you can save on the fees, plus it is also readily available online. Although the usage might be limited on what you can do or purchase using it but certainly things are improving. On the question whether it will fully replace dollar someday remains a big question mark and seriously the volatility issue need to be sorted out first as this will be the major factor that pose a huddle or barrier towards mass bitcoin adoption.
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December 06, 2014, 12:14:58 PM
#40
The problem is the small market cap. Every sale of a Bitcoin whale (I mean four digit amounts of Bitcoins) ends in a dicrease of the price + panic sales etc. If we'd have a stable fundament we wouldn't have such a high variability and volatility...
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December 06, 2014, 11:50:27 AM
#39
funny thing is that now bitcoin isn't volatile at all, but with a bad price i suppose, first they said that it's volatile then when it is volatile they said the price is bad, they want everything...
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December 06, 2014, 11:16:12 AM
#38
You can get bitGOLD here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--883998
BitGold has the price stability of Gold and it's a crypto currency without counterparty risk.
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December 06, 2014, 10:05:33 AM
#37
When BTC is used more in daily life, it will be less volatile.
jobs jobs jobs
We need real jobs being paid on btc so the economy flows
No one wants to exchange their fiat for btc to buy commodities except excentric early adopter nerds.
jobs!!
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December 05, 2014, 11:54:11 AM
#36
Like what you've said it yourself due to the volatility it's better to treat it as an investment rather than a currency. Until the price settles down I guess we just have to accept it. There is no way businesses are going to take the risk to hold on to bitcoin after the sales of items as sometimes their profit margin is too low to accept the volatility price change
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December 03, 2014, 12:31:48 PM
#35
When BTC is used more in daily life, it will be less volatile.
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December 02, 2014, 10:47:47 AM
#34
Yes but it gives a chance to brokers to earn more but the possibility of huge loss.
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December 01, 2014, 08:55:18 PM
#33
An yes, to answer OP's original question and the main topic:

Yes, Bitcoin is too volatile to be used as currency. Shit, not even the Russian Ruble behaves like this.

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December 01, 2014, 08:41:54 PM
#32
It is volatile now because it is still to discover its true value (which I hope will be a million dollars)
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November 30, 2014, 06:48:57 PM
#31
All currencies have times of stability and instability.

For sure there were 100% currencies which has gained or lost more per day than BTC ever did.

Problem of BTC is fast appreciation, which of course can not occur like 1% per day. If everyone knew some currency or protocurrency would gain 1% per day, then why not buy a lot today and wait? And this would cause bubbles. And this is what happens with BTC IMO.

How will BTC behave in future, if it becomes real currency is unknown. On one side it does not suffer from unpredictable monetary policy, which should be argument for higher stability. On the other side there are many economists from the other side that say that wild market will mean less stability, because of the absence of the monetary policy that can stabilize markets as well.

Anyways people lived in volatile times of hyperinflation and unstability and it was not a big problem. Of course the society that must adjust to unstable world is different. I think that BTC economy might be very stable. So stable that people will not like it. Such as deflationary economies are.
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November 30, 2014, 05:11:33 PM
#30
Is bitcoin too volatile? a little a littl ^^ but i prefer this  to a fixing for exemple ... 
Bitcoin is a "true" market  and is a good thing even if somes rules it .. whalleess!
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