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sr. member
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October 09, 2015, 02:36:45 PM
#13
QS may have done something "bad", but it surely didn't result in a loss for anyone but himself.

And thank goodness for that. I commend the community for recognizing that his behavior was very untrustworthy, and deserving of the inability to provide escrow services.

Just because escrows have alts doesn't mean they're not trustworthy.

Simply having alt accounts isn't the issue.

Escrowing deals as one of the interested parties under the pretense of being a disinterested third party is deceptive and fraudulent. And at the least, the other party involved was swindled out of the escrow fee in each instance.

Further, QS was caught using alt accounts to shill, farm trust and otherwise abuse the trust system (e.g. using multiple accounts to neg trust people). Is this how a trustworthy person acts?

On that subject, John K's feedback says it best. He was "engaging in self-collusion by the means of using alt accounts in order present a facade of trust in his business dealings." Now, why would one want to do that? Roll Eyes

There was a reason QS was so intent on maintaining his own anonymity (a point to consider when choosing an escrow). I'll just leave this here.

Most savvy people who do business on this forum knew what Quickseller was doing. He was very clearly farming trust for months before opening up an escrow service. He was waiting for an opportunity to walk away with thousands of coins -- there is not a doubt in my mind.

All the while, he was taking the role of scam buster (often railroading people on baseless evidence) and using an army of alts to support himself in any discussion. I, for one, never mentioned a damn thing, though I suspected a lot of shady behavior for a long time -- for fear that he would target my reputation, as he has done to others. Now, the tables have turned.

Personally, I don't give a shit what happens to him. Because I know exactly what he was doing. This is not a court of law, and the point of emphasis for me is intention. Some of us know he is scum, and just don't care about these pretenses.
hero member
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October 09, 2015, 02:01:23 PM
#12
I guess the simplest answer to your question would be "It's as safe as it's ever been", and if you think it was safe at one-point then it probably remains true to this day. Whenever you are trusting an unidentified 3rd party with your money, goods, account , etc. - you are risking losing it, every single time. You have been warned, but there are some old-friendly faces around here that have already been mentioned .
sr. member
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October 09, 2015, 01:58:41 PM
#11
Use a trusted escrow.

OgNasty isn't too bad of an escrow himself. Smiley But yeah, people like SebastianJu/OgNasty who have over an year of forum trading without any real issues are preferable as an escrow.

It's definitely still safe.
legendary
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October 09, 2015, 01:13:44 PM
#10
After the Quickseller story i wonder if its still safe or should i ask is there any sense to use forum escrow or not ?
An escrow is never a 100% safe, but some trusted escrow that is on the default trust, that will not scam for low amount trades, but if you want big transaction/exchange, then it is the best to do a meetup and not an online deal..
legendary
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October 09, 2015, 01:07:17 PM
#9
I think Legendary Escrows are still safe.

You really shouldn't trust someone merely based on his forum rank - accounts get bought and sold with some frequency around here, although higher ranks less frequently so.

By the way, it's way past time for you to update yourself... I recommend Firefox. Tongue
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October 09, 2015, 01:04:47 PM
#8
I think Legendary Escrows are still safe.
qwk
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October 09, 2015, 01:02:36 PM
#7
to my knowledge no deal that was escrow'd by QS or his alts was botched and no 3rd party was disappointed with the service.

Just because escrows have alts doesn't mean they're not trustworthy.
I couldn't agree more.
QS may have done something "bad", but it surely didn't result in a loss for anyone but himself.
legendary
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October 09, 2015, 01:01:10 PM
#6
After the Quickseller story i wonder if its still safe or should i ask is there any sense to use forum escrow or not ?

No system is perfect idyu; there will always be users taking advantage of whatever they can, whenever they can.

With that in mind, of course you should still use escrow, when the situation calls for it - it does add an extra layer of security, when the system is working well (which has been the case, for the most part), and there might be ways to help avoid some of the problems when it isn't, such as, for example, opening the whole process, as much as possible, to public scrutiny.
hero member
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October 09, 2015, 12:54:59 PM
#5
I'm sure QS will hop in here whenever s/he's around and give a good explanation about why this thread is silly, but I'll go ahead and put my two-cents in as well.
Depending on what you mean by "safe", yes it is entirely safe because to my knowledge no deal that was escrow'd by QS or his alts was botched and no 3rd party was disappointed with the service.

Just because escrows have alts doesn't mean they're not trustworthy.
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October 09, 2015, 12:54:31 PM
#4
Use a trusted escrow.  Quickseller was barely a member for a year here, if that, before he started offering escrow services.  Do your homework and find a trusted escrow who has been operating for several years on these forums without any issues and you'll be fine.  You can start here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/legendary-bitcoin-escrow-service-more-than-19k-btc-transferred-alts-too-303281

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October 09, 2015, 12:52:22 PM
#3
QuickSeller recently got negative feedback, and recently defcon23 has ?? ? (1 negative feedback)
For others as far as i see all are good enough and you can deal.
Check the top5 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcointalk-escrows-trade-safely-855778 and others who are online pm them.
legendary
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October 09, 2015, 12:47:58 PM
#2
There are many reputable escrow services on the forums. Just search for them on the Services section.
full member
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October 09, 2015, 12:46:17 PM
#1
After the Quickseller story i wonder if its still safe or should i ask is there any sense to use forum escrow or not ?
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