is gambling fix your life? or wreck your life? - page 180.

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Quote from: Xialla on June 19, 2015, 03:28:31 AM

Quote from: magicmexican on June 19, 2015, 03:25:29 AM

I myself started with 5-10$ and grinded it from there, making it to 6 figures.

...and I myself saw dozens of ruined lives, families, houses and kids. you may become rich in short-term with serious portion of luck and self-control. in long-term? I really don't think so.

Do not compare apples and oranges here. How many hours of hard work to improve their game did these "people you saw" put in? I would say zero or near zero, because they were just typical dice rolling addicts.

What is the "long term"? Is 11 years long term enough?

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Gambling has neither fixed nor wrecked my life, the thing is I play in moderation and don't get greedy plus I don't play games which I am playing the house aka roulette, dice, slots etc because in the long run you will always lose. I play poker and now and again I bet football all in all I'm up and play for fun which gives me some extra pocket money.

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Quote from: clipman77 on June 19, 2015, 02:51:26 AM

I'm not very rich, so the gamble to earn.

if you don't have money to blow then why are you gambling in the first place? gambling for pennies is a waste of time, time that could be used on something more lucrative, like a job which should help you out if you're "not very rich."

A lot of examples of people starting with 50$ or so who became relatively rich. I myself started with 5-10$ and grinded it from there, making it to 6 figures.

true, sports/e sport betting is still gambling, and I wasn't taking that into consideration when I typed that; I was referring more to gambling as in the more common sorts: dice, roulette, etc; -ev gambling. your betting is pretty +ev though.

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Quote from: magicmexican on June 19, 2015, 03:25:29 AM

I myself started with 5-10$ and grinded it from there, making it to 6 figures.

...and I myself saw dozens of ruined lives, families, houses and kids. you may become rich in short-term with serious portion of luck and self-control. in long-term? I really don't think so.

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Quote from: subSTRATA on June 19, 2015, 02:56:36 AM

Quote from: clipman77 on June 19, 2015, 02:51:26 AM

I'm not very rich, so the gamble to earn.

if you don't have money to blow then why are you gambling in the first place? gambling for pennies is a waste of time, time that could be used on something more lucrative, like a job which should help you out if you're "not very rich."

A lot of examples of people starting with 50$ or so who became relatively rich. I myself started with 5-10$ and grinded it from there, making it to 6 figures.

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Quote from: clipman77 on June 19, 2015, 02:51:26 AM

I'm not very rich, so the gamble to earn.

If you are not very rich why the hell would you gamble? It won't help you earn instead will make you total broke. Don't gamble with the money you can't afford to lose. Else you would have to face the disaster.

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Quote from: scat on June 16, 2015, 03:34:46 PM

i found my self broke because gambling
i found my life in a mess because gambling

but because gambling too suddenly rich, suddenly be a billionaire
because gambling too you know what it is the real have fun

how about you?

is gambling fix your life? or wreck your life?

I could manage my gambling addiction very well, eventhough I am not high roller. I didn't even take a penny from my salary to gamble, yeah I mean online gambling , I don't gamble in my real life. I am using free money I got from here or other giveaways. So if I made profit, it means 100 profit for me, if I lost, I lost nothing.

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Quote from: clipman77 on June 19, 2015, 02:51:26 AM

I'm not very rich, so the gamble to earn.

if you don't have money to blow then why are you gambling in the first place? gambling for pennies is a waste of time, time that could be used on something more lucrative, like a job which should help you out if you're "not very rich."

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Quote from: clipman77 on June 19, 2015, 02:51:26 AM

I'm not very rich, so the gamble to earn.

or to be even more poor and addicted?.) sorry, but way to be rich is little bit different then gambling..

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I'm not very rich, so the gamble to earn.

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comparison of gambling more people who destroyed his life because of gambling, rather than the rich because of gambling.
fortunately I was able to control myself from gambling

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Gambling can never fix your life. Instead it will wreak and leave you devastate.

