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hero member
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I fully acknowledge that all of my previous presented graphics indeed show a decentralised state of the cryptocurrency named Dash.
I also acknowledge that this will never be accepted by certain competing cryptocurrencies, who will try their best to devalue this decentralised state of Dash. Unfortunetely for them they
will need to try a little bit harder as it is not really working for them.
 

You did not even answer his critique as he made a solid argument. He got a point.... bringing up the competition only weakens your point further. "Dont listen to what they tell, because they come from Monero and are only jealous and i dont need to answer that".
sr. member
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For those that are interested in Dash, come check out all the amazing things we are delivering using our self-funded model. Our budgeting system allows the network itself to fund its own growth through the blockchain. Here is the latest proposal just submitted to the network requesting funding. This is far superior to having a destitute foundation, no incentivized infrastructure, etc. At Dash, we are funding ALL of the network's needs, NOT just mining. The obvious value of this capability is made possible by its unique structure.

Plus it's built on the Bitcoin code, which is proven. That's important as ever as the DAO has demontrated. Meanwhile, Dash has operated as a DAO since April 2015 without a hiccup and effective governance.

Proposal: Infrastructure - Basic Needs

https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/proposal-infrastructure-basic-needs.9207/
legendary
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Memory refreshment for trolls forgetting about my first post on page 1 :

* Pls discuss if you think Dash will indeed be a better alternative to Bitcoin
* Pls discuss this with rationality and motify your response
* pls have some respect for both the cryptocurrency and its community. accusations of scam towards Dash will not be tolerated in this self-moderated topic, there are enough of those out there already !


*It's not

*Because it can't be objectively considered decentralized

Still relevant:

Dash's failure at trustless decentralization is the test case that formed my understanding of why trustless decentralization is necessary for any cryptocurrency to succeed at being disruptive. Dash's failure is that it built a centralizing flaw that aggregates coins to those who run nodes and layering power functions (votes, fees, privacy, etc...) onto these nodes.

Dash's nodes have two major weaknesses in design: first, they are pay based, or paynodes, which means that they can be bought and sold. The second flaw in design is that they collect fees, which means node holders collect money that in turn can be used to buy more nodes that in turn can collect more fees, and so on and so forth. Where this especially becomes troubling is that dash's launch produced 2 million coins in 2 days and this initial distribution cannot be verified to be fairly distributed, which means the resources to buy 2000 nodes (more than half of current existing at this writing) were made available to a few lucky guys who happened to be mining at that right moment--considering this is 30% of current distribution and given that they could have bought 2000 or more masternodes since that scheme was introduced, the number of masternodes these initial miners could have may be considerably more than 30%, and considering that this control can aggregate over time, it illustrates why these systems need to be trustlessly verified.

I apologize for all the numbers just thrown at you, but lets make it simpler, since the masternode system collects the revenue that determines its degree of centralization, and that centralization can't be verified to any statistical certainty, we should assume that it is increasingly trending towards a traditional oligarchy or monarchy, where one or a few have undue power over the entire system--how it behaves, the distribution and security of its benefits.



Also, if you, yourself, want to adhere to rationality, please acknowledge that none of the graphics you presented in any way, shape or form, constitute proof of decentralization as anyone could own those nodes--I could own a thousand and those graphs would show it as 1000 separate nodes in 10 different countries (depending on the centralized hosting service I use).

I fully acknowledge that all of my previous presented graphics indeed show a decentralised state of the cryptocurrency named Dash.
I also acknowledge that this will never be accepted by certain competing cryptocurrencies, who will try their best to devalue this decentralised state of Dash. Unfortunetely for them they
will need to try a little bit harder as it is not really working for them.
 
legendary
Activity: 1750
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Facts are more efficient than fud
Memory refreshment for trolls forgetting about my first post on page 1 :

* Pls discuss if you think Dash will indeed be a better alternative to Bitcoin
* Pls discuss this with rationality and motify your response
* pls have some respect for both the cryptocurrency and its community. accusations of scam towards Dash will not be tolerated in this self-moderated topic, there are enough of those out there already !


*It's not

*Because it can't be objectively considered decentralized

Still relevant:

Dash's failure at trustless decentralization is the test case that formed my understanding of why trustless decentralization is necessary for any cryptocurrency to succeed at being disruptive. Dash's failure is that it built a centralizing flaw that aggregates coins to those who run nodes and layering power functions (votes, fees, privacy, etc...) onto these nodes.

