Is Donald Trump Independent ? - page 2.

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Quote from: MadGamer on November 11, 2016, 04:30:34 AM

Is it safe to say that Donald Trump "Make America great again" is Independent and not controlled by the elites (Rockfeller's , Rotchschild's etc.. ) or he is just like every other president the U.S had , a puppet ? If he is not then are we going to see the same end that JFK had ?

I think Donald Trump is very independent not like OBAMA that was control by the elites, and politicians such as Rothschild, Rockefeller, bill Clinton and those that control the media. Trump will definitely going to be the best president American ever produced.

Eventually, we will stop believing in monolithic evil for its own sake.

Also, hell to the no Trump is independent. He is following the ultra right/alt right playbook ATM, that's decidedly red. Trump has Russia as his master, and the corporate interest his administration serves (there is s reason why defunding the EPA was a campaign slogan). So we will strip away environmental regulations, and worker safeties, and promote coal. And we will lower corporate taxes. Sound familiar? It is. Old school Rebuplican textbook. This is trickle down economics, dusted off and cleaned up with a new label. A populist label.

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Quote from: MadGamer on November 11, 2016, 04:30:34 AM

Is it safe to say that Donald Trump "Make America great again" is Independent and not controlled by the elites (Rockfeller's , Rotchschild's etc.. ) or he is just like every other president the U.S had , a puppet ? If he is not then are we going to see the same end that JFK had ?

Independent his actions are to random and yet plotted to be an elite control.
Rather the switch has moved to a secondary group that said even if the President is independent their are still enough organizations that can be leveraged against him.
Either that or controlled but Stubborn like the honeybadger

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Quote from: MadGamer on November 11, 2016, 04:30:34 AM

Is it safe to say that Donald Trump "Make America great again" is Independent and not controlled by the elites (Rockfeller's , Rotchschild's etc.. ) or he is just like every other president the U.S had , a puppet ? If he is not then are we going to see the same end that JFK had ?

I think Donald Trump is very independent not like OBAMA that was control by the elites, and politicians such as Rothschild, Rockefeller, bill Clinton and those that control the media. Trump will definitely going to be the best president American ever produced.

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Quote from: The One on January 29, 2017, 10:01:35 AM

If Trump wants to shaft the elites. Abolish the national debt and save $444bn in interest and he will be a national hero.

It is not a viable option. Only a part of this debt is owned by the foreigners (around one-third). The remainder is owned by American individuals and tax payers. If Trump defaults on the repayment, then it will be the American citizens who are going to get the most affected.

It's the method of defaulting that matters. Most are owned by the rich elites so who cares.
Millionaires buy bonds so they can have a tax rebate. Therefore the working and the middle class are funding the public services.

May be. But if you are defaulting on your loan, then no one is going to buy your bonds the next time. You are paying 2% interest per year. Next time there will be no buyers even if you offer 20%. Look at Argentina. They tried the same a few years back.

Bonds are nothing but a scam. Money is created out of thin air and converted to bonds. Government can create the money itself and charge no interest. However i prefer no fake money at all.

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Quote from: noel2123 on January 30, 2017, 04:40:27 AM

We should first know who is President Trump first before accusing him. We know that President Trump is very strict or they call "stubborn" president, the way he rules the United States, the way he manages his cabinets, and the way he change the politics in United States. We should know the power or the knowledge of President Trump before suspecting him.

Trump could, and stubborn. but for me he is a senile old clown.....

Interesting, a man who beat the best candidates the Republicans could cough up in open debate....

I agree with the prior post, that "we should first know who is ..."

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Quote from: The One on January 30, 2017, 09:29:18 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 29, 2017, 10:58:52 PM

Quote from: The One on January 29, 2017, 10:01:35 AM

If Trump wants to shaft the elites. Abolish the national debt and save $444bn in interest and he will be a national hero.

It is not a viable option. Only a part of this debt is owned by the foreigners (around one-third). The remainder is owned by American individuals and tax payers. If Trump defaults on the repayment, then it will be the American citizens who are going to get the most affected.

It's the method of defaulting that matters. Most are owned by the rich elites so who cares.
Millionaires buy bonds so they can have a tax rebate. Therefore the working and the middle class are funding the public services.

May be. But if you are defaulting on your loan, then no one is going to buy your bonds the next time. You are paying 2% interest per year. Next time there will be no buyers even if you offer 20%. Look at Argentina. They tried the same a few years back.

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I don't think any president of the united states in this century has been truly independent, Trump may have more room to move because he is not a politician but he probably is still subject to some agreements he made to some people that supported his campaign.

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The Republicans will stick by Trump until the American people that is the Americans who voted for Trump turn against him. They dont want to feel the scorn of their supporters. It was clearly evident that the Big People in the Republican Party never wanted Trump to win but should they turn against him, They are going to lose massively in the next decade.

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Quote from: noel2123 on January 30, 2017, 04:40:27 AM

We should first know who is President Trump first before accusing him. We know that President Trump is very strict or they call "stubborn" president, the way he rules the United States, the way he manages his cabinets, and the way he change the politics in United States. We should know the power or the knowledge of President Trump before suspecting him.