Someday you might win big but in the long run you will end up broke and lose all your money.

Remember the house edge always win no matter what.

If you are the owner of a casino then thats a different story btw.

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Dude I have been to Greece. All they do every day is party 80% of the time and work is minimal lol. Shops close at 5 pm and there is a lunch break. If you think they are 'broke' you are way wrong. The idiots in Europe should stop giving loans to lazy bums.

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Gambling is a loss for the player because the house (casino) has the edge all the time.
Beginner's luck is true but you have to know when it is time to take your winnings and leave.

Gambling makes alot of people poor and the only winners are the casinos unfortunately or they wouldn't exist in the first place.

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I've been gambling off and on for over 17 years and I can say that I still enjoy it so it definitely has not wrecked my life. For me, it's good for entertainment but of course it's always nicer to win. I would just recommend that anyone interested should just be careful and only play with what they can afford to lose. From there, it's just an educational process of trying out various strategies.

But I have to say about laws against gambling... they are just stupid. Gambling was outlawed in the days when gun slingers were killing each other for cheating. Those days are long gone and the only protection needed for gamblers is regulation to enforce provably fair games. Gambling should not be illegal anywhere at all.

moderation is key I guess, but many people have issues with self-control and can never stop; just a passing thought but maybe gambling is illegal in places and has restrictions in places it isnt so that all the money doesnt end up in the hands of the casinos, if that were to happen the economy would halt as the people would have no money to spend. just a thought though.

I disagree that the reason for restricting gambling is the fear of casinos. I really think that most laws that forbid gambling are relics of the 19th century. Regardless of where the laws come from or why the laws exist, it is my simple opinion that such laws are against the freedom of humanity. Laws that oppress shouldn't be laws in the first place. But to your concern of Casinos becoming too powerful, that is indeed an important concern and that's why it should be regulated. I'm also not against certain areas making their own laws. For example, religious states should be able to govern how they please. I wouldn't want to live in a religious state but even in the US it seems unavoidable despite so called "separation of church and state".

valid point as well; but my point wasnt about casinos becoming too powerful, my point was going for more of how many people might become completely broke as a result of poor decisions involving gambling, and as a result the economy of free market countries would be crippled without the people having spending power.

I can see what you are saying but you don't need a casino for that. Just look at Greece. Their government took economic gambles and now millions are completely broke and living under "austerity" measures and all they gambled on was economic policies. So yes, gambling does destroy lives. Just not always we think it does.

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Gambling can never affect my life, as i am not addicted to gamble, sure i love the rush it brings while the dice is rolling,roulette spinning.., but i also know what i can and can not afford to loose.
Learned my lession about 6 years ago, when i lost ~2000EUR on an online roulette, and the funny part is that even with that large loss i was overall still in large profit, but since i
was spending far more than i should of (not realizing i will loose whole pot), i ended up short and had to take a loan to get back up.

From that day on, i know my limits, and while ill never stop gambling, i know i wont be risking more than i can afford. I would advise the same to everyone.
It makes no sense to give up the rush, unless you really have an addiction, it's just important to follow your rules each time you play.

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Quote from: grendel25 on June 18, 2015, 08:17:18 PM

Quote from: subSTRATA on June 18, 2015, 12:16:09 AM

Quote from: grendel25 on June 18, 2015, 12:03:35 AM

I've been gambling off and on for over 17 years and I can say that I still enjoy it so it definitely has not wrecked my life. For me, it's good for entertainment but of course it's always nicer to win. I would just recommend that anyone interested should just be careful and only play with what they can afford to lose. From there, it's just an educational process of trying out various strategies.

But I have to say about laws against gambling... they are just stupid. Gambling was outlawed in the days when gun slingers were killing each other for cheating. Those days are long gone and the only protection needed for gamblers is regulation to enforce provably fair games. Gambling should not be illegal anywhere at all.

moderation is key I guess, but many people have issues with self-control and can never stop; just a passing thought but maybe gambling is illegal in places and has restrictions in places it isnt so that all the money doesnt end up in the hands of the casinos, if that were to happen the economy would halt as the people would have no money to spend. just a thought though.