Dash's nodes have two major weaknesses in design: first, they are pay based, or paynodes, which means that they can be bought and sold. The second flaw in design is that they collect fees, which means node holders collect money that in turn can be used to buy more nodes that in turn can collect more fees, and so on and so forth. Where this especially becomes troubling is that dash's launch produced 2 million coins in 2 days and this initial distribution cannot be verified to be fairly distributed, which means the resources to buy 2000 nodes (more than half of current existing at this writing) were made available to a few lucky guys who happened to be mining at that right moment--considering this is 30% of current distribution and given that they could have bought 2000 or more masternodes since that scheme was introduced, the number of masternodes these initial miners could have may be considerably more than 30%, and considering that this control can aggregate over time, it illustrates why these systems need to be trustlessly verified.

I apologize for all the numbers just thrown at you, but lets make it simpler, since the masternode system collects the revenue that determines its degree of centralization, and that centralization can't be verified to any statistical certainty, we should assume that it is increasingly trending towards a traditional oligarchy or monarchy, where one or a few have undue power over the entire system--how it behaves, the distribution and security of its benefits.



Also, if you, yourself, want to adhere to rationality, please acknowledge that none of the graphics you presented in any way, shape or form, constitute proof of decentralization as anyone could own those nodes--I could own a thousand and those graphs would show it as 1000 separate nodes in 10 different countries (depending on the centralized hosting service I use).
legendary
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14 China 0.68%

Hmm, seems your marketing need to go reach China somehow. Or maybe Chinese are just to smart for it.

Very observant, you have a keen eye sir. Let me just say that if the Chinese are smart enough to manufacture and deliver
X11 / Dash ASIC miners to our Dash community (https://www.dash.org/forum/topic/hardware-discussions-asic-gpu-cpu.101/)
i'm sure in time we will see a rise in masternodes from China there as well.
 
 

Selling picks and shovels is smarter than mining fools gold.

i will pass that on to our miners, but i'm not sure they will see it that way to be honest.
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
14 China 0.68%

Hmm, seems your marketing need to go reach China somehow. Or maybe Chinese are just to smart for it.

Very observant, you have a keen eye sir. Let me just say that if the Chinese are smart enough to manufacture and deliver
X11 / Dash ASIC miners to our Dash community (https://www.dash.org/forum/topic/hardware-discussions-asic-gpu-cpu.101/)
i'm sure in time we will see a rise in masternodes from China there as well.
 
 

Selling picks and shovels is smarter than mining fools gold.
legendary
Activity: 2548
Merit: 1245
Memory refreshment for trolls forgetting about my first post on page 1 :

* Pls discuss if you think Dash will indeed be a better alternative to Bitcoin
* Pls discuss this with rationality and motify your response
* pls have some respect for both the cryptocurrency and its community. accusations of scam towards Dash will not be tolerated in this self-moderated topic, there are enough of those out there already !
legendary
Activity: 2548
Merit: 1245
14 China 0.68%

Hmm, seems your marketing need to go reach China somehow. Or maybe Chinese are just to smart for it.

Very observant, you have a keen eye sir. Let me just say that if the Chinese are smart enough to manufacture and deliver
X11 / Dash ASIC miners to our Dash community (https://www.dash.org/forum/topic/hardware-discussions-asic-gpu-cpu.101/)
i'm sure in time we will see a rise in masternodes from China there as well.
 
 
legendary
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14 China 0.68%

Hmm, seems your marketing need to go reach China somehow. Or maybe Chinese are just to smart for it.
legendary
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Thanks guys for showing such an interest in my humble topic / thread, i appreciate it.
hero member
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Here is something masternodes currently vote over :

http://dashvotetracker.com/


Together with the decentralised budget Dash has become a DAO (Decentralised Autonomous Organisation)
way before Euthereum ever created The DAO

link : http://bitcoinist.net/dash-original-dao/

 

Decentralised Budget voted by Centralised People who hold the instamine
legendary
Activity: 1750
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Facts are more efficient than fud
Here is something masternodes currently vote over :

http://dashvotetracker.com/


Together with the decentralised budget Dash has become a DAO (Decentralised Autonomous Organisation)
way before Euthereum ever created The DAO

link : http://bitcoinist.net/dash-original-dao/

 

That's like bragging about creating the first date rape drug.
legendary
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Here is something masternodes currently vote over :

http://dashvotetracker.com/


Together with the decentralised budget Dash has become a DAO (Decentralised Autonomous Organisation)
way before Euthereum ever created The DAO

link : http://bitcoinist.net/dash-original-dao/

 
legendary
Activity: 1750
Merit: 1036
Facts are more efficient than fud
Relevant:

Dash's failure at trustless decentralization is the test case that formed my understanding of why trustless decentralization is necessary for any cryptocurrency to succeed at being disruptive. Dash's failure is that it built a centralizing flaw that aggregates coins to those who run nodes and layering power functions (votes, fees, privacy, etc...) onto these nodes.