Trump could, and stubborn. but for me he is a senile old clown. He decided that a policy can act in ways as in showbiz. It is the policy of using the scandal. It helps him be the center of world news, but the country is a huge negative.

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How is defunding Obamacare and Abortion and also building a wall across the Mexican border beneficial to the Russians in any way. He is doing what got him elected. At least he is fulfilling the promises he made to those who voted for him how many Politicians can say that.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 29, 2017, 10:58:52 PM

Quote from: The One on January 29, 2017, 10:01:35 AM

If Trump wants to shaft the elites. Abolish the national debt and save $444bn in interest and he will be a national hero.

It is not a viable option. Only a part of this debt is owned by the foreigners (around one-third). The remainder is owned by American individuals and tax payers. If Trump defaults on the repayment, then it will be the American citizens who are going to get the most affected.

It's the method of defaulting that matters. Most are owned by the rich elites so who cares.
Millionaires buy bonds so they can have a tax rebate. Therefore the working and the middle class are funding the public services.

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Quote from: bra4our on January 30, 2017, 08:30:06 AM

President Trump was initially politically inclined to the Democrats but after the election of Obama, He shifted towards the Republicans. In this modern world its very difficult to be politically independent, Even though he funded most of his election, he is still answerable to members of his Party and other donors who helped him clinch the Presidency.

I see that Trump is acting in the interests of Russia. No one still haven't seen his Declaration. I think he hides it because he's bankrupt. And if so it means that he may well be dependent on Russia.

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President Trump was initially politically inclined to the Democrats but after the election of Obama, He shifted towards the Republicans. In this modern world its very difficult to be politically independent, Even though he funded most of his election, he is still answerable to members of his Party and other donors who helped him clinch the Presidency.

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No president can never be independent in the face of current political dispensation, then one really needs to factor in so many interest group into decision making because it is no longer me again, it is now the country in which some people will always want you to fail by all means and they will not stop until they achieve their objectives.

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Quote from: Sundark on January 25, 2017, 12:15:01 AM

It is hard to know what is going on behind the curtains, but it is safe to assume that Trump because of his wealth is the most independent candidate for POTUS we could have.
He already rich, who will be able to buy&bribe him? OTOH Hillary would be total sell off. I am glad she lost.

Did you know that he's rich? You saw him return? I like to think that Trump is the most dependent of the presidents. He is bankrupt and will now be earning money with the help of his capabilities as President. Prove to me that it is not.

That is the other side why he ran for the US as a president, fame and of course for the benefit of his business. He has so many interest to take care of.
But I believe that he has good plan for US that he is going to make America great again and are number 1 in all aspect business and politics.

To America has become a country No. 1 in the world we need an adequate program. Such a program at no Trump. Moreover, he does not understand at all what is foreign policy. This will lead to the opposite effect.

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We should first know who is President Trump first before accusing him. We know that President Trump is very strict or they call "stubborn" president, the way he rules the United States, the way he manages his cabinets, and the way he change the politics in United States. We should know the power or the knowledge of President Trump before suspecting him.

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Quote from: The One on January 29, 2017, 10:01:35 AM

If Trump wants to shaft the elites. Abolish the national debt and save $444bn in interest and he will be a national hero.

It is not a viable option. Only a part of this debt is owned by the foreigners (around one-third). The remainder is owned by American individuals and tax payers. If Trump defaults on the repayment, then it will be the American citizens who are going to get the most affected.

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Quote from: MadGamer on January 29, 2017, 12:38:50 PM

I'm really interested in hearing the arguments of the people that says that he is actually independent because If the elite are that powerful and he is indeed not controlled by them , I doubt they would stay and watch themselves being destroyed , since the discussion became more active these days , I added a poll too.

Please add:

- not yet known
- Zionist, or puppet there-of

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I'm really interested in hearing the arguments of the people that says that he is actually independent because If the elite are that powerful and he is indeed not controlled by them , I doubt they would stay and watch themselves being destroyed , since the discussion became more active these days , I added a poll too.

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Quote from: The One on January 29, 2017, 10:01:35 AM

If Trump wants to shaft the elites. Abolish the national debt and save $444bn in interest and he will be a national hero.

Simply change our monetary system to something other than the current fiat dollar.

These fiat USD are owned and issued by the Fed which is a private entity operated by those who seem to be Trump's (and the U.S.'s) chief adversary. This would saw the legs out from under those who are the antagonists and enemies in this thing. The new legal tender currency base could be distributed for starters to those who are not the antagonists. Specifically 'we the peeps'.

The 0.001% are fully aware of this Achilles's heal and the danger and diversify into resources, intellectual property, politicians, etc as fast as they can. There is no need to cry for them when their whole house of card collapses.

Similarly, those who get burnt by holding our USD denominated treasuries and what-not really should have been doing their due-diligence and realized the danger. Even now those who get burnt are mostly those who don't play musical-chairs well.

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