I disagree that the reason for restricting gambling is the fear of casinos. I really think that most laws that forbid gambling are relics of the 19th century. Regardless of where the laws come from or why the laws exist, it is my simple opinion that such laws are against the freedom of humanity. Laws that oppress shouldn't be laws in the first place. But to your concern of Casinos becoming too powerful, that is indeed an important concern and that's why it should be regulated. I'm also not against certain areas making their own laws. For example, religious states should be able to govern how they please. I wouldn't want to live in a religious state but even in the US it seems unavoidable despite so called "separation of church and state".

valid point as well; but my point wasnt about casinos becoming too powerful, my point was going for more of how many people might become completely broke as a result of poor decisions involving gambling, and as a result the economy of free market countries would be crippled without the people having spending power.

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Quote from: subSTRATA on June 18, 2015, 12:16:09 AM

Quote from: grendel25 on June 18, 2015, 12:03:35 AM

I've been gambling off and on for over 17 years and I can say that I still enjoy it so it definitely has not wrecked my life. For me, it's good for entertainment but of course it's always nicer to win. I would just recommend that anyone interested should just be careful and only play with what they can afford to lose. From there, it's just an educational process of trying out various strategies.

But I have to say about laws against gambling... they are just stupid. Gambling was outlawed in the days when gun slingers were killing each other for cheating. Those days are long gone and the only protection needed for gamblers is regulation to enforce provably fair games. Gambling should not be illegal anywhere at all.

moderation is key I guess, but many people have issues with self-control and can never stop; just a passing thought but maybe gambling is illegal in places and has restrictions in places it isnt so that all the money doesnt end up in the hands of the casinos, if that were to happen the economy would halt as the people would have no money to spend. just a thought though.

I disagree that the reason for restricting gambling is the fear of casinos. I really think that most laws that forbid gambling are relics of the 19th century. Regardless of where the laws come from or why the laws exist, it is my simple opinion that such laws are against the freedom of humanity. Laws that oppress shouldn't be laws in the first place. But to your concern of Casinos becoming too powerful, that is indeed an important concern and that's why it should be regulated. I'm also not against certain areas making their own laws. For example, religious states should be able to govern how they please. I wouldn't want to live in a religious state but even in the US it seems unavoidable despite so called "separation of church and state".

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Quote from: scat on June 16, 2015, 03:34:46 PM

i found my self broke because gambling
i found my life in a mess because gambling

but because gambling too suddenly rich, suddenly be a billionaire
because gambling too you know what it is the real have fun

how about you?

is gambling fix your life? or wreck your life?

i think gambling addiction and especially online will wreck your life if you are addicted to it. but gamblings like poker for example can make you good profit if you are good at it and have enough experience and mentality to win.
although you can make profit from gambling but i don't think you can become a billionaire from gambling .

p.s. you should make a poll.

So what the difference between a addicted gambler with a experienced gambler? Both of them playing the gambling for long time, and imo they are same in all of the way. If someone won in gambling, so they will gamble again until be addicted. If they always do that everytime, they will be an experienced. The relations of winning, addicted, and experience.

I would think an addicted gambler will do anything to keep going, win or lose, and an experienced gambler, say, one who gambles for at least a substantial portion of their income, knows when they can keep going, and knows when they should stop. everything said on the topic is redundant, but it is so because these points are all valid, more or less.

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Quote from: jayce on June 18, 2015, 09:05:58 AM

So what can addicted gambler do to get into experienced gambler phase since they always play it and can't learned from bad experience in gambling? It's difference if we play it just for fun, with little cash and low risky.

how to be an experienced gambler its not our discussion topic here, but i can give my opinion about that.
the real experienced gambler will never looks losing they can take advantage from gambling, even they can make gambling for scratch a living.
actually an "experienced gambler" can't be measured, only people around who can assess.
just small tips, dont play it for fun because that is where addiction come from.

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