Dash's nodes have two major weaknesses in design: first, they are pay based, or paynodes, which means that they can be bought and sold. The second flaw in design is that they collect fees, which means node holders collect money that in turn can be used to buy more nodes that in turn can collect more fees, and so on and so forth. Where this especially becomes troubling is that dash's launch produced 2 million coins in 2 days and this initial distribution cannot be verified to be fairly distributed, which means the resources to buy 2000 nodes (more than half of current existing at this writing) were made available to a few lucky guys who happened to be mining at that right moment--considering this is 30% of current distribution and given that they could have bought 2000 or more masternodes since that scheme was introduced, the number of masternodes these initial miners could have may be considerably more than 30%, and considering that this control can aggregate over time, illustrates why these systems need to be trustlessly verified.

I apologize for all the numbers just thrown at you, but lets make it simpler, since the masternode system collects the revenue that determines its degree of centralization, and that centralization can't be verified to any statistical certainty, we should assume that it is increasingly trending towards a traditional oligarchy or monarchy, where one or a few have undue power over the entire system--how it behaves, the distribution and security of its benefits.
legendary
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I'd also like to know if Dash is more vulnerable than other alt-coins for the use of masternode, and the consequence of a hacked masternode (or all masternodes).

Dash is running its masternode network almost three years now without any significant problems and with a steadily growing number of them :



Hacking a masternode accomplish nothing as the actual funds (the 1000 Dash as collateral for running a masternode) are not stored on these masternodes but on cold wallets.
All someone can do with a hacked masternode is vote over budget proposals for a short period of time before the owner changes his masternode pubkey / masternode privkey.

Also the 51% mining issue does not exists in the masternode network
hero member
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You graph still does not show how many persons hold those masternodes and what kind of % they have... decentral does not only mean location.

And the first image shows that the coin is in the hand of Asic Miners... very decentral too
legendary
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I guess it is time for some facts again, something trolls try to avoid and just hope it gets overlooked somehow (which it wont of course) :

Dash Miners Distribution :



Dash Masternode Geographical and Hosting Distribution :






Yep, the amount of Dash centralisation here really is just mind buggling isn't it ? Actually it is the misinformation and
poor quality of troll postings that is actually the mind buggling part. But in the end a troll gotta troll, i understand.
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
Is this some kind of a joke? The reliance of masternodes means Dash is a centralized piece of crap.

Ethrybody knows that
sr. member
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Is this some kind of a joke? The reliance of masternodes means Dash is a centralized piece of crap.
legendary
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SpectroCoin is proud to announce that by the mid-August SpectroCoin will fully support Dash cryptocurrency. That means that we will offer Dash wallet, Dash exchange, Dash debit card and Dash to fiat payment gateway for merchants.
https://blog.spectrocoin.com/2016/06/spectrocoin-to-support-dash-cryptocurrency/#more-258

Is SpectroCoin another alt coin, why it so compatible with Dash? sorry, I am losing track of so many different coins.

https://www.dashwhale.org/p/dash-debit-card

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This proposal is to suggest issuing of DASH debit card by integration of DASH to SpectroCoin.com wallet. The card will be both physical and virtual and will let DASH users to spend their holdings everywhere where MasterCard or Visa is accepted. We are managing the wallet since 2013 and we have been issuing debit cards for bitcoin users for more than a year. On top of this the integration would mean that DASH users will be able to exchange DASH to fiat, buy DASH, pay with DASH at our payment processor, so merchants could receive fiat as well as use Drupal, Magento, opencart, PrestaShop, WHMCS plug-ins.

http://www.coindesk.com/spectrocoin-takes-bitpay-europe-bitcoin-processing-solution/

Its basicly a debit card organisation that has its own wallet, exchange, debit card and can process crypto (Bitcoin and now also Dash) to FIAT and vice versa.
It can be compared to Coinbase in the US as an all-in-one solution but Spectrocoin seems more focussed on European markets.  

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